Of course we know that Putin had to watch the debacle on Friday and count his blessings that Trump is the current President, but what some of the other countries out there saying about the meeting is telling too.


Shen Yi, a professor at Shanghai's Fudan University, wrote in a Saturday op-ed on state-aligned Chinese nationalistic news website Guancha:

"First, clinging to the U.S. comes with risks—major risks—and can lead to a disastrous downfall. Second, strength, strength, and more strength—doing what must be done, achieving real development, enhancing national power, and securing one's own safety is the only real path forward. Third, if one sees the risks of relying on the U.S. but finds Moscow unappealing, then there is another path—one that, if followed diligently, can lead to the "serenity of the mountain breeze and the clarity of the river under the moon."

Ali Hosseini Khamenei's, Iran's Supreme Leader, take on the meeting:

"The first lesson from the situation in Ukraine is that Western support for countries and governments that are their puppets is a mirage. All governments must understand this. Those governments relying on the US and Europe should look at the current situation in Ukraine.

. . . and the Kremlin:

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told Russian state media Wednesday the Trump administration’s “foreign policy configurations” now “largely [align] with our vision.” Improving the U.S.’ relationship with Russia has “a long way to go because a lot of damage has been done to the whole complex of bilateral relations,” Peskov added, as translated by Agence France-Presse, but if Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s current “political will … is maintained, this path can be quite quick and successful.”

So our adversaries loved the meeting.

In the meantime our "allies" are all doing their best to repair the damage caused by the meeting.

Sir Keir tells Zelenskyy, before Zelenskyy goes to Sandringham to meet with the King:

"I hope you know that we are all with you and the people of Ukraine for as long as it takes."

And Macron says:

Macron said any US "disengagement" in Ukraine was "not in its interests", as forcing Kyiv to "sign a ceasefire without security guarantees" would see "its capacity to deter Russia, China and others evaporate the same day".

So our enemies call us out as being unreliable allies and our allies work overtime to backfill the damage caused by us in fact being unreliable allies. As I said before, when a meeting like Friday's meeting leaves your enemies gleeful and your allies alarmed, you have to wonder WTF is happening.

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Originally posted by MJines:
you have to wonder WTF is happening.

I am in agreement with David Brooks, Trump and Putin think alike, might makes right and rules based order be damned.

https://www.realclearpolitics....t_personal_risk.html

Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

You have to understand that, like it or not, Russia is no longer your enemy. Russia now is your only ally. The only question now is whether or not you allow that arrangement to become permanent.

The U.S. definition of “friend” and “enemy” have been effectively reversed. Vladimir Putin controls Donald Trump, and Donald Trump controls the United States, and you’d have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see it.

I look out the window at the world as it currently is and I don't see it as safer than it was on 19 01 25. It looks the opposite.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I do agree, that rat bastard Trump should never have been re-elected...

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Originally posted by nute:
I look out the window at the world as it currently is and I don't see it as safer than it was on 19 01 25. It looks the opposite.

Thanks to the Euros getting St. Zelensky to act like a moron…WWIII definitely looms.

St.Zelensky WANTS direct NATO/Russia conflict.

Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I do agree, that rat bastard Trump should never have been re-elected...

Imagine how wonderful it would have been if that Brainless Word Salad Bimbo got in!!

You Americans are so FREE!

BRAIN FREE!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I always err to talking about reality rather than some imaginary event that occurred in the past.

You don't want to talk about the fact that your cult leader is abandoning an ally.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I always err to talking about reality rather than some imaginary event that occurred in the past.

You don't want to talk about the fact that your cult leader is abandoning an ally.

What "ally" value does Ukraine have. Moron.

Keir Starmer outlines their plans, and it's what Trump should have come forth with. But also if you listen, he intentionally uses the same message that Zelensky was trying to get across to Vance and Trump. And it's not insulting or ungracious.

https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1896595075699704110

Now there's not a chance I would have voted for Starmer or his party. But I can put that aside and accept when on issues like this, the correct decision is made.

Likewise I would have been more likely to have voted for trump, But that dosnt mean that everything he does or will do is good.
Blind loyalty is a defect.

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I always err to talking about reality rather than some imaginary event that occurred in the past.

You don't want to talk about the fact that your cult leader is abandoning an ally.

What "ally" value does Ukraine have. Moron.

They're killing Russians every day, just dropped their deepest drone strike yet on a refinery 900 miles inside Russia, they've killed more North Koreans in a year than we have in the last 50.

And I sincerely hope Putin is stupid enough to want to take on NATO, even with his sub-slut Trump bailing. The Ukrainians have kicked his ass soundly with NATO surplus, learning to use it while fighting.

He's never seen a front-line German armored unit, or a first-rate Air Force, but he soon may.

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Don’t elect Jobama…never happens. Hopefully lesson learned.

