Judge says jail is on the menu next time....

“I’ll find you in criminal contempt for the tenth time,” Merchan said in a stark tone. “It appears that the $1,000 fines are not serving as a deterrent. Therefore, going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sanction. Mr. Trump, it’s important to understand the last thing I want to do is put you in jail. You are the former president of the United States, and possibly the next one as well.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...warning-jail-is-next

Maybe he could be thrown in jail and forgotten about and left to rot like that black guy in Atlanta not too long ago.

I hold him in utter contempt 24/7 and always will. He is a traitor to the Constitution.

The Orange Jesus wants to be thrown in jail. He wants to be a martyr to his confused faithful. Either that or he believes that like Peter, God will send an angel to make his chains fall away and open the jail doors so he can walk out a free man. While I think Trump is a nut, I actually think his sycophants are the truly nutty ones.

He is doing it on purpose.

He is losing and wants to make himself a martyr!

The MAGA Zombies will go berserk!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
He is doing it on purpose.

He is losing and wants to make himself a martyr!

The MAGA Zombies will go berserk!

Thing is he isnt losing. Most polls show him ahead of Biden. That said, the matryr factor is real.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
He is doing it on purpose.

He is losing and wants to make himself a martyr!

The MAGA Zombies will go berserk!

Thing is he isnt losing. Most polls show him ahead of Biden. That said, the matryr factor is real.

I did not mean the election, which is a sham anyway!

In court he is losing.

Funny, isn’t it? His knuckle dragging slack mouthed minions sure knew how to chant “Lock her up!” once upon a time…

To the Dems credit, at least they’ve had a bit more class than that. I’m surprised there aren’t mobs shouting that exact phrase outside the courthouse, only this time with the real possibility of having that request fulfilled.

No other defendant on bond w multiple violations of the court’s order would have had bond revoked on top of contempt sanctions to jail.

President Trump’s treatment is way beyond what you am I would receive.

We would be living in a jail cell.

I live for the apologist to tell us President Trump is not receiving due process process when they say he is being treated unfairly.

Thst is a lie.

Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

You are so right. He should be allowed to whore-monger, pay hush money to keep it a secret and call it a business expense, and violate any court order he pleases.

He is the cult leader.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

. . . you reap what you sow. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction. Trump getting his comeuppance comes straight from the scriptures.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Sometimes I wonder if you identify as one of the creatures you treat!

The way you think about the MAGA ARSEHOLE!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Sometimes I wonder if you identify as one of the creatures you treat!

The way you think about the MAGA ARSEHOLE!

It's his policies don'tchya know. His character or lack thereof means nothing don'tchya see! Thing is that at or above a certain wealth status you'll probably do as well financially under either trump or Biden. I wonder what trump would have to do or be in order to get Folks like Lane to kick him to the curb.

The Mikes may not like what Trump does (and I am not saying I do either)...but y'all both know (or should ) that a lasting conviction here is unlikely because there really is no case.

Well, that is not legal analysis. At best, it is a conclusionary statement by a man who decided long ago without reading a brief what the what is. The Appellate Courts will resolve any issues of law that maybe in play.

The Jury’s factual determinations will not be reviewed.

You are going to have a hard time if President Trump is convicted and the convicted is upheld.

He may be acquitted.

That does not change or diminish his criminal contempt. That is a separate issue. He needs his bond revoked, and jailed on contempt. Like you would have long been.

The court does not make orders as suggestions.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

The US justice system is by no means perfect, however, the main basic principles of a person is innocent until proven guilty, everyone is entitled to their day in court, a jury of your peers, makes that it get the verdict correct most of the time. Not always but most of the time. In this case with a very high-profile case like Trump if the jury finds him guilty you can pretty much bet there was a lot of evidence to prove it. It should not be this way but I have seen that it takes more and better proof to convict a high-profile person than a normal person. I will respect the jury's decision if they find him guilty or innocent I am ok either way because the jury had all the evidence, and I did not.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
The US justice system is by no means perfect, however, the main basic principles of a person is innocent until proven guilty, everyone is entitled to their day in court, a jury of your peers, makes that it get the verdict correct most of the time. Not always but most of the time. In this case with a very high-profile case like Trump if the jury finds him guilty you can pretty much bet there was a lot of evidence to prove it. It should not be this way but I have seen that it takes more and better proof to convict a high-profile person than a normal person. I will respect the jury's decision if they find him guilty or innocent I am ok either way because the jury had all the evidence, and I did not.

