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JTEX
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Not hearing much about this on the MSM?

Windmills sure are killing a lot of animals.....
 
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Whales are so yesterday JTEX!!!

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Prove it. Not just your fossil fuel addled conspiracy crap, either.
 
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It's the fishing nets that are causing it. There are almost no offshore windmills yet.

More disinformation for little minds.
 
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Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


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They had the same thing happen when the navy was testing sonar to close to shores. The animal rights group lobbied against that and the Navy conceded.
 
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


I am very involved with the USFWS. Please show me the hard numbers about about Whale Deaths on the East coast over the past 25 years and then compare that to the use of sonar for wind turbines.

I've seen the numbers for both the US and Pacific areas.

Then look at the whale deaths where they are caught in nets, fishing bouys, and other strikes from large container ships and come back with proof.

Many whales are dying. BUT not from Sonar.

Don
 
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


Yeah, it’s gotta be the windmills… Roll Eyes

Sonar systems—first developed by the U.S. Navy to detect enemy submarines generate slow-rolling sound waves topping out at around 235 decibels; the world's loudest rock bands top out at only 130. There is substantial correlated evidence that mass strandings of lesser whales and porpoises occur in conjunction with military submarine activity within 100 kms of the event.

But let’s blame the “Enviro whackos” and the windmills. I’m beginning to think that if a Trumpite ever uttered a honest and truthful sentence it would choke to death.
 
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It took just a moment to find several websites, like livescience.com. They tell about whale strandings and death,from navy sonar. The navy admitting to it.
Why can it happen with the navy, but not sonar for sounding windfarm areas?
 
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It took just a moment to find several websites, like livescience.com. They tell about whale strandings and death,from navy sonar. The navy admitting to it.
Why can it happen with the navy, but not sonar for sounding windfarm areas?


Sonar for bottom soundings probably use 0.001% of the blasts that submarine echo location uses.

How powerful is the Garmin/Lowrance/Humminbird sounder on your motor boat? Mine uses about 800 watts and picks out pail-sized objects at 1500’ in freshwater and at 600-800’ in salt water. I doubt there are any windmills placed in 800’ of water.

You’re comparing a .22 LR to a .460 Weatherby.
 
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Aspen Hill Adventures
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


I am very involved with the USFWS. Please show me the hard numbers about about Whale Deaths on the East coast over the past 25 years and then compare that to the use of sonar for wind turbines.

I've seen the numbers for both the US and Pacific areas.

Then look at the whale deaths where they are caught in nets, fishing bouys, and other strikes from large container ships and come back with proof.

Many whales are dying. BUT not from Sonar.

Don


Don, do you know if there are more than 'usual' with whale deaths lately? They seem to be newsworthy item lately. I claim nothing, just pointed out what I have seen reported.

I have been under the impression that fishing vessels are less than in the past due to regs and loss of fish stocks. So that would leave all the container ships from china. Stop buying from china and save the whales?


~Ann





 
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Aspen Hill Adventures
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


Yeah, it’s gotta be the windmills… Roll Eyes

Sonar systems—first developed by the U.S. Navy to detect enemy submarines generate slow-rolling sound waves topping out at around 235 decibels; the world's loudest rock bands top out at only 130. There is substantial correlated evidence that mass strandings of lesser whales and porpoises occur in conjunction with military submarine activity within 100 kms of the event.

But let’s blame the “Enviro whackos” and the windmills. I’m beginning to think that if a Trumpite ever uttered a honest and truthful sentence it would choke to death.


You have pretty low reading comprehension. I mentioned what I have seen reported. No where have I said it was my data. In fact, the sonar issue was being reported by a professed enviro-wacko person. What is the truth? I doubt we will ever know. The truth doesn't pay.


~Ann





 
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Some say caused by sonar used for seeking out wind farm sites.

Others say it's all by vessel collisions.

Vessels never seemed to have been causing so many deaths in the past but suddenly now? There is obviously other issues going on.

You won't get the enviro-wackos to admit anything concerning their 'green' efforts.


I am very involved with the USFWS. Please show me the hard numbers about about Whale Deaths on the East coast over the past 25 years and then compare that to the use of sonar for wind turbines.

I've seen the numbers for both the US and Pacific areas.

Then look at the whale deaths where they are caught in nets, fishing bouys, and other strikes from large container ships and come back with proof.

Many whales are dying. BUT not from Sonar.

Don


Don, do you know if there are more than 'usual' with whale deaths lately? They seem to be newsworthy item lately. I claim nothing, just pointed out what I have seen reported.

I have been under the impression that fishing vessels are less than in the past due to regs and loss of fish stocks. So that would leave all the container ships from china. Stop buying from china and save the whales?


Ann, the latest analysis done on North Atlantic Right whales shows documented deaths are MOST of the deaths are caused by rope entanglements and vessel strikes.

Trust the science:

Marine life distress 2017-2023
 
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Rope and vessel strikes would show up. The whale they showed today being buried had no visable injury, according to the report.
Ann is right about one thing, if any truth to the sonar bit, it will be buried.
Tumbleweed
The navy has admitted to whale strandings from their sonar use. Not submarines by the way.
If you want to argue with the Navy, be my guest.
 
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