How about, don't abandon our allies and embrace the enemy, Putin?

I will always err to prevention — as all non-obtuse do.

I always err to talking about reality rather than some imaginary event that occurred in the past.

You don't want to talk about the fact that your cult leader is abandoning an ally.

What "ally" value does Ukraine have. Moron.

Another Putin supporter speaks out.

The value Ukraine has is a willing and ability w support to stop decades of Russian aggression in Europe.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

As the meeting blew up (engineered by Schumer)Schumer steps out in front of the camera and throws a fit about the situation he engineered. Classic Democrat.

If you think I am making it all up, just do some research. Zelenski will be back at the table, lesson learned. Only one branch of Government conducts foreign affairs.

Another thing, I watched the entire ~45 minute meeting the first 40 minutes were very important to the last few. I'll bet NONE of you watched it. Context is everything.

https://economictimes.indiatim...8688971.cms?from=mdr

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

As the meeting blew up (engineered by Schumer)Schumer steps out in front of the camera and throws a fit about the situation he engineered. Classic Democrat.

If you think I am making it all up, just do some research. Zelenski will be back at the table, lesson learned. Only one branch of Government conducts foreign affairs.

Another thing, I watched the entire ~45 minute meeting the first 40 minutes were very important to the last few. I'll bet NONE of you watched it. Context is everything.

https://economictimes.indiatim...8688971.cms?from=mdr

as usual steve you are supporting what please you but do not try to support trump without consequences ...

look up the way trump welcomed zelensky and especially the mocking of his clothing ...

you are not the only that wattched the whole but contrary to trump supporters i do believe that zelensky did the right thing and did not signed the famous deal.

but we all know what trump or us signatures means anyway ...

funny in the mean time trump charged 25% on canadian goods except energy ....that will be only +10% but your consumers will pay that as well. maga may not be look so good after those increases ....

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

As the meeting blew up (engineered by Schumer)Schumer steps out in front of the camera and throws a fit about the situation he engineered. Classic Democrat.

If you think I am making it all up, just do some research. Zelenski will be back at the table, lesson learned. Only one branch of Government conducts foreign affairs.

Another thing, I watched the entire ~45 minute meeting the first 40 minutes were very important to the last few. I'll bet NONE of you watched it. Context is everything.

https://economictimes.indiatim...8688971.cms?from=mdr

All this bullshit is reliant on a single source: The New York Post.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

As the meeting blew up (engineered by Schumer)Schumer steps out in front of the camera and throws a fit about the situation he engineered. Classic Democrat.

If you think I am making it all up, just do some research. Zelenski will be back at the table, lesson learned. Only one branch of Government conducts foreign affairs.

Another thing, I watched the entire ~45 minute meeting the first 40 minutes were very important to the last few. I'll bet NONE of you watched it. Context is everything.

https://economictimes.indiatim...8688971.cms?from=mdr

as usual steve you are supporting what please you but do not try to support trump without consequences ...

look up the way trump welcomed zelensky and especially the mocking of his clothing ...

you are not the only that wattched the whole but contrary to trump supporters i do believe that zelensky did the right thing and did not signed the famous deal.

but we all know what trump or us signatures means anyway ...

funny in the mean time trump charged 25% on canadian goods except energy ....that will be only +10% but your consumers will pay that as well. maga may not be look so good after those increases ....

And you will hate and disagree with Trump at every turn, no matter what.

If Zelensky returns to the negotiation, and a deal is struck, which begins and end to the war, will your position change?

And how is this different, other than being televised?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...kraine-aid-rcna54592

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
If Zelensky returns to the negotiation, and a deal is struck, which begins and end to the war, will your position change?

A bit naive don't you think Steve? Is the end of the war regardless of the terms the objective? I am guessing you believe that an end of the war with the invader being allowed to keep the territory invaded is okay? Geez, this all sounds so similar to the late 1930's.

Trump’s ‘negotiations’ and agreement’s aren’t worth the handshake that follows them. His deal with Zelenskyy was simply “you give Elon and I your resources, and I give you….nothing.”

Just look at today’s tariff debacle. Trump insisted on scrapping NAFTA and imposing his own USMCA, which he has now blatantly broken.

His word means nothing, and the whole world knows it. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will ever enter into an agreement with the U.S. again, as long as he’s in power.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
If Zelensky returns to the negotiation, and a deal is struck, which begins and end to the war, will your position change?

A bit naive don't you think Steve? Is the end of the war regardless of the terms the objective? I am guessing you believe that an end of the war with the invader being allowed to keep the territory invaded is okay? Geez, this all sounds so similar to the late 1930's.

Mike- I don't possess the answers. But here's the problem as I see it; as it stands, this is a stalemate, period. Throwing more money at it only kills more fathers and sons. I also believe that if Putin feels he may be losing, there will be a nuclear, battlefield style weapon used.

