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Is the habit being taught to pray standing or seated? Hats off or on? Is only The King James Bible to be held and read or is The New American Standard allowed? If Doc Lane and I are in the same room and our kids in the same class, the agreement would be easy, across the nation not so much. | |||
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Birds of a feather flock together. Different flocks don't usually merge together. And they squabble. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Which room? Church Sunday school class, or public-school class? ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Any room, could be a duck blind pickup truck classroom or church. The point is, on a small scale, neighborhood or community size, these topics are easy to hash out. If the city of Provo Utah wanted to teach LDS in the classroom id figure that's their deal. The goings on in Utah don't necessarily apply in Alaska which is why I think the feds gotta stay out of the church/ state stuff. | |||
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Hi Scott. I tend to agree that the Government needs to stay out of church issues. My whole argument has been that the founders weren't deists, as made popular by the liberals. If you read much of my quotes from The 5000 Year Leap, it proves (in my mind) that they wanted a religious and moral society. they just didn't want a specific religion forced upon them. This forum would be very surprised to know my stance on organized religion. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I think the Feds need to make sure that religion stays out of state stuff. I don't think that public schools in Utah should promote and LDS curriculum, that is what private parochial schools are for. I had enough stuff to rebel against growing up, someone else's religion in school? Doubt I would of graduated. | |||
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As the book says, Everything Trump touches dies !! | |||
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What's a good religion for if not to meddle and interfere with Fed stuff? 
The church should stay out of Government issues. The whole base problem is they don't. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Your whole argument is a loser then. Consider: "The genius of the founding fathers is they understood that Christianity could not only stand on its own but would thrive without being written into the laws and founding documents of the country. In fact, it was likely their own “faith” that led them to this conclusion. Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. Deists believe in a supreme being who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws—and after creation, is absent from the world. This belief in reason over dogma helped guide the founders toward a system of government that respected faiths like Christianity, while purposely isolating both from encroaching on one another so as not to dilute the overall purpose and objectives of either." https://www.americanprogress.o...political%20problems. | |||
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The sentence has two parts. The Founders weren't deists in the sense of God denial. You use the term deist in a pejorative way. If some of them were deists then thank them. de·ism [ˈdēˌizəm, ˈdāˌizəm] noun belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
That's just a lie. I suppose it's to justify something else that's also a lie, and so forth, when boiled down looks like THE problem. To me, with that claim of yours, it looks like you don't know the difference in "made popular" and it is what it is. Also, it may be some sort of projection. Just because Rightists strive to "make popular", lies or whatever, doesn't mean that everyone does it. Thank God they weren't Theists. the·ism [ˈTHēˌizəm] noun belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Roland, ME - - Read the book. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Hmm this news to me. There’s more than 1 Bible? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am not sure of any right or wrong ways — just give the glory to God. That’s the habit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I presume this book
I'll settle for a summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...e_Thousand_Year_Leap The Five Thousand Year Leap: Twenty-Eight Great Ideas That Are Changing the World is a book that was published in 1981 by American Mormon author and attorney W. Cleon Skousen. The book asserts that the United States prospered because it was established upon universal natural law principles that had been passed down from common law and traditional Judeo-Christian morality, as many of the Founding Fathers had been guided by the Bible, among others. Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz disputes the book's claims on taxes, the redistribution of wealth, the separation of church and state, and the "In God We Trust" motto.[4] Wilentz describes The 5,000 Year Leap as "a treatise that assembles selective quotations and groundless assertions to claim that the US Constitution is rooted not in the Enlightenment but in the Bible and that the framers believed in minimal central government."[4] Wilentz categorically disputes those assertions: Either proposition would have astounded James Madison, often described as the guiding spirit behind the Constitution, who rejected state-established religions and, like Alexander Hamilton, proposed a central government so strong that it could veto state laws.[4] Wilentz acknowledges that the Founding Fathers rejected what Samuel Adams denounced as "utopian schemes of leveling," but he notes that some of the Founding Fathers were quite pragmatic when it came to policy specifics. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Come now ME, Wikipedia? hahahahaha. You're far better than that. "assemblies of selective quotations." Like the Federalist Papers?  Beyond that, I learned volumes about the decisions made, and why they made them in crafting the founding documents. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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No! She's not! Quit fooling yourself. Mangina,is an idiot, plain and simple. Responding to her idiocy just gives her a reason for existence.... She has nothing else..... | |||