I wish everyone saw it the same way and was prepared to accept the verdict whether acquitted or convicted but I can 100% assure you that if he is convicted the whining and wailing will reach ear popping levels.

Here, here.

I will just add that the contempt is separate from the underlying charges. The judge gets to decide that.

While I may in my nonlawyer self feel the case should not have been brought, it was.

And absolutely if anyone other than a politician behaved as Trump has been doing, we would be “enjoying” the state provided 3 hots and a cot.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

Now you tell me! My taxes the last 10 years are shot.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I may in my nonlawyer self feel the case should not have been brought, it was.

And absolutely if anyone other than a politician behaved as Trump has been doing, we would be “enjoying” the state provided 3 hots and a cot.

It's always entertaining to watch someone whom tries to occupy both sides of a fence.

Any other politician would have never been given the gag order in the first place. The Judges daughter, Cohen and everyone else involved can go out and meme, profit or comment on the trail happenings, but the man that is being distracted from running for the most powerful position on the planet is silenced. Sound about right?

Welcome to Venezuela politics comrade.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I may in my nonlawyer self feel the case should not have been brought, it was.

And absolutely if anyone other than a politician behaved as Trump has been doing, we would be “enjoying” the state provided 3 hots and a cot.

It's always entertaining to watch someone whom tries to occupy both sides of a fence.

Any other politician would have never been given the gag order in the first place. The Judges daughter, Cohen and everyone else involved can go out and meme, profit or comment on the trail happenings, but the man that is being distracted from running for the most powerful position on the planet is silenced. Sound about right?

Welcome to Venezuela politics comrade.

It's even more entertaining to watch a Trumpie mind at work.

Any other politician wouldn't have required a gag order. What kind of person incites threats against a judge's daughter, for God's sake? Have you no sense of decency either to approve of such conduct?

I guess any defendant should demand the case be dismissed because he wants to run for office. Why do you guys think Trump is entitled to special treatment? Because he's your Messiah?

I'd just as soon see Trump free to campaign and shoot his mouth off. The more he talks, the more likely the dullards in our population will see him for what he is.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

Now you tell me! My taxes the last 10 years are shot.

I just would not do it with the intent bring to directly contribute to your campaign for office. That is what makes it a campaign contribution. The intent to directly benefit. That part of the law is easy. The hard part is proving the intent. Hence, why they called all the other people including Hope Hicks. To show a motive or plan by President Trump and Cohen.

Will they convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt? I do not know.

I think the whole trial is just a waste of time. It really does not matter if Trump is convicted or not it really does not make any difference. The election will go on and one of the two will win and one will lose. Trump is really in a no lose position, if he is convicted all the trump supporters will rally behind him and claim it's all a witch hunt and he was unfairly convicted and will still vote for him. In fact he may even get a few more sympathy votes. If he is not convicted then all the trump supporters will claim vindication and rally for him.

The one thing that Trump is very good at is paying victim and getting people to believe him and support him. It reminds me of the old P.T. Barnum saying that went something like "there is no such thing as bad publicity"

I believe that no matter who wins the election (I am not a fan of either Biden or Trump) that we has a country and democracy will be strong enough to last another 4 years until we get a chance to find someone else. I just hope that in 4 years we have a better choice than we do now.

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The court does not make orders as suggestions.

It's all they've done so far.........

"The more he talks, the more likely the dullards in our population will see him for what he is."

And you are wrong about that........

Still trying to see the crime. She committed the crime if there was one.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

Anytime you can beat the government of taking your money, you should!

Why do you think there are so many "tax exempt" organizations in America?

