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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Has Canada really ever been our friend? Seem to remember them harboring draft-dodgers during Vietnam.

Well, let's see, when Canadians opened their homes to American travelers on 9/11, were they being your friend? When Canadian welcomes American tourists, hunters, and fishermen into the country, are they being your friend? When Canadians provide the US with raw materials, when they could as easily sell them elsewhere, are they being your friends? When Canadians send aid and support, along with fire fighters and medical teams to disaster areas in the US, are they being your friends? When Canadians travel to participate in shooting competitions across the country, and share beer and meals with you, are they being your friends? When you openly advocate for and support an economic attack on our country, your president insults our country and its people and interferes in our domestic affairs, and we feel more sadness than anger, are we still your friends?
Donald Trump. Not a conservative, not a Christian, not trustworthy, and certainly, not a friend. Regards, Bill

I have many “Canadian” friends. But Canada the country…not so much. And they kept their Castro-family communist PM in office long enough that I doubt that country will ever be a good friend again. Anyone with Trudeau would do well to remain mum on leadership.

Well, YOUR goddam president is doing all he can to keep him in power. Thanks a lot. Bill.

Canada IS a good friend.

However, Canada's first duty is to Canada.

Just like the US's first duty is to the US.

I think Trump is using a mack truck for something that you could have done with simple logical persuasion. It does neither nation any good to get in a tariff war, but Trump's view of the Canadian abuses (and there are some) is such that he wants to use blunt force to get his way.

That's not good for long term relations. He might get his way in the short term, but it will be something that is waiting to get back at us for down the road.

I kind of see Trump's logic though- if he tries to do it the nice way, odds are in 4 years it all gets reset to the status quo and nothing changes long term.

In a way though, he did Canada a favour (and yes, I used your spelling deliberately) by getting Canadians to be more close. I haven't heard any sniping between the rural provinces and the Quebec types in some time.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Canada IS a good friend.

However, Canada's first duty is to Canada.

Just like the US's first duty is to the US.

I think Trump is using a mack truck for something that you could have done with simple logical persuasion. It does neither nation any good to get in a tariff war, but Trump's view of the Canadian abuses (and there are some) is such that he wants to use blunt force to get his way.

That's not good for long term relations. He might get his way in the short term, but it will be something that is waiting to get back at us for down the road.

I kind of see Trump's logic though- if he tries to do it the nice way, odds are in 4 years it all gets reset to the status quo and nothing changes long term.

In a way though, he did Canada a favour (and yes, I used your spelling deliberately) by getting Canadians to be more close. I haven't heard any sniping between the rural provinces and the Quebec types in some time.

You are the most fence-straddling poster I have ever seen

Canada's most important task was to try and get out of debt. That will likely have to be put on hold while capital investments in infrastructure are made to reduce dependence on the US as a trading partner. We can only hope we are being led by a conservative government.
I have two brothers, a daughter, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, and cousins in various states. My brothers, daughter and I are dual citizens. My daughter and I are US Army vets. We are all a little torn up over this bullshit.
Donald Trump's actions will literally tear families apart. Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Canada's most important task was to try and get out of debt. That will likely have to be put on hold while capital investments in infrastructure are made to reduce dependence on the US as a trading partner. We can only hope we are being led by a conservative government.
I have two brothers, a daughter, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, and cousins in various states. My brothers, daughter and I are dual citizens. My daughter and I are US Army vets. We are all a little torn up over this bullshit.
Donald Trump's actions will literally tear families apart. Bill

And, I bet all of them voted for him.

Happy trails.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Canada IS a good friend.

However, Canada's first duty is to Canada.

Just like the US's first duty is to the US.

I think Trump is using a mack truck for something that you could have done with simple logical persuasion. It does neither nation any good to get in a tariff war, but Trump's view of the Canadian abuses (and there are some) is such that he wants to use blunt force to get his way.

That's not good for long term relations. He might get his way in the short term, but it will be something that is waiting to get back at us for down the road.

I kind of see Trump's logic though- if he tries to do it the nice way, odds are in 4 years it all gets reset to the status quo and nothing changes long term.

In a way though, he did Canada a favour (and yes, I used your spelling deliberately) by getting Canadians to be more close. I haven't heard any sniping between the rural provinces and the Quebec types in some time.

