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Originally posted by ledvm:
…stop labeling Trump as a fascist and his supporters a cult.

Neither are true and doing so only demonstrates lack of acuity or the incapacity to comprehend (willfully or unwittingly) the vision of half of America for America.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
…stop labeling Trump as a fascist and his supporters a cult.

Neither are true and doing so only demonstrates lack of acuity or the incapacity to comprehend (willfully or unwittingly) the vision of half of America for America.

In other words..Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated…

Well, fuck your Fascist vision. Go shine your jackboots and practice your stiff arm salute while others figure out a way to remain free.

Submitting to Trumps New World Order doesn’t appeal to everyone. He IS a Fascist, and you ARE in a cult, and denying it changes nothing. Your thinking echoes the rationale behind yesteryears SS and Gestapo.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
H....Our enemies. Russia, Iran, N Korea, China. etc like nothing better that your brand of bullshit..Meant to divide, and sow disontent and mistrust...So...Which one are you working for?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It's people like your buddy 4WD who make reconciliation impossible.

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As they said in the Army, you salute the uniform (in his case, the office) not the individual.

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Spare us your false collegiality.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Spare us your false collegiality.

You don't know what that word means, do you?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What if such label, fascist, comes from the capacity and acuity to comprehend?

It doesn’t. Fact. You are a divisionist.

And why would a label be the cause in the effect of division?



If that were logical, then labeling liberals as the enemy within would have the same effect.

Not at all. Liberals call themselves liberals. It is their label and correct. It is a fact that liberalism is the enemy of America — just as it was of the Roman Empire.

No, really you're just saying fall in line you leftists vermin, or suffer the price. Even in line, you're still the enemy within, and always will be to our tribe.

Your words not mine. I am a live and let live person.

This is really a righteous version of "Look at what you made me do. Don't make me hurt you some more."



Kevin Roberts told the truth when he said this is a second American Revolution and it will be bloodless, if the left allows it. He also said we will win.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...fb68655e714ac&ei=333

The illusion of Donald Trump and the fourth founding of America
Story by Chauncey DeVega • 35m • 7 min read

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Here's an article written in ancient history.

The average empire survives for 250 years: Is America at death's door?
by ARMSTRONG WILLIAMSMon, December 27th 2021 at 9:00 AM

https://thenationaldesk.com/ne...erica-at-deaths-door

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
…stop labeling Trump as a fascist and his supporters a cult.

Neither are true and doing so only demonstrates lack of acuity or the incapacity to comprehend (willfully or unwittingly) the vision of half of America for America.

In other words..Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated…

Well, fuck your Fascist vision. Go shine your jackboots and practice your stiff arm salute while others figure out a way to remain free.

Submitting to Trumps New World Order doesn’t appeal to everyone. He IS a Fascist, and you ARE in a cult, and denying it changes nothing. Your thinking echoes the rationale behind yesteryears SS and Gestapo.

Well said.

Trump is not my president. I'll resist Trump, Trumpism, and his cult followers to my last breath.

On the bright side, at least we'll have no shortage of material to post about.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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As they said in the Army, you salute the uniform (in his case, the office) not the individual.

I am not and have never been in the army.

I salute those who deserve respect.

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Neither learned anything last night.

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Ok, then as a lawyer, you say your honor and are respectful regardless of who is wearing the black robe.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You can call someone judge or you can call someone your honor.

Want to insult a judge free of direct ramifications, call that person judge.

I respect the results of this election. I do not respect President Elect Trumps

I remember a scene from Kingdom of Heaven.

Tiberius after unsuccessfully trying to stop his political opponent (and bad choice) from becoming King, attends the coronation (in real life I think Raymond refused to attend). Tiberius is last to join the chant with only one low, when the chant brings him out of thought at what he sees., “ Long live the King.”

Long Live President Elect Trump and his GOP.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Neither learned anything last night.

On the contrary, I learned that Saeed is right about American voters.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Those folks are citizens and belong in the U.S. as much as anyone.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Neither learned anything last night.

On the contrary, I learned that Saeed is right about American voters.

Including you?
Sorry Dude, Bar made a mistake to let you have a license sounds like

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Those folks are citizens and belong in the U.S. as much as anyone.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
…stop labeling Trump as a fascist and his supporters a cult.

Neither are true and doing so only demonstrates lack of acuity or the incapacity to comprehend (willfully or unwittingly) the vision of half of America for America.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What if such label, fascist, comes from the capacity and acuity to comprehend?

It doesn’t. Fact. You are a divisionist.

And why would a label be the cause in the effect of division?

If that were logical, then labeling liberals as the enemy within would have the same effect.

Not at all. Liberals call themselves liberals. It is their label and correct. It is a fact that liberalism is the enemy of America — just as it was of the Roman Empire.

