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"For more than two decades, Thomas has accepted luxury trips virtually every year from the Dallas businessman without disclosing them, documents and interviews show. A public servant who has a salary of $285,000, he has vacationed on Crow’s superyacht around the globe. He flies on Crow’s Bombardier Global 5000 jet. He has gone with Crow to the Bohemian Grove, the exclusive California all-male retreat, and to Crow’s sprawling ranch in East Texas. And Thomas typically spends about a week every summer at Crow’s private resort in the Adirondacks.

The extent and frequency of Crow’s apparent gifts to Thomas have no known precedent in the modern history of the U.S. Supreme Court.

These trips appeared nowhere on Thomas’ financial disclosures."


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Lock him up. A crook is a crook
 
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This is a great area we can all agree with for judicial reform. The Supreme Court has no rules concerning these gifts.

I just had to sign Professional State Prosecutor’s ethics addendum that says I will not accept gifts of over 100 dollars except from immediate family not before the court.
 
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Very funny!

And all your politicians demanding DONATIONS is any different??


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This is a great area we can all agree with for judicial reform. The Supreme Court has no rules concerning these gifts.

I just had to sign Professional State Prosecutor’s ethics addendum that says I will not accept gifts of over 100 dollars except from immediate family not before the court.


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"These trips appeared nowhere on Thomas’ financial disclosures. His failure to report the flights appears to violate a law passed after Watergate that requires justices, judges, members of Congress and federal officials to disclose most gifts, two ethics law experts said. He also should have disclosed his trips on the yacht, these experts said."


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I see they that. Failure to report for financial reasons is different than an ethical rule or law preventing the gifts in the first place.


Two separate, but related issues
 
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We have an ex-prez who is above the law, why not a SC justice?
 
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Did Biden have to report a financial claim when he stayed at his friends Nantucket place for Thanksgiving?
 
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Do not know. What I do know is I cannot accept those gifts as a state prosecutor and commissioner.

I see no reason that a Supreme Court Justice should receive such gifts. The reasons are obvious.
 
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Do not know. What I do know is I cannot accept those gifts as a state prosecutor and commissioner.

I see no reason that a Supreme Court Justice should receive such gifts. The reasons are obvious.


So the question is did he provide any benefits in exchange? For gifts of that magnitude it's hard to believe that he didn't.


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I would pass a law banning gifts obverse 10” dollars by non intimate family members like we do across the country for Judges and Prosecutors.

Thereby eliminating the possibility.
 
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I would pass a law banning gifts obverse 10” dollars by non intimate family members like we do across the country for Judges and Prosecutors.

Thereby eliminating the possibility.


So getting engaged and getting an engagement ring is verboten?

Your previously made point is standing. You can’t write a law that makes sense 100%.

They passed a rule against allowing physicians to get gifts of more than $20 value from drug companies here. There went my lunches and game farm trips…

But, oddly, the pharmacists decide on what is on formulary and they still can accept gifts. Nurses and nurse practitioners can still accept gifts…

Of course, politicians can also accept gifts or donations from lobbyists as well.

What does that say?

I’d prefer if you had to disclose receipts rather than ban them.
 
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Would be considered intimate family.

The states already have these rules.

It is not hard. Every state has a statute or ethical rule that can be used to model legislation for the Supreme Court.

This is appropriate work of Congress.

https://apple.news/AOQQglkKZQ9qqax5sdPMe9Q

What is good enough for state judges and state prosecutors is good enough for the Supreme Court.

There is a legal question if Congress can force this regulation upon the High Court.

The Court may be convinced to adopt an ethical rule when it thinks it may be forced to accept Congress regulation or lose more legitimacy with the citizens.
 
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Stupid as the moment you as judge cannot possibly even go to friends dinner or cabin over the weekend?
You people are retarded
 
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Going to my known lawyer’s buddies house would not be a gift. However, if I went to his house with a case he had interest pending that would be considered an impermissible gift. The answer would be to immediately conflict my self out (recuse) from that case. When that happens the car goes to a completely different prosecution team in another office.

That is the problem with the Supreme Court he is taking lavish gifts from s political donor. Them he is deciding cases.

