Metting Between Trump and Zelenskyy Descends Into a Shouting Match

01 March 2025, 03:38

Steve Bertram

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Originally posted by medved:
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
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Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
I think none of us are comment because we are just sitting back and watching the echo chamber this thread has become.

That meeting was off the hook terrible. For both sides.

It was terrible for both sides and I am willing to bet it is o w if the most used pieces of anti Trump propaganda during the mid-terms.

Great day for Putin though comrade!

at least if some people hidden somewhere had no clue: it is now the time to find out who the usa is sidding with ...

This American is disgusted by Trump's betrayal of our allies, make no mistake about it.

01 March 2025, 03:39

RolandtheHeadless

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I am willing to bet it is o w if the most used pieces of anti Trump propaganda during the mid-terms.

It's not propaganda if it's all true.

01 March 2025, 03:43

medved

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
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Originally posted by medved:
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
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Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
I think none of us are comment because we are just sitting back and watching the echo chamber this thread has become.

That meeting was off the hook terrible. For both sides.

It was terrible for both sides and I am willing to bet it is o w if the most used pieces of anti Trump propaganda during the mid-terms.

Great day for Putin though comrade!

at least if some people hidden somewhere had no clue: it is now the time to find out who the usa is sidding with ...

This American is disgusted by Trump's betrayal of our allies, make no mistake about it.

well i do hope on that one that you are right .... because the trump betrayal is not really new and have been here for a while ...

01 March 2025, 03:45

Steve Bertram

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Originally posted by medved:
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
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Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
I think none of us are comment because we are just sitting back and watching the echo chamber this thread has become.

That meeting was off the hook terrible. For both sides.

It was terrible for both sides and I am willing to bet it is o w if the most used pieces of anti Trump propaganda during the mid-terms.

Great day for Putin though comrade!

at least if some people hidden somewhere had no clue: it is now the time to find out who the usa is sidding with ...

This American is disgusted by Trump's betrayal of our allies, make no mistake about it.

well i do hope on that one that you are right .... because the trump betrayal is not really new and have been here for a while ...

So true, I called this shit after Trump's first impeachment. It was obvious to anyone listening to the trail that the SOB is nothing but a mob boss, criminal through and through.

01 March 2025, 03:48

Jayhawker2022

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . speaking of preoccupations, you seem preoccupied with trying to express everything is some sexual connotation. Maybe you need to get out more.

I was just fixing to point that out.

Kind LF creepifying.

01 March 2025, 03:55

jeffeosso

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . speaking of preoccupations, you seem preoccupied with trying to express everything is some sexual connotation. Maybe you need to get out more.

just matching you, tone for tone -- self-reflection moment?

01 March 2025, 04:11

Jefffive

Perhaps the most amazing part of the whole shitshow is that among the press was a reporter from the Russian State News Agency TASS, who was NOT accredited to be there and was apparently escorted out by the Press Secretary.

There are lots of places in the world you are not supposed to be able to enter without proper authorization; the Oval Office used to be among them.

01 March 2025, 04:15

Tumbleweed

I’m told that incredibly stupid “why aren’t you wearing a suit” attack came from Marjorie Taylor Greens shack up.

That whole debacle was embarrassing, but revealing. The Trump White House didn’t make any effort whatever to conceal casting their lot with Putin.

01 March 2025, 04:27

Jefffive

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’m told that incredibly stupid “why aren’t you wearing a suit” attack came from Marjorie Taylor Greens shack up.

That whole debacle was embarrassing, but revealing. The Trump White House didn’t make any effort whatever to conceal casting their lot with Putin.

But Musk wearing a tee-shirt and ball cap in the Oval Office and Cabinet meetings is fine.

01 March 2025, 04:42

wymple

While trump sucks Putin's dick, some members in here are just waiting their turn. Without any character to be embarrassed about it.

01 March 2025, 04:42

medved

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’m told that incredibly stupid “why aren’t you wearing a suit” attack came from Marjorie Taylor Greens shack up.

That whole debacle was embarrassing, but revealing. The Trump White House didn’t make any effort whatever to conceal casting their lot with Putin.

But Musk wearing a tee-shirt and ball cap in the Oval Office and Cabinet meetings is fine.

Do what I say, not what I do

01 March 2025, 04:45

Mike Mitchell

Where are the trumptards who agree that the United States of America now utilizes Putin's talkin points on Ukraine?

I keep wondering where they all are....you voted for this fucking guy. Speak up?

