Is this author living in a dream-world??


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...fptaskbarhover&ei=19

Vladimir Putin is likely on his way out as Russia’s president. He will be followed by autocrats governing countries such as Hungary, Turkey and Israel — to name a few. Though this process will take some time, it is a clear triumph of the innovative democratic principles upon which the United States was founded in 1776.

Not everyone is qualified for or capable of liberty, the obvious examples are numerous.

I only read your post and not the article you linked, but I seem to recall the "Rulers" of Turkey and Israel being recently fairly elected. I wouldn't know if Vlad will be removed or not, but id remind you that he's been popular in Russia for decades and that if it wasn't the case, Russia and it's citizens know everything there is to know about revolution and regime change.

In many societies around the globe I see no interest in "democratic principles" and we've all seen the huge disaster made in the West pressing democratic principles on them.

The more demand for change in modern society, the more likely we are to see autocracy.

By nature, modern governments are very bureaucratic institutions that make movement quite slow.

The more people want a change (regardless of direction) the more they will push for what it takes to get it.

Expanding the Supreme Court would be an example of this- put a bigger group of “right thinking” sorts in to get the desired results.

Mussolini got things done by being autocratic. Folks in Italy were happy until he hitched Italy to Hitler’s wars, and started doing things that the majority didn’t like.

Hitler, ditto, but he got further by Goebbels genius in manipulating public opinion.

FDR was very autocratic… more so than any president since (or prior after Lincoln).

Autocrats become paranoid with regards to maintaining power. You can see it if you look for it in western presidents/prime ministers, but it’s certainly more obvious in places like Russia or hereditary countries.

To be replaced by DEMOCRATS.

America as an example?

Hahahahahahaha!

Just wait for it whitey!

Question. What’s the difference between an autocrat,a dictator and an absolute monarch?
Answer. Nothing….

The way I understand this theme is that "autocrats" doesn't necessarily mean autocracy. I think in the context of the article it perhaps means autocracy, but it also means authoritarianism, such as Turkey, Israel, Hungary. Those countries morphed from democracy to Authoritarian democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%20some%20proponents.

The may still be classified as democracy but they rig everything to stay in power, including elections.

20,000 shock troops and Schedule F seem familiar somehow?

They serve as a model for what the USA could look like with another Trump term. The way they do it is explained in this linked article:

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/...cal-plan-second-term

A radical plan for Trump’s second term

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/us...e-of-law-second-term
Mon 5 Jun 2023 06.00 EDT

Trump critics warn of ‘deep decline of rule of law’ if he wins second term

Former DoJ prosecutors say Trump will pack government agencies with sympathizers in effort to ‘secure his autocratic power


There are numerous articles on the topic:

https://www.google.com/search?...nt=gws-wiz-serp#ip=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com...to-authoritarianism/

How democracies slide into authoritarianism
In “The Captive Mind,” Czeslaw Milosz documented the collusion that accompanies democracy’s collapse.

I think it more likely than not that should Putin fall we get a worse Russia or even a Chinese controlled Russia — maybe similar to North Korea.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I think it more likely than not that should Putin fall we get a worse Russia or even a Chinese controlled Russia — maybe similar to North Korea.

I'd go with a worse Russia, maybe a military dictatorship.

Grizz

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Question. What’s the difference between an autocrat,a dictator and an absolute monarch?
Answer. Nothing….

Question.

What is the difference between an autocrat, a dictator, an as monarch, Biden or Trump!

Absolutely, positively, NOTHING!

Whoever is in charge, does what he likes!

https://worldpopulationreview....autocratic-countries

Autocratic Countries 2023

Note that United Arab Emirates is classified as a closed autocracy.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://worldpopulationreview....autocratic-countries

Autocratic Countries 2023

Note that United Arab Emirates is classified as a closed autocracy.

And I hope we NEVER become a false democracy like America

There's safety, security, and other benefits in being part of the elite in a closed autocracy, eh.

Who would want to give that up?

Supposedly there are benefits to ordinary people in a supposed democracy. But it's always a struggle. People like Trump and those who empower him want to corral the benefits for themselves mostly. You know - the zero-sum game.

Its a false security though. Kind of like mine. I now live in an area overdue for an earthquake of huge proportions. historically a magnitude 8 every 3oo odd years. we are 50 overdue. But the chances of it happening given it can be 150 or 600 years, let me beleive im relatively safe.
Thats what paternal dictatorships are pretty much. You keep ruling believing you wont have the uprising.... But as the world becomes more and more westernised, it becomes more and more likely. The only question is, now? or in my children time, or in my grandchildrens time?

Likewise a democracy is only as good as its constituents. I, like ME think we are at risk right now in the west of backsliding into autocracy. We differ in our views though of the cause and where it might eventuate from.

As I have said many times, the government system is immaterial.

The West have a false feeling they can change things.

Bullshit, as we can see happening.

The politicians have become enamored with social media, and are controlled by the freaks.

I think we are unique in the world today.

Our government does look after its citizens, and their interests, and that is how it should be.

Another aspect is safety.

Crime is very low.

People can go out any time of day or night, without any fear of being attacked by government supported druggies as in some Western cities.

No home invasions by illegal immigrants.

One has to be legal here, or he is arrested and sent home, without any possibility of him coming back into any Gulf country again!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Is this author living in a dream-world??

The most interesting thing about that article is that it it never really answered the question of “why”.

So Putin, a long serving autocrat, overplayed his hand by starting a war that has gone poorly. The signs are clear that his reign is coming to an end, maybe…

But how will that domino cause these other autocrats to fall?

This was as close to an answer as I found:

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More and more people seem to prefer life where they are “we the people” than where they are “we the subjects.” Our forefathers established such a novel preference in 1776. Now more countries and people are fighting for it.

The author is far more optimistic than I.

Jason,
I too used to be optimistic about western style Democracy spreading. But after watching Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia…I see it is just not as easy as getting rid of a dictator. It requires “a will” that really has not been exhibited since 1776.