Really should not have to explain this to another lawyer. In NY, falsifying business records is a crime. Recording a hush money payment as a legal fee is falsifying a business record. When you do the foregoing with an intent to commit another crime (in this case the payoff is alleged to constitute an illegal contribution to Trump’s campaign in violation of federal and state election law and/or alleged to violate New York tax law by inflating and falsely characterizing the reimbursement to Cohen) it is a felony. No one is arguing or alleging the paying off your porn star adultery partner is a crime . . . but covering it up by falsifying business records is. Going to have to dig deeper than a Fox News episode if you want to understand what is going on. Might even try reading the indictment and the relevant provisions of the NY penal code. Novel idea.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

Anytime you can beat the government of taking your money, you should!

Why do you think there are so many "tax exempt" organizations in America?

We tend to reward benevolence and charitable efforts.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Baloney! The fact that he is even there on these idiotic charges with this vague gag order in place is proof enough.

Pretty sure it’s illegal to pay a hooker and call it a tax deductible business expense…. Just saying.

Now you tell me! My taxes the last 10 years are shot.

I just would not do it with the intent bring to directly contribute to your campaign for office. That is what makes it a campaign contribution. The intent to directly benefit. That part of the law is easy. The hard part is proving the intent. Hence, why they called all the other people including Hope Hicks. To show a motive or plan by President Trump and Cohen.

Will they convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt? I do not know.

I trade commodities, I couldnt get elected dogcatcher, I guess my hooker expenses are safe.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I may in my nonlawyer self feel the case should not have been brought, it was.

And absolutely if anyone other than a politician behaved as Trump has been doing, we would be “enjoying” the state provided 3 hots and a cot.

It's always entertaining to watch someone whom tries to occupy both sides of a fence.

Any other politician would have never been given the gag order in the first place. The Judges daughter, Cohen and everyone else involved can go out and meme, profit or comment on the trail happenings, but the man that is being distracted from running for the most powerful position on the planet is silenced. Sound about right?

Welcome to Venezuela politics comrade.

If you get yourself into a position where you are on trial, and you disregard the judge's dictates, you get big trouble. Even if you are innocent of the charges.

The system's way of handling it is to get through the trial and then go after the judge in court/impeachment.

If folks don't want this kind of trial, then don't elect AG's like Bragg.

Personally, from what I read, Daniel's conduct on the stand and the judge's conduct just handed Trump a walk. It may have to go through appellate court to get there, but geez, this trial is sounding bad.

The prosecution's witnesses are saying Trump had nothing to do with it, and that he didn't do it.

Daniel's testimony sounds full of inconsistencies.

MJines,

Sorry, I don't buy it. No crime.

Second, I've told judges, respectfully that I disagreed with their rulings and we were going to have to take it upstairs.

And some of those appellate courts have told you, you just cost your client a whole bunch of post judgment interest.

I had a case that would have settled for a lot less. By the time, the KY Supreme Court got it and upheld it. The post judgement interest brought the thing into the stratosphere.

Attorney Fees were capped by statute too.

President Trump appealed the gag order. He lost. The law in NY on contempt is clear in this matter. 1k fines or 30 days per violation.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The Mikes may not like what Trump does (and I am not saying I do either)...but y'all both know (or should ) that a lasting conviction here is unlikely because there really is no case.

On the contrary, it is an open and shut case. He may walk it if one trumptard made it onto the jury but there is no doubt that he is guilty of what is alleged in the criminal indictment.

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Originally posted by lavaca:

Sorry, I don't buy it. No crime.

. . . that's why we have trials.

Trump is contempt personified. He doesn’t respect the justice system, he doesn’t respect the Constitution, he doesn’t respect his marriage vows, he doesn’t even respect the people who were stupid enough to vote for him.

In his own words, “I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue, and I wouldn’t lose any voters! It’s, like, incredible!”

Yes, Donald. It is truly incredible.

We don't know if there was a crime. That question is to be answered by the jury. They will get all the evidence and testimony, so they are the only ones qualified to render a verdict. Let wait until they decide before we praise or hang Trump.