We're now Russia's partner in invading Ukraine?

Let's hear it.

You traitorous mother fuckers.

Sound off.

01 March 2025, 04:50

wymple

"You traitorous mother fuckers."

Giving them too much credit

01 March 2025, 04:52

Mike Mitchell

They're not even willing to speak up.

Too stupid or embarrassed to even comment on what they have brought about.

01 March 2025, 05:01

Steve Bertram

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
They're not even willing to speak up.

Too stupid or embarrassed to even comment on what they have brought about.

What would Reagan think?

Bueller? Bueller??

Nothing....naddda. Tough to reconcile supporting Reagan's life work fighting the Russians and Trump's capitulation.

01 March 2025, 05:18

JTEX

I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome of this meeting.....

Zelinsky showed up to a meeting with the leader of the free world dressed like some kind of hipster.......great show of respect for the office.....if not the President....

Zelinsky wanted to debate????? For what???? More handouts????

Yall, you leftists tell me how this ends?

We keep sending money, people keep dying......Trump is trying to end the dying. That's a bad thing?

Do you see Putin giving up? Do you see the Russian people removing vlad?

Zelensky challenged trump in front of the press???? How did that knucklehead think that was gonna work out? Confronting Donald Trump when you want support....is stupid.

Zelenskis ambassador seemed awfully proud......

CNN and their talking points, be damned.

Who's volunteering for WWIII?

Yeah I know.....I'm a Russian troll.....morons (in advance).

01 March 2025, 05:21

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome of this meeting.....

Zelinsky showed up to a meeting with the leader of the free world dressed like some kind of hipster.......great show of respect for the office.....if not the President....

Zelinsky wanted to debate????? For what???? More handouts????

Yall, you leftists tell me how this ends?

We keep sending money, people keep dying......Trump is trying to end the dying. That's a bad thing?

Do you see Putin giving up? Do you see the Russian people removing vlad?

Zelensky challenged trump in front of the press???? How did that knucklehead think that was gonna work out? Confronting Donald Trump when you want support....is stupid.

Zelenskis ambassador seemed awfully proud......

CNN and their talking points, be damned.

Who's volunteering for WWIII?

Yeah I know.....I'm a Russian troll.....morons (in advance).

Poor Dumb Jim. You're right. Let's let Putin win. Moron. Who cares? Let him invade any country he wants and trump will suck his dick while he does it. You are on board.

We're Putin allies going forward. He is rejoicing. And, I guess you are too.

I remember a time when the United States acted in response to totalitarian aggression. When we resisted Russian aggression.

No more, I guess, eh?

You suck Russian cock, just like trump.

Be proud.

01 March 2025, 05:23

Jefffive

If only somebody had warned us...

Link

01 March 2025, 05:27

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome of this meeting.....

Zelinsky showed up to a meeting with the leader of the free world dressed like some kind of hipster.......great show of respect for the office.....if not the President....

Zelinsky wanted to debate????? For what???? More handouts????

Yall, you leftists tell me how this ends?

We keep sending money, people keep dying......Trump is trying to end the dying. That's a bad thing?

Do you see Putin giving up? Do you see the Russian people removing vlad?

Zelensky challenged trump in front of the press???? How did that knucklehead think that was gonna work out? Confronting Donald Trump when you want support....is stupid.

Zelenskis ambassador seemed awfully proud......

CNN and their talking points, be damned.

Who's volunteering for WWIII?

Yeah I know.....I'm a Russian troll.....morons (in advance).

The "Leader of the Free World" was in that room but he wasn't wearing a suit.

Is it disrespectful when Elon Musk doesn't wear a suit in the Oval Office?

And there are worse things than dying to keep your Country free.

Trump and Vance parroted Putin's talking points verbatim; lots of vodka being poured in Moscow.

You're not a Russian troll, just a useful idiot.

01 March 2025, 05:31

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome of this meeting.....

Zelinsky showed up to a meeting with the leader of the free world dressed like some kind of hipster.......great show of respect for the office.....if not the President....

Zelinsky wanted to debate????? For what???? More handouts????

Yall, you leftists tell me how this ends?

We keep sending money, people keep dying......Trump is trying to end the dying. That's a bad thing?

Do you see Putin giving up? Do you see the Russian people removing vlad?

Zelensky challenged trump in front of the press???? How did that knucklehead think that was gonna work out? Confronting Donald Trump when you want support....is stupid.