You are the most fence-straddling poster I have ever seen

. . . he has perfected the approach. I am reminded of Jesus statement in Revelations about folks with lukewarm faith who are neither cold nor hot.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Canada's most important task was to try and get out of debt. That will likely have to be put on hold while capital investments in infrastructure are made to reduce dependence on the US as a trading partner. We can only hope we are being led by a conservative government.
I have two brothers, a daughter, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, and cousins in various states. My brothers, daughter and I are dual citizens. My daughter and I are US Army vets. We are all a little torn up over this bullshit.
Donald Trump's actions will literally tear families apart. Bill

And, I bet all of them voted for him.

Happy trails.

No. The Family is about evenly split between Democrats and Republicans. There are some Trumpeteers, but others of the Republicans are fiscal conservatives and so do not like Trump. Some of the Democrats were aware that the party had failed to field a viable candidate and seemed undecided about what they should do. This a very difficult election cycle for anyone with a functioning brain.
Everyone knew Trump was bound to say and do stupid shit, but he has gone further than most expected. There have been other presidents who were pretty clueless when it came to interaction with Canada and Canadians, but none matched Trump. Bill

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Originally posted by medved:
some are not understanding we are neighbors and even friends but your president is not making things easy for you ... you can think all you want about this but economy 101 should learn or teach you one thing ...

just 10% of less canadians travelling as tourists will cost you:

with 20.4 million visits in 2024, generating $20.5 billion in spending and supporting 140,000 American jobs. A 10% reduction in Canadian travel could mean 2.0 million fewer visits, $2.1 billion in lost spending and 14,000 job losses.

no numbers i made but they are coming from this website ...

https://www.ustravel.org/press...travel-united-states

we are not visiting skagway and haines in alaska for the next 4 years (and we are not alone) unless your president is stopping is economic and sovereignty threats ... you should ask those 2 communities how they survive all year long ... not from the cruise ships i can tell you ...

as i already said we do not want you becoming the 4th territories ...

For perspective, the economies of California and Texas are greater than that of Canada. Skagway and Haines ? Tourist traps to be avoided at the best of times not to mention the exchange rate sucks.

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51 percent of a new U.S. made truck comes from Canada and Mexico.

Shame on us. We should do better.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Has Canada really ever been our friend? Seem to remember them harboring draft-dodgers during Vietnam.

Well, let's see, when Canadians opened their homes to American travelers on 9/11, were they being your friend? When Canadian welcomes American tourists, hunters, and fishermen into the country, are they being your friend? When Canadians provide the US with raw materials, when they could as easily sell them elsewhere, are they being your friends? When Canadians send aid and support, along with fire fighters and medical teams to disaster areas in the US, are they being your friends? When Canadians travel to participate in shooting competitions across the country, and share beer and meals with you, are they being your friends? When you openly advocate for and support an economic attack on our country, your president insults our country and its people and interferes in our domestic affairs, and we feel more sadness than anger, are we still your friends?
Donald Trump. Not a conservative, not a Christian, not trustworthy, and certainly, not a friend. Regards, Bill

I have many “Canadian” friends. But Canada the country…not so much. And they kept their Castro-family communist PM in office long enough that I doubt that country will ever be a good friend again. Anyone with Trudeau would do well to remain mum on leadership.

Well, YOUR goddam president is doing all he can to keep him in power. Thanks a lot. Bill.

So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

Same here in SC. The coastal areas are jam packed every winter with Canadians. They invest in real estate here and enjoy healthcare on demand. They don't give a crap about political peter measuring.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Hahaha. If the reaction of the crowd at the 4 Nations Face-Off is any indication, Trump might be advised to avoid travel north.

ROFLMAO

you poked the bear in the middle of winter ... never assume you will win all games lol ...

I think our resident horse doctor is starting to realize what his cults blind faith has unleashed, and now he’s whistling in the dark - still unwilling to admit his folly, but with a bit of fear creeping in.

It’s really astonishing how little time it’s taken for the MAGAts despotic hero to turn their nation from a position of global leadership into a global pariah, abruptly forsaking worldwide allies for a sole alliance with Russia.

A well known Chinese curse is “May you live in interesting times.” Well, here we are. Mass psychosis has assumed control.

Is that a joke TW? 20% of my clientele are Canadians living in Texas and OK to take advantage of our economy. Many are very close friends and most of them love Trump. None despise him.

So you admit that your feelings about Trump are more religious than factual?

Kind of explains things.

I'm not really wild about Trump's behavior, but some of what he is doing needed to be done a while ago. Neither mainline republicans or the democrats did it.

