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Republicans have made myriad attacks on drag queens as being some amorphous threat to the innocence of the Nation's children, while normal people have said it just ain't so.

Let's test the proposition.

I will post links to church leaders arrested for or convicted of child sexual offenses and I invite our Republican friends to do the same for drag queens.

I will, to be fair, limit my attention to arrests or convictions from this year only, while giving the Republicans all of recorded human history to draw from.


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A former Seaford children's pastor has been arrested on 10 felony charges after admitting to possessing and viewing child sexual abuse material, the Delaware Department of Justice said Friday.

James Dryden, 74, was charged last week following an investigation by the state's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, which includes Delaware State Police and the state justice department. The investigation began in July 2022 after the task force received cyber tips that Dryden's IP address had accessed the material, court documents say.


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The assistant director of Chaparral Baptist Assembly Camp in Iowa Park has been jailed on charges of Indecency with a Child through Sexual Contact.

Nathan Lee McDonald was arrested Wednesday by Wichita County Sheriff’s deputies.


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JASPER COUNTY, Mo. — A Jasper County jury took just four hours to convict a former youth group leader of a sex crime.

After a three-day trial, 29-year-old John Estes was found guilty of first-degree statutory rape of a child under the age of 14.


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MOORE, Okla. (KFOR) — A Moore man is being accused of forcing a child to commit lewd acts.

Moore Police arrested 69-year-old Walter Friesner Junior on Tuesday at Moore First United Methodist Church where he worked as the kitchen manager.


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Nearly 1,700 priests and other clergy members that the Roman Catholic Church considers credibly accused of child sexual abuse are living under the radar with little to no oversight from religious authorities or law enforcement, decades after the first wave of the church abuse scandal roiled U.S. dioceses, an Associated Press investigation has found. Link


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MORENO VALLEY, CA — A 78-year-old Riverside County pastor remained jailed Tuesday in lieu of $2 million bail after being charged with felony sex offenses against a child.

David Lee Helbling of Moreno Valley was being held at Banning's Larry D. Smith Correctional Facility on suspicion of one count each of oral copulation/sexual penetration with a child under 10; lewd acts with force on a child under 14; committing three or more lewd acts with a child under 14; and kidnapping a child under 14. He is also charged with a sentencing enhancement of kidnapping in the course of a crime, court records show.


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A former Orange County youth pastor who worked at a popular megachurch was charged with allegedly molesting four teenage boys.

Ruven Meulenberg, 39, mentored junior-high-aged children at Saddleback Church, a popular evangelical Christian megachurch in Lake Forest. Meulenberg and his twin brother were also featured on a YouTube channel dedicated to gaming and music production.


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CITRUS HEIGHTS – A California man already under arrest for his actions during the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol has also now been indicted on child porn charges.

The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of California announced on Tuesday that a federal grand jury had indicted 36-year-old Kyle Travis Colton on a charge of receiving child pornography.


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The problem with your hypothesis is that while religious leadership makes the news and thus is published, whether or not they are a drag queen is likely not published.

Heck I’ve heard of a few religious leader types who led a double life and were drag queens.


Heck they usually don’t even state if an offense is against boys, girls, or both when they talk predation against kids.
 
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The problem with your hypothesis is that while religious leadership makes the news and thus is published, whether or not they are a drag queen is likely not published.

Heck I’ve heard of a few religious leader types who led a double life and were drag queens.


Heck they usually don’t even state if an offense is against boys, girls, or both when they talk predation against kids.


Yeah, that's the problem, not that churches are full of pedophiles...


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Jeff, you are a bitter lunatic.

I would much rather my children where raised with the teaching of the church than the teachings of drag queens.
 
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Jeff, you are a bitter lunatic.

I would much rather my children where raised with the teaching of the church than the teachings of drag queens.


If I had kids I'd prefer they weren't raped, who read a book to them wouldn't worry me.


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Jeff, you are a bitter lunatic.

I would much rather my children where raised with the teaching of the church than the teachings of drag queens.


If I had kids I'd prefer they weren't raped, who read a book to them wouldn't worry me.


You haven't reproduced?

Great news!!!!!!


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A stupid question Jeff, I suppose your handlers could come up with something better for you this morning.

There's lots of threats out there, the primary hazard being inattentive parents. Who in the world leaves their kids with unknown, un vetted unsupervised strangers? I don't. Parents with kids in school should know the teachers, know the administrators, know the classmates. Parents with kids in church should be with their kids in church. You gotta be a particular idiot to drop your kids off for Drag Queen Story Hour at the local library. Dude wants to slather on a ton of makeup, shove his fat rolls in a tight dress, put on a wig and read to kids at the library?!?!?!?!?! Right, I see your perspective, he ain't mentally ill.

If parents actually cared and paid attention to what their kids are up to your stupid question wouldn't come up.
 
