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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
No big loss. They had shit for brains.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
No big loss. They had shit for brains.

And the people who have 'vaccine' damage or deaths from strokes, heart failure, etc?

And the people who bought the line that they would never get covid if they took every vaxx that came out but got it anyway?

Who was it here that was saying oh, well, some always die from vaxx's/have serious complications anyway... "Just take it for the team."

Really?

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Originally posted by TomP:
I dimly remember OPUS1 mentioning a supply of the stuff stashed in Africa.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
It doesn't appear to say that HCQ caused the deaths only that the deaths were HCQ related per one of the linked references. If that was the case you'd also probably die from taking it for its intended use. I expect those who died depended on it to save them, but ALAS it did not.

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Trump didn’t just pull it out of the air.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Carry on ME…just please don’t ever claim your beliefs are unbiased and rooted in science. You are one the most biased and blind to science people who post here.

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Originally posted by theback40:
How do they decide what the cause of death is?
My brothers F-I-L, died of what the doctors called liver failure due to over use of Tylenol.
He was a heavy drinker, so how do they decide what caused the liver failure, Tylenol or alcohol?

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Originally posted by theback40:
In your link, I didnt see where they told the stage the patients were in. Someone on their death bed, throwing everything at them, is not going to make chloroquine the killer.
There was a paper published by several doctors that also claimed it saved patients they used it on. Did it? Would they have pulled through without it? Neither you or I could say. They gave their reasons why they thought it did, but who knows.

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2.3.2. Number of excess deaths attributable to HCQ
We calculated the number of deaths in hospitalised patients (Nhospitalised patients) by multiplying the number of hospitalised patients receiving HCQ by the mortality rate of each country. The number of deaths (Ndeaths) related to HCQ exposure was obtained by multiplying (i) the previously estimated number of in-hospital deaths per country and (ii) the OR of HCQ-related mortality. The main source of uncertainty included in the model was the range of HCQ exposure, which was estimated using the median and extreme values (minimum, maximum) reported in the included cohort studies:
Ndeath = Nhospitalised patients × mortality rate × HCQ exposuremedian, min, max × ORHCQ-mortality

We performed statistical analysis with R (meta-package, R Language and Environment for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria).

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Carry on ME…just please don’t ever claim your beliefs are unbiased and rooted in science. You are one the most biased and blind to science people who post here.

That's an odd claim since my opinions regarding science, process and findings and conclusions, are very biased favorably towards science.

I don’t know how you ever came to that conclusion…you have little understanding of it.

But my comments here in this thread aren't about the science. They are about what Trump actually said. The science of it and his spin are two things.

For example, during those meetings when he was briefed and informed by scientists instead of saying things like "what have you got to lose", he could have said something like I'm sure you scientists will take it all into account. I trust that you will keep me informed.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I do remember trump and a doctor talking about disinfectant and ultraviolet light. Trump said, to bad we cant use them on the inside, we cant can we?
The doctor said no.
I'm not sure if that was what the media based Trump saying drink bleach and lightbulbs on or not. But in that news shot, he did not tell people to do it, just asked a stupid question.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Trump didn’t just pull it out of the air.

He pulled it out of his arsh, like practically everything he says.

Including this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...8J0Fd&smid=url-share

Trump Muses About Light as Remedy, but Also Disinfectant, Which Is Dangerous
At a briefing, the president promoted unproven treatments and asked Dr. Deborah Birx if she had heard of the success of sunlight as a tool against viruses.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-...n-cure-covid-1619105

Despite Trump's dubious, conjectural and inarticulate comments, he did not directly suggest that people inject themselves with disinfectant.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23...us-briefing-april-23

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On Thursday, President Donald Trump added to his list of dubious or inaccurate coronavirus-related medical claims, dangerously suggesting at a White House briefing that ingesting disinfectant could possibly be used to treat people who have the virus.

Trump also suggested sunlight might be a treatment alternative and issued a false denial when asked why he has stopped promoting the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment, incorrectly saying, “I haven’t at all.” He referred to how “we started with a broken test” without explaining that the faulty initial test was created during his presidency, this year.