The GOP at best didn't expand things. Sometimes they did, but not as much as the dems.

The dems seem to often have decent people who for some reason insist on doubling down on stupid.

The Canadians have done a number of items that are not particularly neighborly with regards to the border and import/export. Those needed to be addressed and dealt with. Do I agree with how Trump is doing it? No. But to give props to him, at least he is doing something, which is more than Biden, Trump in his first term, Obama, GW Bush, Clinton, or GHW Bush did. One could argue Regan tried to do something, but it sure didn't take.

So while I would not do what Trump did, I would have tried to get some sort of result similar to his supposed goal. Which is more than our other presidents in the last 30-some years have done.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Canada IS a good friend.

However, Canada's first duty is to Canada.

Just like the US's first duty is to the US.

I think Trump is using a mack truck for something that you could have done with simple logical persuasion. It does neither nation any good to get in a tariff war, but Trump's view of the Canadian abuses (and there are some) is such that he wants to use blunt force to get his way.

That's not good for long term relations. He might get his way in the short term, but it will be something that is waiting to get back at us for down the road.

I kind of see Trump's logic though- if he tries to do it the nice way, odds are in 4 years it all gets reset to the status quo and nothing changes long term.

In a way though, he did Canada a favour (and yes, I used your spelling deliberately) by getting Canadians to be more close. I haven't heard any sniping between the rural provinces and the Quebec types in some time.

You are the most fence-straddling poster I have ever seen

. . . he has perfected the approach. I am reminded of Jesus statement in Revelations about folks with lukewarm faith who are neither cold nor hot.

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But to give props to him, at least he is doing something

Tell me, doctor, is it better to cut out the wrong organ or not to operate?

Well, in no state is he allowed to operate on humans.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, in no state is he allowed to operate on humans.

If by "he" you mean Dr. Butler, isn't he duly licensed in Minnesota?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

No. It is Trump's bluster and bullshit which has given the Liberals a boost in the polls when the party was as good as finished. Trump had nothing to do with Trudeau getting into office four years ago, but he may well play a part in keeping the Liberals in power. Trudeau is gone. That is clear to everyone except Trump and some of his more obtuse followers. The Liberal party, which is the real problem, may be able to use Trump's bluster to gain traction. Is Trump aware of this? Maybe he is. He might be less clueless than he seems. Bill.

Bill you have an amazingly perceptive read on Trump. Unfortunately too many people here view him as some sort of savior and are oblivious to the fact that he is a lying weasel concerned only about himself. Maybe we can trade Lane for you.

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But to give props to him, at least he is doing something

Tell me, doctor, is it better to cut out the wrong organ or not to operate?

Depends on the organ and the situation. You do realize that a sizable number of appendixes that are removed end up not showing signs of infection, although that is getting lower with improved radiology procedures. The idea is that getting rid of an apparently infected appendix now is better than letting it sit and you get sure of the situation and the patient gets peritonitis which even now is a very high death rate.

I have seen situations where a foot was amputated... it was the "wrong one" in that it was "less" gangrenous than the other. Eventually both were coming off, just which one first. Of course, these kind of mistakes are horrible and bad.

I get what you are implying. I do think with regards to Canada, Trump has gone too far.

I do think that Trump directly negotiating with Russia and not having Ukraine in the room is a bad idea, albeit I don't know if Ukraine might prefer it that way as they know they have to make concessions, and this way they can blame it on the US and Trump. It kind of depends on what comes of it, wouldn't you admit? Certainly, Trump can't force Ukraine to accept anything in particular.

I'd probably get labelled a traitor to the party if I was in office because I wouldn't mind telling Trump where to head in about some things.

While I tend to think that Trump and DOGE might be going too far, I would want to actually see the data instead of listening to the howls from the howler monkeys in the press that have shown they have their heads so far up the democratic party's rear that they actually can see light through the mouth at times.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

No. It is Trump's bluster and bullshit which has given the Liberals a boost in the polls when the party was as good as finished. Trump had nothing to do with Trudeau getting into office four years ago, but he may well play a part in keeping the Liberals in power. Trudeau is gone. That is clear to everyone except Trump and some of his more obtuse followers. The Liberal party, which is the real problem, may be able to use Trump's bluster to gain traction. Is Trump aware of this? Maybe he is. He might be less clueless than he seems. Bill.