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Well, Steve, I think the claim is: "The book asserts that the United States prospered because it was established upon universal natural law principles that had been passed down from common law and traditional Judeo-Christian morality, as many of the Founding Fathers had been guided by the Bible" --- "assertions to claim that the US Constitution is rooted not in the Enlightenment but in the Bible". I think the argument from the religious side these days is that the root of the constitution is the Bible, not the Enlightenment, like the two "roots" are mutually exclusive. I don't see the practical conflict. I think both the Enlightenment or pragmatism AND the Bible "guided" and influenced the Founders. I can't figure another explanation for why they INTENTIONALLY chose for the constitution to be secular. Here's a few things, ideas, that I take for granted, maybe facts. Both religion and the associated dogma, beliefs, etc. AND government are human constructs. The religion is constructed to supposedly serve God and his will, and indirectly and secondarily society of fellow humans, and thirdly nature. Secular Government is constructed supposedly to serve the society of fellow humans of which nature is integral. I've given the definitions of Deist and Theist above. It's God's intervention that's the difference. The Founder's chose the deist path which accounts for the secular constitution. Theist Founders would have chosen to make a constitution acknowledging GOD's WILL. The Rule of Law vs the Rule of Man has several distinctions. Since religion is a construct of man , then inserting it in a constitution or rule of law puts the service to God's Will foremost, whatever that's interpreted to be, by those in charge of the interpretations, which obviously vary. In which case, service to humanity is secondary. The difference in that form of Rule of Man compared to the Rule of Law is the latter services man without the Dogma and varying interpretations, or the supposed will of a deity. The Rule of Law presumes no deity intervention. The Rule of Man assumes deity intervention to the core. Here's some definitions: The rule of law is a political situation where the law applies to everyone, while the rule of man is when a person or group of people have arbitrary power Rule of law A political situation where laws are clear, reasonable, and stable, and are applied consistently across society. The rule of law is closely related to constitutionalism Rule of man A political situation where one person or group of people have arbitrary power, and the law is absent. The rule of man is associated with lawlessness The framers of the U.S. Constitution addressed the problem of the rule of man by dividing power among the three branches of government: legislative, executive, and judicial. This system is known as the separation of powers. Rule of man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_man James Harrington would go on to pen the phrase "a government of laws and not of men" in 1656,[19] which in turn found its way into the Constitution of Massachusetts where John Adams was the principal author.[20][21] In the 1803 Marbury v. Madison U.S Supreme Court case, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote "The government of the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men."[20][22] In 1977, a former Supreme Court of India judge, Hans Raj Khanna stated in a speech,[23] Ever since the beginning of civilisation, two conflicting viewpoints, rule of men or rule of law, have competed for acceptance. Although each school of thought has not lacked in its votaries, in the aggregate the thinking has been in favour of the rule of law. On occasions we have slipped back into government by will only to return again sadder and wiser to the rule of law when hard facts of human nature demonstrated the selfishness and egotism of man and the truth of the dictum that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Rule of law is now the accepted norm in all civilised societies. Even if there have been deviations from the rule of law, such deviations have been covert and disguised, for no government in a civilised country is prepared to accept the ignominy of governing without the rule of law. — Justice Hans Raj Khanna, 1977 As dependent and overlapping notions Laws, and the rule of law, is not isolated from man and the rule of man. There are a number of overlaps between the rule of man and the rule of law. Considering the rule of law and rule of man as independent opposites results in a paradox Central to the operation of the rule of law... was a conceptual framing of the 'rule of law' and the 'rule of man' as oppositional notions, a paradoxical framing suggesting ... that law somehow stood apart from the realm of everyday power. Yet law was deeply dependent on the state (staffed by men), and on the operation of state power. ======================================== As a side note, here's something related that I didn't intend to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie# ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. 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Here's the thing, I didn't read the book for confirmation bias, it changed my mind. You see, I am not a religious man...period. But that doesn't mean the founders didn't see the forming of a new nation through a religion prism. There can be no denying that. I am not sure of the reluctance for others to read this fascinating work. Without looking it up, how many can explain why the Great Seal Of the Untied States is what it is? Or why the Eagle holds what it does? Do you even care? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I've explained my view about that, and I think Religious people are missing the point, which is the prism certainly could have been rose colored with religion, but they were Enlightened.  Many religious people today are indoctrinated not enlightened. Edited: And they don't even know the difference, especially regarding the Founders, in context, yet these indoctrinated idiots claim to be originalists and constitutionalists. Here's an oxymoron to ponder: A theist claiming the secular constitution is Biblical. Or is that just Orwellian Doublethink? "In George Orwell's dystopian classic 1984, doublethink is the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely. Doublethink requires using logic against logic or suspending disbelief in the contradiction." ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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From the most indoctrinated idiot on the internet  | |||
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You must be joking. Go read a whole book? Because you say so? How about quoting a key section--like I did with my authority. | |||
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You should get out more, a shame to see you lead such a sheltered life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...h_Bible_translations I still don't subscribe to your version of Christianity, nor will I ever, but I support your right to follow your beliefs, no matter how misguided they may be. | |||
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Different translations are not the same thing as a different book. They all say the same thing. When I study on a specific scripture passage…I often read a variety of translations and ponder those translations into common language today as to the likely situation at the time to help me get the fullest understanding of God’s message. Thus, your original post of saying “your Bible” was different from “my Bible” has to be one of the more ignorant posts I have encountered on AR — even the ARPF where ignorance is commonly and proudly displayed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Are you sure that the Rastafarian version is the same as the King James version? | |||
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You speak as though enlightenment was a revelation against the belief in God. Does this portray such a concept?