The fact that there are people that want this war to continue, amazes me.

Getting a cease fire, BEFORE the war ends, is the first step. Getting a serious negotiation with both sides at the table is a start.

Replacing American dollars with European dollars doesn't get this any closer to an end. As a matter of fact, Putin may see this as a threat, because now, America isn't supporting it, so he may feel he can escalate without an American reaction.

Why is it so hard to understand, my stance? I think Trump is and was a bully, always have.

But he's the only guy that is making an effort to begin an ending to the war. I'm willing to go down that road and see where it leads.

If France puts boots on the ground, that would in fact be a world war. Is that better than Trump's bullying?

I want a world with no wars (hot), they make no sense in todays world.

“I get the mineral resources, Putin gets the territory, and the war will end!”

No shit. That’s called total surrender, in any man’s language.

Fuck Trump, and fuck his puppet master. The world will do this without the former and despite the latter. The U.S. has cast its lot, and history will be the ultimate judge.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
“I get the mineral resources, Putin gets the territory, and the war will end!”

No shit. That’s called total surrender, in any man’s language.

Fuck Trump, and fuck his puppet master. The world will do this without the former and despite the latter. The U.S. has cast its lot, and history will be the ultimate judge.

no need more answer to steve on that you summed it well ... let s add the value of trump signature ...

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:
I look out the window at the world as it currently is and I don't see it as safer than it was on 19 01 25. It looks the opposite.

Thanks to the Euros getting St. Zelensky to act like a moron…WWIII definitely looms.

St.Zelensky WANTS direct NATO/Russia conflict.

Evidently you and I were watching different meetings.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Keir Starmer outlines their plans, and it's what Trump should have come forth with. But also if you listen, he intentionally uses the same message that Zelensky was trying to get across to Vance and Trump. And it's not insulting or ungracious.

https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1896595075699704110

Now there's not a chance I would have voted for Starmer or his party. But I can put that aside and accept when on issues like this, the correct decision is made.

Likewise I would have been more likely to have voted for trump, But that dosnt mean that everything he does or will do is good.
Blind loyalty is a defect.

Exactly.

I don’t find it incredible or troubling at all that folks would seek to end the war. What I find troubling is that the end of the war seems to be allowing the invader of an independent country to keep his conquest. Sort of seems like you are encouraging that sort of thing. And I also find it troubling that you go into the negotiation by kneecapping the invaded country . . . particularly when the invader has a plethora of problems economically, militarily and socially. Tell me why this does not sound like appeasement. And I refuse to accept the notion that we need to capitulate to any tyrant with nuclear weapons because we are afraid they might use them. Tyrants like North Korea, Pakistan, China and yes, Russia.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I don’t find it incredible or troubling at all that folks would seek to end the war. What I find troubling is that the end of the war seems to be allowing the invader of an independent country to keep his conquest. Sort of seems like you are encouraging that sort of thing. And I also find it troubling that you go into the negotiation by kneecapping the invaded country . . . particularly when the invader has a plethora of problems economically, militarily and socially. Tell me why this does not sound like appeasement. And I refuse to accept the notion that we need to capitulate to any tyrant with nuclear weapons because we are afraid they might use them. Tyrants like North Korea, Pakistan, China and yes, Russia.

Because Russia is now our close ally. They are valiantly struggling to defend their country against Ukrainian aggression, don't you know? From the moment that Ukraine started the war by shooting innocent Russian soldiers, Russia has deserved our support to get the Ukrainian's to compensate them for their troubles. Besides, Donald and Vladimir are sympatico. Bill.

. . . that would be funny if it weren’t actually how the MAGAts think.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

As the meeting blew up (engineered by Schumer)Schumer steps out in front of the camera and throws a fit about the situation he engineered. Classic Democrat.

If you think I am making it all up, just do some research. Zelenski will be back at the table, lesson learned. Only one branch of Government conducts foreign affairs.

Another thing, I watched the entire ~45 minute meeting the first 40 minutes were very important to the last few. I'll bet NONE of you watched it. Context is everything.

https://economictimes.indiatim...8688971.cms?from=mdr

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I'll take a swing at that. Zelinski was guilty of listening to Schumer and others, prior the meeting. He was convinced that not accepting the deal would garner him a better position.

Yep! Grandslam! Out of the park!!!!

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Lane, what did Zelensky do? Because it looks to me that the whole incident was Vances fault when he was caught short and ignorant.

I mean really…what did he do right?

When he came there…he had one mission…secure a friendship with the P & VP. He failed miserably. You don’t come into my home and sit at my kitchen table asking to borrow a cup of sugar and a half-dozen eggs and be arrogant and entitled. You say please and thank you and you act humble. If you can’t…don’t knock on my door. The only thing I would have done differently if I was Vance is put a size 10 in his @$$ going out the door.

I like President Trump. But I really like JD Vance.