All Canada’s problem not mine. When you have Trudeau…don’t bitch about ours. There is not an American president in history I would trade for Trudeau — not even 0bama or Biden. I never got over Canada giving safe haven to draft dodgers and I can’t imagine a country with the vast wilderness of Canada where a man can’t carry a pistol when he wants.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

No. It is Trump's bluster and bullshit which has given the Liberals a boost in the polls when the party was as good as finished. Trump had nothing to do with Trudeau getting into office four years ago, but he may well play a part in keeping the Liberals in power. Trudeau is gone. That is clear to everyone except Trump and some of his more obtuse followers. The Liberal party, which is the real problem, may be able to use Trump's bluster to gain traction. Is Trump aware of this? Maybe he is. He might be less clueless than he seems. Bill.

All Canada’s problem not mine. When you have Trudeau…don’t bitch about ours. There is not an American president in history I would trade for Trudeau — not even 0bama or Biden. I never got over Canada giving safe haven to draft dodgers and I can’t imagine a country with the vast wilderness of Canada where a man can’t carry a pistol when he wants.

Wrong Lane, it is not just Canada's problem, America has a very large problem. Our turd of a President has upended 80 years of foreign policy, attacked our allies economically and abandoned them militarily. America has a very big problem, we are alone, the tariffs will drive inflation up and we have a moron in the Whitehouse.

It is not all Canada's problem.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

No. It is Trump's bluster and bullshit which has given the Liberals a boost in the polls when the party was as good as finished. Trump had nothing to do with Trudeau getting into office four years ago, but he may well play a part in keeping the Liberals in power. Trudeau is gone. That is clear to everyone except Trump and some of his more obtuse followers. The Liberal party, which is the real problem, may be able to use Trump's bluster to gain traction. Is Trump aware of this? Maybe he is. He might be less clueless than he seems. Bill.

All Canada’s problem not mine. When you have Trudeau…don’t bitch about ours. There is not an American president in history I would trade for Trudeau — not even 0bama or Biden. I never got over Canada giving safe haven to draft dodgers and I can’t imagine a country with the vast wilderness of Canada where a man can’t carry a pistol when he wants.

Wrong Lane, it is not just Canada's problem, America has a very large problem. Our turd of a President has upended 80 years of foreign policy, attacked our allies economically and abandoned them militarily. America has a very big problem, we are alone, the tariffs will drive inflation up and we have a moron in the Whitehouse.

It is not all Canada's problem.

But his boyfriend, Musk, is making a killing!

He had the government investigation of his company stopped.

He has hundreds of millions of contracts, for EVs, not Teslas.

China will supply!

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never got over Canada giving safe haven to draft dodgers and I can’t imagine a country with the vast wilderness of Canada where a man can’t carry a pistol when he wants.

(A) We only gave safe haven to the ones not wealthy enough or well enough connected (like Donald Trump) to weasel their way out. The ‘fortunate sons’ didn’t need us.

(B) I’ve had a carry permit for over 40 years, and carried either a S&W 1006 or (1 of 3) Model 29’s if I chose to - until I grew up and realized a handgun is more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth. The only difference is we vet our permit holders a bit more carefully than you do, and the permits are more specific. Canadians don’t need to stroke a Single Action Army to raise a woody.

But hey, keep floundering and regurgitating Mad King Donald’s lies. You screwed up, and while you’ll never admit it, I think you’re starting to realize it.

When I was drafted, I put in my 2 years of service, as I'm sure you did, Lane. Not everyone did, and I don't fault them. People make their choices.
It is those two years of service, along with my birth certificate, that gives me every right to criticize. Bill.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

No. It is Trump's bluster and bullshit which has given the Liberals a boost in the polls when the party was as good as finished. Trump had nothing to do with Trudeau getting into office four years ago, but he may well play a part in keeping the Liberals in power. Trudeau is gone. That is clear to everyone except Trump and some of his more obtuse followers. The Liberal party, which is the real problem, may be able to use Trump's bluster to gain traction. Is Trump aware of this? Maybe he is. He might be less clueless than he seems. Bill.

All Canada’s problem not mine. When you have Trudeau…don’t bitch about ours. There is not an American president in history I would trade for Trudeau — not even 0bama or Biden. I never got over Canada giving safe haven to draft dodgers and I can’t imagine a country with the vast wilderness of Canada where a man can’t carry a pistol when he wants.