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A stupid question Jeff, I suppose your handlers could come up with something better for you this morning.

There's lots of threats out there, the primary hazard being inattentive parents. Who in the world leaves their kids with unknown, un vetted unsupervised strangers? I don't. Parents with kids in school should know the teachers, know the administrators, know the classmates. Parents with kids in church should be with their kids in church. You gotta be a particular idiot to drop your kids off for Drag Queen Story Hour at the local library. Dude wants to slather on a ton of makeup, shove his fat rolls in a tight dress, put on a wig and read to kids at the library?!?!?!?!?! Right, I see your perspective, he ain't mentally ill.

If parents actually cared and paid attention to what their kids are up to your stupid question wouldn't come up.


When a child is molested it is the fault of the molester.


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Jeff, you are a bitter lunatic.

I would much rather my children where raised with the teaching of the church than the teachings of drag queens.


If I had kids I'd prefer they weren't raped, who read a book to them wouldn't worry me.


I think the premise is a fallacy. Firstly because i have no idea of the ratio of church leaders, or even what constitutes a church leader, to drag queens is. Also Im unsure if such terms identifying persons as drag queens are often used in describing the person.
And I think the idea of direct offence might not encompass all harm done. Transitioning pre pubescent children or indeed bringing a child up as an alternative sex might well be doing harm as well.
 
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A stupid question Jeff, I suppose your handlers could come up with something better for you this morning.

There's lots of threats out there, the primary hazard being inattentive parents. Who in the world leaves their kids with unknown, un vetted unsupervised strangers? I don't. Parents with kids in school should know the teachers, know the administrators, know the classmates. Parents with kids in church should be with their kids in church. You gotta be a particular idiot to drop your kids off for Drag Queen Story Hour at the local library. Dude wants to slather on a ton of makeup, shove his fat rolls in a tight dress, put on a wig and read to kids at the library?!?!?!?!?! Right, I see your perspective, he ain't mentally ill.

If parents actually cared and paid attention to what their kids are up to your stupid question wouldn't come up.


When a child is molested it is the fault of the molester.


Spoken like a person that has no understanding of being a parent.

A molester would be punished by me. I'd not be calling the police or the principal, Id be handling that judgement.

Although I am wary and vigilant, I'm not overly worried because I am wary and vigilant in addition to being attentive and well known in my small town. I'm no bully but everyone knows who Scott Kings daughter is and everyone knows to be nice to her. That's called good parenting.

What's wrong with this country and what you said is the compunction to cede authority and responsibility. "It's their fault not mine!" I take full responsibility for my child, the good and bad, pros and cons. It's up to me and not her teacher to make sure she has a good education, it's up to me and not the police to make sure she's safe.

Hell no I wouldn't leave her alone with a Man of the Cloth of any color nor would I drop her off with a Drag Queen.
 
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Transgenders ain't shit. I'm not sure the church is really the big player, either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...rica_sex_abuse_cases

You know reported cases are really a small part of church or scouts or any youth group shit.
 
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A stupid question Jeff, I suppose your handlers could come up with something better for you this morning.

There's lots of threats out there, the primary hazard being inattentive parents. Who in the world leaves their kids with unknown, un vetted unsupervised strangers? I don't. Parents with kids in school should know the teachers, know the administrators, know the classmates. Parents with kids in church should be with their kids in church. You gotta be a particular idiot to drop your kids off for Drag Queen Story Hour at the local library. Dude wants to slather on a ton of makeup, shove his fat rolls in a tight dress, put on a wig and read to kids at the library?!?!?!?!?! Right, I see your perspective, he ain't mentally ill.

If parents actually cared and paid attention to what their kids are up to your stupid question wouldn't come up.


When a child is molested it is the fault of the molester.


Spoken like a person that has no understanding of being a parent.

A molester would be punished by me. I'd not be calling the police or the principal, Id be handling that judgement.

Although I am wary and vigilant, I'm not overly worried because I am wary and vigilant in addition to being attentive and well known in my small town. I'm no bully but everyone knows who Scott Kings daughter is and everyone knows to be nice to her. That's called good parenting.

What's wrong with this country and what you said is the compunction to cede authority and responsibility. "It's their fault not mine!" I take full responsibility for my child, the good and bad, pros and cons. It's up to me and not her teacher to make sure she has a good education, it's up to me and not the police to make sure she's safe.

Hell no I wouldn't leave her alone with a Man of the Cloth of any color nor would I drop her off with a Drag Queen.


Well written! An American dad!

And I will mention again, its a good thing that old goofy Jeff hasn't reproduced!
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Transgenders ain't shit. I'm not sure the church is really the big player, either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...rica_sex_abuse_cases

You know reported cases are really a small part of church or scouts or any youth group shit.