The answer is to recuse if you want the gifts. The punishment comes when you take these gifts and do not recuse.

Hence, even if a state does not define a fiancé as intimate family. The issue becomes when you take the gift and do not decide from a case involving the fiancé or a case the fiancé has an interest in.

Since, the Supreme Court decided national policy to take such gifts from a vested observer and stay on cases he wants decided is unethical.
 
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Going to my known lawyer’s buddies house would not be a gift. However, if I went to his house with a case he had interest pending that would be considered an impermissible gift. The answer would be to immediately conflict my self out (recuse) from that case. When that happens the car goes to a completely different prosecution team in another office.

That is the problem with the Supreme Court he is taking lavish gifts from s political donor. Them he is deciding cases.

The answer is to recuse if you want the gifts. The punishment comes when you take these gifts and do not recuse.

Hence, even if a state does not define a fiancé as intimate family. The issue becomes when you take the gift and do not decide from a case involving the fiancé or a case the fiancé has an interest in.

Since, the Supreme Court decided national policy to take such gifts from a vested observer and stay on cases he wants decided is unethical.


He didn't even recuse from a case involving his own wife and voted just the way that you'd ecpect him to. IIRC his was the only dissent.

I expect now that the cat is out of the bag that someone will be going over all of his decisions with a fine tooth comb.


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Thomas is guilty of being black and conservative. Yes we must get out the fine toothed comb. Never mind when Ginsburg officiated a gay wedding before her decision on gay marriage. This is all political theatre.
 
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Thomas is guilty of being black and conservative. Yes we must get out the fine toothed comb. Never mind when Ginsburg officiated a gay wedding before her decision on gay marriage. This is all political theatre.


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Wasn't required to be reported and he didn't. Rules changed. How do you think you even know about it. Because he disclosed it. He's about the best Justice on the Court since Scalia passed.
 
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A judge IS supposed to be like a priest. He should keep himself apart from political influences and the arguments of lobbyists. This part of the code of judicial conduct has been developed in common law over the centuries. There are judicial canons of ethics that make this clear.

Lower court judges know about it, and 99 percent abide by it... so how come a Supreme Court justice doesn't? A Supreme Court Justice, a member of our highest court, should set an example. He should be above the appearance of impropriety.

But this is more than an appearance. If you really believe that Thomas and his benefactor-friend didn't talk about political and legal issues while on their lavish vacations together, you must also believe in the Easter bunny.

Instead we see Thomas receiving multi-million-dollar benefits from a lobbyist and big donor to one party. It shouldn't matter which party it was--but I know it does to some of you.
 
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How the hell can a Supreme Court judge keeps away from politics! rotflmo


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A judge IS supposed to be like a priest. He should keep himself apart from political influences and the arguments of lobbyists. This part of the code of judicial conduct has been developed in common law over the centuries. There are judicial canons of ethics that make this clear.

Lower court judges know about it, and 99 percent abide by it... so how come a Supreme Court justice doesn't? A Supreme Court Justice, a member of our highest court, should set an example. He should be above the appearance of impropriety.

But this is more than an appearance. If you really believe that Thomas and his benefactor-friend didn't talk about political and legal issues while on their lavish vacations together, you must also believe in the Easter bunny.

Instead we see Thomas receiving multi-million-dollar benefits from a lobbyist and big donor to one party. It shouldn't matter which party it was--but I know it does to some of you.


Justices are people. They don’t live in a vacuum. They have political feelings and thoughts like anyone else. They watch news and have internet.

They also are allowed to have friends and carry on a life outside of the court.

Can you point to any landmark case where Thomas was the swing vote and changed his mind in the 12th hour like he was bought or influenced? He was never been an activist, he isn’t particularly vocal, he is consistently low-profile, and always has voted consistently with his known philosophy.

I know of zero SCOTUS cases which directly impacted Harlan Crow. And I know of zero SCOTUS cases where Thomas was the swing vote.

The guy just happens to be friends with a rich guy — at least it appears to me.


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Bloody hell!

Even a convicted criminal like Trump is getting “donations!” clap


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So Crow also bought property from Thomas... Which Thomas failed to disclose... and which Thomas's mother lived in (for free?) after the sale.