Wrong Lane, it is not just Canada's problem, America has a very large problem. Our turd of a President has upended 80 years of foreign policy, attacked our allies economically and abandoned them militarily. America has a very big problem, we are alone, the tariffs will drive inflation up and we have a moron in the Whitehouse.

It is not all Canada's problem.

I love our President. Happy with his and our VP’s stances.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
When I was drafted, I put in my 2 years of service, as I'm sure you did, Lane. Not everyone did, and I don't fault them. People make their choices.
It is those two years of service, along with my birth certificate, that gives me every right to criticize. Bill.

I agree with most of what you say Bill. I don’t have a beef with you at all. I am sure we could have great conversation and fun together shooting.

Just saying…Canada elected Trudeau. Trudeau is Canada’s cross to bear. The fact that Canada would even elect and keep Trudeau as long as they have means Canada has much bigger problems than our President. And until Canadian conservatives clean their own house…I have no room listening to their belly-aching about our President.

I am happy with President Trump and VP Vance. So far I have zero to criticize them for on my side.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I love our President.

Confessions of a fan boy.

I would suggest staying away from anything other than ground floor windows Lane, you know how Putin can be when he becomes jealous.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
When I was drafted, I put in my 2 years of service, as I'm sure you did, Lane. Not everyone did, and I don't fault them. People make their choices.
It is those two years of service, along with my birth certificate, that gives me every right to criticize. Bill.

I agree with most of what you say Bill. I don’t have a beef with you at all. I am sure we could have great conversation and fun together shooting.

Just saying…Canada elected Trudeau. Trudeau is Canada’s cross to bear. The fact that Canada would even elect and keep Trudeau as long as they have means Canada has much bigger problems than our President. And until Canadian conservatives clean their own house…I have no room listening to their belly-aching about our President.

I am happy with President Trump and VP Vance. So far I have zero to criticize them for on my side.

And if he stayed in his lane, I would have no issue either. He is interfering in another country's domestic issues, and he has no business doing so. If he simply stayed out of it, the Liberals would be gone and he could negotiate with a conservative government if he wanted. He had to know that. So, either he knew it and preferred to deal with a weak and currently unpopular liberal government, or he is clueless and unaware of the political process of the country with which he is interfering.
He is either deliberately trying to influence the outcome of the election or he is clueless. which do you think is most likely?
Bottom line? do what you want in your country, but don't try to bully us up here. We are aware of our problems and are working to deal with them. Donald Trump is making it more difficult.
This is the point you don't seem to get. Trudeau's actions, detrimental to our nation as they may be, have little or no effect on the US. Trump's actions, on the other hand, are detrimental to Canada. In fact, he is making decisions which are deliberately aimed at influencing Canadian domestic policy. Can you see the difference? Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
When I was drafted, I put in my 2 years of service, as I'm sure you did, Lane. Not everyone did, and I don't fault them. People make their choices.
It is those two years of service, along with my birth certificate, that gives me every right to criticize. Bill.

I agree with most of what you say Bill. I don’t have a beef with you at all. I am sure we could have great conversation and fun together shooting.

Just saying…Canada elected Trudeau. Trudeau is Canada’s cross to bear. The fact that Canada would even elect and keep Trudeau as long as they have means Canada has much bigger problems than our President. And until Canadian conservatives clean their own house…I have no room listening to their belly-aching about our President.

I am happy with President Trump and VP Vance. So far I have zero to criticize them for on my side.

And if he stayed in his lane, I would have no issue either. He is interfering in another country's domestic issues, and he has no business doing so. If he simply stayed out of it, the Liberals would be gone and he could negotiate with a conservative government if he wanted. He had to know that. So, either he knew it and preferred to deal with a weak and currently unpopular liberal government, or he is clueless and unaware of the political process of the country with which he is interfering.
He is either deliberately trying to influence the outcome of the election or he is clueless. which do you think is most likely?
Bottom line? do what you want in your country, but don't try to bully us up here. We are aware of our problems and are working to deal with them. Donald Trump is making it more difficult.
This is the point you don't seem to get. Trudeau's actions, detrimental to our nation as they may be, have little or no effect on the US. Trump's actions, on the other hand, are detrimental to Canada. In fact, he is making decisions which are deliberately aimed at influencing Canadian domestic policy. Can you see the difference? Regards, Bill.

that point i very important: we do not care about what is done there up to the time there is an impact internally or interferences which we got ... thank you for your post, bill.

I want Trump to do what is in the best interest of the USA…full stop. If you guys didn’t have Trudeau in the first place he would have no influence. IE: Influence can only work if there is susceptibility.