Zelenskis ambassador seemed awfully proud......

CNN and their talking points, be damned.

Who's volunteering for WWIII?

Yeah I know.....I'm a Russian troll.....morons (in advance).

You mean Zelenskyy showed up dressed like Musk?? That’s rich…..Black hat, black jacket, black T shirt? That’s proper for the Oval Office? It must be tiring trying to defend the indefensible… Trump has succeeded making the US look like a short bus of idiots in only a month. Putin is laughing his ass off while Trump is busy under Putin’s desk…

01 March 2025, 05:48

MJines

I was going to say the same thing. Musk runs around in a T-shirt and a baseball cap, in the Oval Office and in Cabinet meetings, but that is fine. Hypocritical to say the least. And speaking of hypocrites, when the US withdrew from Afghanistan, the Administration was resoundly (and rightfully) criticized for abandoning the mission and Afghans that had supported the US. Here the US abandons an ally, pisses on its NATO allies, sells out to the Russians and the MAGAts either sit by with their lips sealed or complain about the fact that Zelenskyy dressed for the meeting like Musk dresses everyday. If this is Making America Great Again you can stick it.

01 March 2025, 06:02

wymple

"You're not a Russian troll, just a useful idiot."

Both

01 March 2025, 06:13

Magine Enigam

Trump invited Zelenskyy for a setup to show Putin he loves him.

At the end or shortly thereafter Trump said something like "great television".

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Degenerate 1:3
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01 March 2025, 06:18

RolandtheHeadless

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome of this meeting.....

Zelinsky showed up to a meeting with the leader of the free world dressed like some kind of hipster.......great show of respect for the office.....if not the President....

Zelinsky wanted to debate????? For what???? More handouts????

Yall, you leftists tell me how this ends?

We keep sending money, people keep dying......Trump is trying to end the dying. That's a bad thing?

Do you see Putin giving up? Do you see the Russian people removing vlad?

Zelensky challenged trump in front of the press???? How did that knucklehead think that was gonna work out? Confronting Donald Trump when you want support....is stupid.

Zelenskis ambassador seemed awfully proud......

CNN and their talking points, be damned.

Who's volunteering for WWIII?

Yeah I know.....I'm a Russian troll.....morons (in advance).

Well, you deserve a medal for showing up anyway. And that's an articulate, if misguided, defense.

Zelensy always wears a t-shirt; Trump always wears a suit. Why should the leader of either sovereign nation adopt each other's clothing? It's a trivial point at best.

If Trump had any sense of decency he'd be pressuring Putin to leave Ukraine--instead of pressuring Zelensky to give up part of his country. Notice how his conversations with Putin were kept secret.

Is Trump a Russian asset? I don't know, but he sure acts like one.

01 March 2025, 06:27

LHeym500

I would let the Ukrainians kill Russians until Russia was out or the Christian Messiah comes back.

Trump both foreign and domestically is over playing his hands. The mid terms will be here soon.

Zelenskyy comes from a war zone and refused to flee his country when offered a helicopter out. He can wear whatever he wants.

If you sell out Ukraine, Russia will come vs k for the rest. He will keep eating Europe w out former continental allies srminf, and you will get WWIII.

01 March 2025, 06:32

jdollar

Trump has no sense of decorum or decency. He is just a narcissistic bully, at least until he gets under Putin’s desk.

01 March 2025, 06:35

Magine Enigam

This interview was done before the Zelenskyy meeting:

It's long so I started in about half way.

https://youtu.be/OBIRPVUkWBA?s...9ATbCjFJE-0-BU&t=653

There’s ‘something’ wrong with Donald Trump: John Bolton

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https://youtu.be/yWbK5gfNYd4?si=RwLAuzbOllJhKGzE

‘There is no question this was a setup’: Amb. Susan Rice on Trump’s Oval Office ambush of Zelesnkyy

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James Carville says it better:

https://youtu.be/uD2WYgtNgng?si=DFap2fMvHOh8iULK

James Carville: What Just Happened In The Oval Office

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I wonder how Fox is spinning this?

Surly, MAGAdites are grasping for rationalizations.