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"Benjamin Franklin signed the Constitution because he believed that despite its imperfections, it was the best possible solution to unify the states and create a functional government, prioritizing the greater goal of national unity over specific disagreements he might have had with certain aspects of the document; he famously stated that he agreed with the Constitution "with all its faults" as he felt a unified government was necessary for the country to thrive." "Franklin served from 1776 to 1778 on a commission to France charged with the critical task of gaining French support for American independence. French aristocrats and intellectuals embraced Franklin as the personification of the New World Enlightenment." "The Enlightenment was an intellectual movement that challenged political authorities in Europe and colonial rule in the Americas. It took place in the late 17th and 18th centuries, characterized by political and social movements" ================================ https://www.npr.org/sections/1...-a-new-enlightenment What The World Needs Now Is A New Enlightenment July 16, 20144:55 PM ET (excerpt) Something quite extraordinary happened in Europe during the 17th and 18th centuries: the diversified intellectual explosion called the Enlightenment. Philosophers, natural scientists (the divide between the two wasn't that wide then), artists and political scientists created a revolution in thought based on equal rights for men the freedom to reason without constraint. ...the core message of the Enlightenment was the need to create a global civilization with shared moral values. This overarching intellectual framework was far removed from traditional religious precepts. In fact, the Enlightenment declared war on the excesses of religion and blind nationalism. ... Human reason, that leads us to comprehend our place in the universe, leads us also toward a new moral imperative, perfectly secular in its values: the equality of all creatures and the preservation of life and of this planet. ========================================== Age of Enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...#Society_and_culture (excerpt) In the 1947 book Dialectic of Enlightenment, Frankfurt School philosophers Max Horkheimer and Theodor W. Adorno argue: Enlightenment, understood in the widest sense as the advance of thought, has always aimed at liberating human beings from fear and installing them as masters. Yet the wholly enlightened earth radiates under the sign of disaster triumphant. One of the primary elements of the culture of the Enlightenment was the rise of the public sphere, a "realm of communication marked by new arenas of debate... The creation of the public sphere has been associated with two long-term historical trends: the rise of the modern nation state and the rise of capitalism. The modern nation state in its consolidation of public power created by counterpoint a private realm of society independent of the state, which allowed for the public sphere. Capitalism also increased society's autonomy and self-awareness, as well as an increasing need for the exchange of information. As the nascent public sphere expanded, it embraced a large variety of institutions, and the most commonly cited were coffee houses and cafés, salons and the literary public sphere, figuratively localized in the Republic of Letters.[175] In France, the creation of the public sphere was helped by the aristocracy's move from the king's palace at Versailles to Paris in about 1720, since their rich spending stimulated the trade in luxuries and artistic creations, especially fine paintings. The word "public" implies the highest level of inclusivity—the public sphere by definition should be open to all. However, this sphere was only public to relative degrees. Enlightenment thinkers frequently contrasted their conception of the "public" with that of the people: Condorcet contrasted "opinion" with populace, Marmontel "the opinion of men of letters" with "the opinion of the multitude" and d'Alembert the "truly enlightened public" with "the blind and noisy multitude."[179] Additionally, most institutions of the public sphere excluded both women and the lower classes. ======================================================= https://www.historytools.org/s...of-the-enlightenment The Dawn of Reason: The Beginnings of the Enlightenment by history tools May 25, 2024 (excerpt) The Enlightenment, also known as the Age of Reason, was a pivotal period in human history that emerged in the late 17th and 18th centuries. This intellectual and cultural movement transformed the way people understood the world and their place in it, emphasizing the power of human reason, individual liberty, and the pursuit of progress. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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You mean like the ones I did? George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, the Northwest Ordinance, they all speak exactly to the issue of religions role in American society AND government. But there's far more to the book. Is shows how heavily the founders leaned on the Leviticus for guidance. Or right down to how and why the Great Seal of the United States was picked. It fills in so many gaps about the building of this great Nation. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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You contradict yourself. Different translations are actually different books. I have a friend here in DLG that stopped attending the Independent Baptist Church and started attending the Southern Baptist Church because the Independent refused to acknowledge or use a translation other than The King James. I have been told of Catholic congregations that insist Mass must be conducted in Latin. You said above that you read a "variety of translations" This discussion in the easiest example of why government should stay out of religion.. | |||