These tariffs and theatre to Canada are not in the best interest of the US.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
These tariffs and theatre to Canada are not in the best interest of the US.

Like the little Lord of Louisville would know.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by medved:
some are not understanding we are neighbors and even friends but your president is not making things easy for you ... you can think all you want about this but economy 101 should learn or teach you one thing ...

just 10% of less canadians travelling as tourists will cost you:

with 20.4 million visits in 2024, generating $20.5 billion in spending and supporting 140,000 American jobs. A 10% reduction in Canadian travel could mean 2.0 million fewer visits, $2.1 billion in lost spending and 14,000 job losses.

no numbers i made but they are coming from this website ...

https://www.ustravel.org/press...travel-united-states

we are not visiting skagway and haines in alaska for the next 4 years (and we are not alone) unless your president is stopping is economic and sovereignty threats ... you should ask those 2 communities how they survive all year long ... not from the cruise ships i can tell you ...

as i already said we do not want you becoming the 4th territories ...

For perspective, the economies of California and Texas are greater than that of Canada. Skagway and Haines ? Tourist traps to be avoided at the best of times not to mention the exchange rate sucks.

please take the time to read the link i posted ...

i suggest for you to visit haines outside the peak season and you ll discover a small nice town with great people and a great range for shooting where we did a lot of international handgun and semis competitions there ... but it was not during trump first presidence nor it will during his second term.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Canada IS a good friend.

However, Canada's first duty is to Canada.

Just like the US's first duty is to the US.

I think Trump is using a mack truck for something that you could have done with simple logical persuasion. It does neither nation any good to get in a tariff war, but Trump's view of the Canadian abuses (and there are some) is such that he wants to use blunt force to get his way.

That's not good for long term relations. He might get his way in the short term, but it will be something that is waiting to get back at us for down the road.

I kind of see Trump's logic though- if he tries to do it the nice way, odds are in 4 years it all gets reset to the status quo and nothing changes long term.

In a way though, he did Canada a favour (and yes, I used your spelling deliberately) by getting Canadians to be more close. I haven't heard any sniping between the rural provinces and the Quebec types in some time.

You are the most fence-straddling poster I have ever seen

. . . he has perfected the approach. I am reminded of Jesus statement in Revelations about folks with lukewarm faith who are neither cold nor hot.

It's an art that you kind of have to admire.

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You are the most fence-straddling poster I have ever seen

Yeah, pick a side to hate and hate them, dammit! This ‘getting along’ bullshit has to stop! Tolerance will no longer be tolerated.

You guys sound mad, everything ok?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Has Canada really ever been our friend? Seem to remember them harboring draft-dodgers during Vietnam.

Well, let's see, when Canadians opened their homes to American travelers on 9/11, were they being your friend? When Canadian welcomes American tourists, hunters, and fishermen into the country, are they being your friend? When Canadians provide the US with raw materials, when they could as easily sell them elsewhere, are they being your friends? When Canadians send aid and support, along with fire fighters and medical teams to disaster areas in the US, are they being your friends? When Canadians travel to participate in shooting competitions across the country, and share beer and meals with you, are they being your friends? When you openly advocate for and support an economic attack on our country, your president insults our country and its people and interferes in our domestic affairs, and we feel more sadness than anger, are we still your friends?
Donald Trump. Not a conservative, not a Christian, not trustworthy, and certainly, not a friend. Regards, Bill

I have many “Canadian” friends. But Canada the country…not so much. And they kept their Castro-family communist PM in office long enough that I doubt that country will ever be a good friend again. Anyone with Trudeau would do well to remain mum on leadership.

Well, YOUR goddam president is doing all he can to keep him in power. Thanks a lot. Bill.

So now it is Trump’s fault that Canadians were stupid enough to elect a communist pussy for PM???

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Originally posted by ismith:
You guys sound mad, everything ok?

Of course they're mad....they live in canada....

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Originally posted by ismith:
You guys sound mad, everything ok?

Pretty funny isn’t it?
I for one support what Trump is doing
Too long countries abused US good will
The buck stops here
And nobody dislikes Canada, opposite, everyone looks at Canada as just great friend
In the end, it’s fashionable to blame Trump for others problems…

What is Canada doing about their taxes on imports from the USA?

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Originally posted by bob-y:
What is Canada doing about their taxes on imports from the USA?

retaliatate ...