In 2014, one of Texas billionaire Harlan Crow’s companies purchased a string of properties on a quiet residential street in Savannah, Georgia. It wasn’t a marquee acquisition for the real estate magnate, just an old single-story home and two vacant lots down the road. What made it noteworthy were the people on the other side of the deal: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and his relatives...

The purchase put Crow in an unusual position: He now owned the house where the justice’s elderly mother was living. Soon after the sale was completed, contractors began work on tens of thousands of dollars of improvements on the two-bedroom, one-bathroom home, which looks out onto a patch of orange trees. The renovations included a carport, a repaired roof and a new fence and gates, according to city permit records and blueprints.

A federal disclosure law passed after Watergate requires justices and other officials to disclose the details of most real estate sales over $1,000. Thomas never disclosed his sale of the Savannah properties. That appears to be a violation of the law, four ethics law experts told ProPublica.

The disclosure form Thomas filed for that year also had a space to report the identity of the buyer in any private transaction, such as a real estate deal. That space is blank.

“He needed to report his interest in the sale,” said Virginia Canter, a former government ethics lawyer now at the watchdog group CREW. “Given the role Crow has played in subsidizing the lifestyle of Thomas and his wife, you have to wonder if this was an effort to put cash in their pockets...”

The justice’s failure to report the transaction suggests “Thomas was hiding a financial relationship with Crow,” said Kathleen Clark, a legal ethics expert at Washington University in St. Louis who reviewed years of Thomas’ disclosure filings...

It’s unclear if Crow paid fair market value for the Thomas properties. Crow also bought several other properties on the street and paid significantly less than his deal with the Thomases. One example: In 2013, he bought a pair of properties on the same block — a vacant lot and a small house — for a total of $40,000...

Crow still owns Thomas’ mother’s home, which the now-94-year-old continued to live in through at least 2020, according to public records and social media. Two neighbors told ProPublica she still lives there. Crow did not respond to questions about whether he has charged her rent.


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So Crow also bought property from Thomas... Which Thomas failed to disclose... and which Thomas's mother lived in (for free?) after the sale.

In 2014, one of Texas billionaire Harlan Crow’s companies purchased a string of properties on a quiet residential street in Savannah, Georgia. It wasn’t a marquee acquisition for the real estate magnate, just an old single-story home and two vacant lots down the road. What made it noteworthy were the people on the other side of the deal: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and his relatives...

The purchase put Crow in an unusual position: He now owned the house where the justice’s elderly mother was living. Soon after the sale was completed, contractors began work on tens of thousands of dollars of improvements on the two-bedroom, one-bathroom home, which looks out onto a patch of orange trees. The renovations included a carport, a repaired roof and a new fence and gates, according to city permit records and blueprints.

A federal disclosure law passed after Watergate requires justices and other officials to disclose the details of most real estate sales over $1,000. Thomas never disclosed his sale of the Savannah properties. That appears to be a violation of the law, four ethics law experts told ProPublica.

The disclosure form Thomas filed for that year also had a space to report the identity of the buyer in any private transaction, such as a real estate deal. That space is blank.

“He needed to report his interest in the sale,” said Virginia Canter, a former government ethics lawyer now at the watchdog group CREW. “Given the role Crow has played in subsidizing the lifestyle of Thomas and his wife, you have to wonder if this was an effort to put cash in their pockets...”

The justice’s failure to report the transaction suggests “Thomas was hiding a financial relationship with Crow,” said Kathleen Clark, a legal ethics expert at Washington University in St. Louis who reviewed years of Thomas’ disclosure filings...

It’s unclear if Crow paid fair market value for the Thomas properties. Crow also bought several other properties on the street and paid significantly less than his deal with the Thomases. One example: In 2013, he bought a pair of properties on the same block — a vacant lot and a small house — for a total of $40,000...

Crow still owns Thomas’ mother’s home, which the now-94-year-old continued to live in through at least 2020, according to public records and social media. Two neighbors told ProPublica she still lives there. Crow did not respond to questions about whether he has charged her rent.


Based on what I'm reading, this one may be a legal problem for Thomas.

Unethical piece of shit.


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Did Thomas follow the rules? Yup. Move on.
 