No, really you're just saying fall in line you leftists vermin, or suffer the price. Even in line, you're still the enemy within, and always will be to our tribe.

Your words not mine. I am a live and let live person.

This is really a righteous version of "Look at what you made me do. Don't make me hurt you some more."

Kevin Roberts told the truth when he said this is a second American Revolution and it will be bloodless, if the left allows it. He also said we will win.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What if such label, fascist, comes from the capacity and acuity to comprehend?

It doesn’t. Fact. You are a divisionist.

And why would a label be the cause in the effect of division?

If that were logical, then labeling liberals as the enemy within would have the same effect.

Not at all. Liberals call themselves liberals. It is their label and correct. It is a fact that liberalism is the enemy of America — just as it was of the Roman Empire.

No, really you're just saying fall in line you leftists vermin, or suffer the price. Even in line, you're still the enemy within, and always will be to our tribe.

Your words not mine. I am a live and let live person.

This is really a righteous version of "Look at what you made me do. Don't make me hurt you some more."

Kevin Roberts told the truth when he said this is a second American Revolution and it will be bloodless, if the left allows it. He also said we will win.

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"It is a fact that liberalism is the enemy of America"

That about sums it up for your POV.

So, I can infer that you think illiberalism (or anti-liberalism) is what America is about, presently and historically.
I don't want to waste time with the study or rehash of history with you. But "liberalism" is fundamental within the Founding principles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...tes#Early_liberalism

Sure, it has "evolved"



Evolved!?



Totally certifiably nuts! That’s not evolution. Things evolve to the better.

but so has conservativism. But I think the liberalism of yesteryear hasn't morphed into a monster, and conservativism has so morphed.

I disagree somewhat with LHeym in his views on fascism, and definitions.

There are far more similarities with so-deemed fascism compared with Trumpism than significant differences.

That^^^makes you a nut…plain and simple…no way around it. There is zero about Trump or his followers, other than nationalism, that is even remotely similar to fascism.


And as you once said, "I don't give a rat's ass" if the label fascist offends. If the shoe fits.

That’s just it. It doesn’t. If you think it does…you are a nut.

I don't mean to use that word alone pejoratively. I use it descriptively based on evidence observed.

Now, here's an example of both pejoratively and descriptively:

Again based on evidence, specifically Trump's behavior at a recent rally, on camera, in front of the world and fake news, he made the gestures of giving a blow job using the microphone as a prop.

So now I can refer to Trump as a fascist cock sucker with some degree of accuracy, based on evidence.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I've never called Trump a fascist.

One intelligent statement.

For one thing, he's not smart or competent enough to be effective at fascism. Not that he doesn't have it in his heart to try. I guess we'll find out if he's learned enough from his buddies Putin and Kim to do better with his second chance.

His hardcore followers so precisely resemble cult members

One nutty one.

that anyone could be forgiven for confusing them as such. I will continue to call them what they are.

He also has a lot of supporters who don't qualify for the cult--because in their hearts, they despise him--but were still misguided enough to vote for him anyway.

"See? I told you!" -- I expect to be saying that a lot over the next four years.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Further, if you did not learn this point last night…you’re not educable.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Evolve
vs
Devolve (as in deteriorate, degenerate, fall apart)

So, I used the wrong word. But you understood what I meant anyway.

And the election results do not vindicate you or prove your points, which are that Trumpism is wholesome and good for the Nation.

It damn sure proves one thing. More people agree with me than you.

He/it is or isn't based on outcomes and a lot on what he says and does, and support thereof.

WE're not going to agree on the fascist label.

Because you are a nut. It is really not even debatable among the sane.

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"Not educatable"? Let's pause and have a moment of "wow" to give self-reflection some room.

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And the election results do not vindicate you or prove your points, which are that Trumpism is wholesome and good for the Nation.

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It damn sure proves one thing. More people agree with me than you.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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"Not educatable"? Let's pause and have a moment of "wow" to give self-reflection some room.

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And the election results do not vindicate you or prove your points, which are that Trumpism is wholesome and good for the Nation.

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It damn sure proves one thing. More people agree with me than you.

You are making a big assumption, which is "Trumpism is wholesome and good" and that's the reason he won.

I do believe that. Just not arguing the election numbers prove that per se — just that the majority agree with my selection.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Keven Roberts and all the co-authors of Project 2025 and Heritage Foundation agree with you, in every way.

Oh well, you (plural) won. The path is cleared of the liberal debris. Have at it.

I can't stop you, but I'm damned sure not going to agree with you.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would still enjoy an outing with you on a desolate stretch of river, a flat-bottom boat, some lines, and a live-well full of small bluegill.

As long as we avoided politics and only shared yellow cat catching wisdom.