If so, here's your guy:

https://youtu.be/i6_mZbrbm9g?s..._UWwuACn55iXN8&t=222

I skipped over most of what he calls "harsh terms"

01 March 2025, 07:05

Bill Leeper

I don't know what everyone else saw. I saw Trump and Vance tag teaming and bullying a foreign head of state, who thought he was meeting with an ally. While this was embarrassing on many levels, I'm sure it's fine with the Trumpeteers. I've always said, there is nothing he can do bad enough to affect their worship of Trump. The US will have a lot to do to repair the damage Trump will do. Bill

01 March 2025, 07:53

MJines

Quite the irony. A narcissistic draft dodger seeking to take over his own country lecturing a warrior trying to defend his country from invaders. No wonder the world just shakes their head in amazement.

01 March 2025, 08:33

medved

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
I don't know what everyone else saw. I saw Trump and Vance tag teaming and bullying a foreign head of state, who thought he was meeting with an ally. While this was embarrassing on many levels, I'm sure it's fine with the Trumpeteers. I've always said, there is nothing he can do bad enough to affect their worship of Trump. The US will have a lot to do to repair the damage Trump will do. Bill

i think macron played well trump and zelensky had no intentions to surrender. they used the event to confront and show allies who trump is really ...with the help of journalists presence. machiavel was strong today ...

01 March 2025, 08:40

TomP

I never much cared for Maya Angelou's poetry, but she said "...when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time...".

This may have been Trump's version of Biden's last debate. Or not. This remains to be seen.

Maybe the problem is, Trump is not smart enough to figure out a way for a small country to hold off a bigger one with nuclear weapons, and he can't humble himself to take advice from people smarter than he is.

In a straightforward war of resources, Ukraine is at a serious disadvantage. Short of a miracle, they should lose. The holomodor is of living memory though, and I idly wonder if it's considered a fate worse than death.

This would matter.

01 March 2025, 08:47

shankspony

And this is never more relevant than now. It is in my nation, and I suspect the US too, a catch cry that us right wingers use and agree with.

quote:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

01 March 2025, 08:59

medved

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
And this is never more relevant than now. It is in my nation, and I suspect the US too, a catch cry that us right wingers use and agree with.

quote:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

and this is where we are leading.

01 March 2025, 11:39

M.Shy

I’m behind Trump all the way

01 March 2025, 12:20

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
I’m behind Trump all the way

And Putin!

You fucking traitor.

01 March 2025, 12:21

Saeed

A normal discussion between a stupid CIA installed PUPPERT and his NEW MASTER!

01 March 2025, 13:04

nute

That was utterly appalling. To see Trump and Vance grandstanding for the US tv audience, criticising the victim of the Russian invasion like a couple of 8th graders ganging up on a 6th grader was truly pathetic.

Accusing him of gambling with WW3 because his country wont just roll over and accept the terms dictated by Trump whereby Putin gets to keep what he has taken.

If it had been Putin sitting there would those two children have behaved in that way?

How there can be anything but disgust for their behaves today in the US is beyond me. Absolutely pathetic.

01 March 2025, 13:07

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by nute:
That was utterly appalling. To see Trump and Vance grandstanding for the US tv audience, criticising the victim of the Russian invasion like a couple of 8th graders ganging up on a 6th grader was truly pathetic.

Accusing him of gambling with WW3 because his country wont just roll over and accept the terms dictated by Trump whereby Putin gets to keep what he has taken.

If it had been Putin sitting there would those two children have behaved in that way?

How there can be anything but disgust for their behaves today in the US is beyond me. Absolutely pathetic.

I agree 100%.

01 March 2025, 15:21

RobinOLocksley

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
I don't know what everyone else saw. I saw Trump and Vance tag teaming and bullying a foreign head of state, who thought he was meeting with an ally. While this was embarrassing on many levels, I'm sure it's fine with the Trumpeteers. I've always said, there is nothing he can do bad enough to affect their worship of Trump. The US will have a lot to do to repair the damage Trump will do. Bill

It all comes from Trump's insatiable urge for constant validation and "respect" and the lackeys that surround him are interested in providing him just that. Country be damned. They would not have done that if they thought Zelenskyy was "strong". Blatant worship of power in display.

01 March 2025, 17:19

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’m told that incredibly stupid “why aren’t you wearing a suit” attack came from Marjorie Taylor Greens shack up.

That whole debacle was embarrassing, but revealing. The Trump White House didn’t make any effort whatever to conceal casting their lot with Putin.

But Musk wearing a tee-shirt and ball cap in the Oval Office and Cabinet meetings is fine.

There is a bit of difference......Musk is there working for the American people and I don't believe he's getting paid...... Zelensky was there to ask for help....

Now, me, I think anyone in the oval office should be dressed appropriately.....