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If he followed the rules, fine, it’s done.

Want the rules to be more stringent? I really don’t have a problem with that.
 
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Did Thomas follow the rules? Yup. Move on.


So selling property to a real estate developer who gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in free travel and vacations plus allowed his mother to live in said properties for free is following the rules?? Confused I don’t think so. coffee


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Did Thomas follow the rules? Yup. Move on.


So selling property to a real estate developer who gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in free travel and vacations plus allowed his mother to live in said properties for free is following the rules?? Confused I don’t think so. coffee


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Not so fast. If he followed the rules then no foul. If he was found to have violated the rules then we have something to discuss.
 
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Not so fast. If he followed the rules then no foul. If he was found to have violated the rules then we have something to discuss.


If these facts are correct and you really don't think we have something to discuss, rules violation or not, you're not thinking it through. Judges operate under an "appearance of impropriety" standard when it comes to accepting gratuities.

And, Thomas' dealings with this guy stink to high heaven.

Would you want your case against Harlan Crowe heard by a judge who goes on vacations paid for by Harlan Crowe?


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Not so fast. If he followed the rules then no foul. If he was found to have violated the rules then we have something to discuss.


If these facts are correct and you really don't think we have something to discuss, rules violation or not, you're not thinking it through. Judges operate under an "appearance of impropriety" standard when it comes to accepting gratuities.

And, Thomas' dealings with this guy stink to high heaven.

Would you want your case against Harlan Crowe heard by a judge who goes on vacations paid for by Harlan Crowe?


Nor does it mean we should continue to permit such behavior, or not discuss if such such behavior should be permitted.
 
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I think we should let it play out and then we can take our positions, if there are positions to take. Maybe we'd all even see eye to eye. What a shock that would be!
 
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Justices on the SCOTUS should not be accepting million dollar vacations from anybody.

Justices on the SCOTUS should not be selling their mom's house to somebody paying for their million dollar vacations who then allows that Justice's mom to continue living in the house.

The whole thing stinks.


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Life lease on a home is nothing unusual Done here all the time.
Even if all this is allowed. The rules should be changed to report it.
If there was a case with his friend involved, he should remove himself.
Should be simple rules to follow.
 
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Wasn't required to be reported and he didn't. Rules changed. How do you think you even know about it. Because he disclosed it. He's about the best Justice on the Court since Scalia passed.


That is a laughable statement and an insult to Justice Scalia's memory.

Scalia was an intellectual giant. I disagreed with pretty much every single opinion he ever authored but never questioned his legal acumen and incredibly well-crafted, well-reasoned solid legal arguments in the opinions he wrote. He made me question my own opinions his opinions were so well-written and so legally supportable.

Thomas never asked a question in oral argument at the SCOTUS for ten years. He's never authored an opinion of any consequence. He only got appointed to the SCOTUS after extensive hearings about his sexual harassment of Anita Hill. Comparing him to Scalia is absurd.


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Thomas is the kind of judge that makes us need conflict of interest rules in the first place.

Honest judges don't need the rule.
 
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Hopefully he can room with that princess in the big house...Robert's should ask him to resign..
 
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Wasn't required to be reported and he didn't. Rules changed. How do you think you even know about it. Because he disclosed it. He's about the best Justice on the Court since Scalia passed.


That is a laughable statement and an insult to Justice Scalia's memory.

Scalia was an intellectual giant. I disagreed with pretty much every single opinion he ever authored but never questioned his legal acumen and incredibly well-crafted, well-reasoned solid legal arguments in the opinions he wrote. He made me question my own opinions his opinions were so well-written and so legally supportable.

Thomas never asked a question in oral argument at the SCOTUS for ten years. He's never authored an opinion of any consequence. He only got appointed to the SCOTUS after extensive hearings about his sexual harassment of Anita Hill. Comparing him to Scalia is absurd.


I would beg to differ.

If there had been solid proof of Anita Hill's allegations, he would have never been seated. It was hearsay then and is hearsay now.

I agree that Thomas is not nearly of the intellectual caliber of Scalia- I'm not a lawyer and I can see the difference. But I can't say he's lower than Kagan or Sotomayor.
 
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