“There’s been a rumor that – you know, a very nice rumor – that you go outside in the sun or you have heat and it does have an effect on other viruses,” Trump said, before asking coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx “to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know, if you could.”

Trump then asked Birx if she “ever heard of the heat and the light” having an impact on viruses. She responded, “Not as a treatment,” before Trump asked her again to look into it.

Later, Trump again directed Birx to look into the potential for sunlight to be a cure.

“I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know, if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can’t.”

After Bryan talked about experiments in which, he said, disinfectants like bleach and isopropyl alcohol quickly killed the virus, Trump mused about whether disinfectants could be used to treat the virus in humans – asking whether there is “a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning.”

Facts First: As Birx told Trump directly, and as medical experts said after the briefing, sunlight isn’t a potential treatment for coronavirus. Neither are disinfectants that are used to clean non-human surfaces; Food and Drug Administration chief Dr. Stephen Hahn told CNN’s Anderson Cooper later Thursday, “I certainly wouldn’t recommend the internal ingestion of a disinfectant.”

This bizarre exchange is the latest example of Trump grasping for a quick fix for the pandemic, after he previously suggested it might “go away” in warm weather and that anti-malaria pills could be a “game-changer.”

The Reckitt Benckiser Group, which produces Lysol, flatly said on its website that “under no circumstance” should disinfectant be administered into the human body. Washington state’s emergency management agency warned against eating Tide pods or injecting disinfectant, tweeting, “don’t make a bad situation worse.”

Immediately after the briefing, two doctors told CNN’s Erin Burnett that Trump’s comments did not make medical sense and warned against taking his suggestions seriously.

“Very little of what the President said as it pertains to disinfection or phototherapy makes any sense,” said Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a cardiologist at The George Washington University Hospital who advised the White House during President George W. Bush’s tenure. “Look, everyone wants a quick fix. And the President clearly wants a quick fix; we all do. But there are no quick fixes. We have to do this the right way; we have to do this with science.”

Dr. Megan Ranney, an emergency physician who works at Rhode Island Hospital/Brown University, also batted down the President’s suggestion and warned that trying it could cause sunburn, skin cancer or other dangerous consequences.

“Going out in the sun or exposing yourself to these high-intensity UV lamps is not going to protect you from Covid-19,” she said on CNN. “I don’t want people to think that this is another miracle cure.”

Trump’s statement echoes myths and rumors that got so rampant on the internet and in social media that the World Health Organization posted a myth busters pages to debunk them.

“Exposing yourself to the sun or to temperatures higher than 25C degrees DOES NOT prevent the coronavirus disease,” WHO says on its website. “You can catch COVID-19, no matter how sunny or hot the weather is. Countries with hot weather have reported cases of COVID-19,” it adds.

False denial on hydroxychloroquine
At Thursday’s briefing, Trump issued a false denial when asked why he has stopped his promotion of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that he embraces as a potential cure for coronavirus.

“I haven’t at all,” the President said, before asking the reporter, “Why do you say I have?”

Facts First: Trump has significantly tamped down his rhetoric about the drug in the past week, compared with his comments in March, according to a CNN analysis.

In March and early April, the President name-dropped hydroxychloroquine almost daily, and he mentioned it dozens of times at White House briefings, according to the CNN tally. He incorrectly implied it was safe to treat Covid-19, encouraged Americans to “try it” and said it might be the biggest breakthrough in modern medicine.

“What do you have to lose?” he asked during a briefing in April.

But he hasn’t mentioned the drug by name – or touted its effectiveness – in more than a week.

Trump stopped promoting hydroxychloroquine around the time that a series of studies came back with negative results. New research from Brazil, France and veterans’ hospitals in the US indicate that the drug might not help patients with the coronavirus, and might even have deadly side effects.

For the second day in a row, the President also said he didn’t see the study of US veterans’ hospitals, even though he was asked about it both days and it has been covered heavily in the mainstream media.

About the research into the drug, Trump said, “We had a lot of very good results and we had some results that perhaps aren’t so good.” It’s true that there were some studies earlier this year with promising results for Covid-19. But public health experts said that much of that research was anecdotal, and the publisher of a study that Trump repeatedly cited now says there were serious flaws with the trial.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
One cannot logically dispute Nute’s quotes.