This topic is stomach churning and I'm half sorry I participated.

My point remains and I'm pretty sure I'm right, parents engaged, involved, participating and supervising can prevent this shit in any venue. And I think if parents don't agree they're already defeated.
 
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Transgenders ain't shit. I'm not sure the church is really the big player, either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...rica_sex_abuse_cases

You know reported cases are really a small part of church or scouts or any youth group shit.


Drag queens aren't "transgenders", they just get off on dressing in women's clothes, like J. Edgar Hoover.


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Neither, it's the people who push this kind of crap.


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Drag queens aren't "transgenders", they just get off on dressing in women's clothes, like J. Edgar Hoover.


That makes them 'safer'? Really?


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Drag queens aren't "transgenders", they just get off on dressing in women's clothes, like J. Edgar Hoover.


That makes them 'safer'? Really?


I didn't say that, but they are damned sure "safer" than Christian church "leaders", who are caught diddling young members of their congregations on a daily basis, unlike drag queens, who generally harm nobody but close-minded busybodies with their nose in everybody else's business.

How am I harmed by what somebody chooses to wear? If a woman wears traditionally men's clothing it draws little notice.


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Still waiting for one of these MAGAts to mention make-up...


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There are very bad people in all walks of life. A sad fact.


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Former Jehovah's Witness elder sentenced to 20 years for sexually assaulting two children


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Bad people everywhere but I can promise you that I would send my child to Sunday School before sending them to Tranny School.

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UNION PARISH, La. (KTVE/KARD) — A Farmerville man has been arrested after being accused of initiating inappropriate acts with children at a Union Parish church. The charges stem from a complaint UPSO Criminal Investigations Division investigators received from the victim’s parents.

The suspect was identified as 45-year-old Daniel Steven Parker of Farmerville, who is the husband of an area church youth minister. Parker allegedly inappropriately touched a juvenile church member.


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Bad people everywhere but I can promise you that I would send my child to Sunday School before sending them to Tranny School.

Can not believe this is a site for shooters and hunters.


Hard to imagine isn't it???


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A husband and wife who coached the Damascus Christian School girls basketball team for years have been charged with repeated sexual abuse of a student, court records show.

David Wakefield, 60, and Rachel Wakefield, 54, of Mulino, were in custody Wednesday afternoon at the Clackamas County Jail on accusations of sexually abusing a girl between January 2013 and June 2017.

An indictment charges David Wakefield with 20 counts of second-degree sexual abuse. Rachel Wakefield faces 10 counts of the same charge.


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Fags in rags are merely one element of a much larger cultural problem so on the whole the move toward secularism and moral relativism is much worse. Not to say there has not been a long term problem in some parts of Christianity with child abuse but modern liberalism goes to the core of the society in its attempt to destroy it.
 
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A Catholic priest and a drag queen walk into a bar..... there has to be a joke in there somewhere. Frankly I don't want my kids around either one. Just be a good human, it is not that hard.
 
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A Catholic priest and a drag queen walk into a bar..... there has to be a joke in there somewhere. Frankly I don't want my kids around either one. Just be a good human, it is not that hard.


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I have always found the spectacle of drag queen cringeworthy, just as the recent commercials showing mixed race couples or/and gay or lesbian couples. But, unlike the radical right, I don't see a threat, just angst of a different sort.


I always thought of kids as blank slates. They are taught to love, read, respect, care, etc. just as they can be taught to hate and loathe.

Drag queens are not pedophiles or groomers of hate and loathing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...-of-drag-performance

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The whole Drag Queen issue is just Republican culture war bullshit. Drag has been a part of entertainment without hurting anybody for a very long time, Some Like It Hot didn't cause child molestation, nor did Flip Wilson's Geraldine or Robin Williams' Mrs. Doubtfire.

Bunch of fucking cowards attacking those they figure won't hit back.


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Drag queens are by definition a sexual expression performance.

That’s inappropriate behavior for around kids.

Just like a religious figure using his office for sexual gain.

I do agree that using a position of trust to gain access to sexual victims is a major crime, and should be treated so.

But in today’s “secular” state, the drag queens are given a public forum, often schools and public libraries for this grooming behavior (seeing it normalized is grooming)…

Religious events do not presently get the imprimatur of the state.

That’s a significant difference.

If a parent elects to take a kid to a private business hosting a drag queen story hour, while I question the reasoning of it, I don’t find it illegal.

I would not feel that the drag queen should be tried for child abuse unless they sexually assaulted a child.

With the religious type, I have an expectation that they are not there for a sexual purpose and if they assault a person under their care, that, to me, is a capital crime.
 
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No more of a sexual expression than a men wearing jeans or a woman wearing a dress or a bra.

Should people not wear bras around children.

Grooming is not teaching children that a class of people you do not like are of value on society.
 
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