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The ONE gap you haven't filled, despite all the content of that book, is that the Founders chose to make the constitution secular. Are you arguing that the founders had no distinction re deist vs theist? The constitution itself is evidence that they did have such distinction, and they chose THE founding document from a Deist POV. You can argue all around that, but it remains "is what it is". The constitution does not presume the intervention of God. The religious zealots today desperately want to change that to a theist POV. It's a broad scope fundamental change that they want. It changes such things as allegiance and relationships. Most importantly, IMO, it changes the national allegiance and relationship to verifiable truths. We already see much effect of that in the acceptance of Trump's lies as truth. There is no bottom to that rabbit hole. The rule of law in theory is based on verifiable truth. In effect the zealot's change in fundamental principle is to the rule of man and associated belief in fiction. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Agreed. But in the context of your use…you insinuate that it moved the Founders away from the beliefs of Christianity…which it did not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Do any of them have different titles or authors? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I actually agree with the purest sense of that^^^statement. It should stay totally out, as in not have any sort of opinion or governance there of. Religion should never arise above the state level in governance and is best dealt with at the county level. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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There is a lot of scholarship on who we thought various authors of certain books are not who we once thought. The best example is Mo one believes Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Who wrote them were scribes from an oral tradition. There is no way Moses could have written the first 5 if the narrative timeline is accepted as big T truth. | |||
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That's ignorance speaking. You ever read a Catholic Bible? How about a Mormon Bible? | |||
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Exactly! You paying attention, Steve A? Regardless of their individual beliefs, the telling fact is they wrote a secular Constitution that forbids religion in government. | |||
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The Mormon’s don’t have a Bible. They do have The Book of Mormon and use the regular Bible. The Catholics use a bible entitled The Catholic Bible by Saint Joseph. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The nation prospered or at least did okay for over 200 years "because it was established upon universal natural law principles that had been passed down from common law and traditional Judeo-Christian morality" AND "many of the Founding Fathers had been guided by the Bible". The Founding Fathers wrote a constitution that is secular. You can't fill that gap because there is no "gap". They can be true at the same time with no contradiction. It's not doublethink. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Do the Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Holy Roller Snake Handlers, and Islamists all believe in the same God? "Many mainstream Muslims believe they worship the same God as Christians and Jews. The Catholic Church has also taught that Muslims and Christians worship the same God." ================================================= Islamism is a neologism[1] that refers to religious and political ideological movements that believe that Islam should influence political systems.[2] Its proponents believe Islam is innately political, and that Islam as a political system is superior to communism, liberal democracy, capitalism, and other alternatives in achieving a just, successful society.[3] A Theist Democracy is a form of illiberal democracy. The term "illiberal democracy" describes a governing system that hides its "nondemocratic practices behind formally democratic institutions and procedures".[1] There is a lack of consensus among experts about the exact definition of illiberal democracy or whether it even exists.[2] The rulers of an illiberal democracy may ignore or bypass constitutional limits on their power.[3] While liberal democracies protect individual rights and freedoms, illiberal democracies do not.[4] Elections in an illiberal democracy are often manipulated or rigged, being used to legitimize and consolidate the incumbent rather than to choose the country's leaders and policies. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well, if you are a Christian, you believe God and Jesus are one. Jesus according to orthodox Christianity was not a created being. Therefore, to accept God but deny Jesus is to not believe in God that Christians believe in. | |||
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