Interesting article from the Wapo. Mirrors and describes exactly what we are seeing here in the crater by cult members like Easter and Judge G.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...s-attacks-take-toll/

>>>For months, top advisers to Donald Trump expected that he would be convicted by a New York jury on all 34 felony counts. So Trump and his team waged an all-out war against the judicial system before the verdict came in, hoping to blunt the political damage and position him as a martyr.

They sent hundreds of fundraising appeals attacking the prosecutors and the system, raising millions of dollars on false claims. They lined up allies outside the courthouse almost every day to question the fairness of the proceedings. Trump attacked the judge, the judge’s daughter and, finally, even the jury — ordinary, anonymous New Yorkers called to perform their basic civic duty.

On Thursday, that jury convicted Trump, and the foundational democratic principle that no one is above the law withstood the first criminal trial of a former American president. Despite the attacks, the system worked as designed, analysts said.

“Human beings have their weaknesses, and our institutions have their weaknesses, but a jury trial is as good as we can do,” Nancy Marder, a Chicago-Kent College of Law professor who studies jury trials, said in an interview.

But amid the relentless offensive by Trump and his allies on the legal infrastructure holding him accountable, the trial came with a substantial cost, according to those who study democracy, with the ultimate impact likely to be measured in November.

“The judicial system has taken a body blow from Trump’s assaults,” said Kim Lane Scheppele, a professor of sociology at Princeton University who studies the rise and fall of constitutional government. Forcing him to sit through the trial, follow orders and listen to evidence against himself meant that “his rage at being controlled by others is going to be directed at trying to bring the whole judicial system down with him.”

Indeed, Trump went on a long diatribe after his conviction was announced. “This was a disgrace,” he said. “This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt.”

The courts have been the greatest check on Trump’s efforts to consolidate his control over the country’s levers of power, and since late 2020, when he began intensifying his offensive against the judiciary, serious investigated threats against federal judges have more than doubled, from 224 in 2021 to 457 in 2023, according to the U.S. Marshals Service, as first reported by Reuters. “The attacks against the country’s democratic institutions not only have effects on those willing to serve in those positions, but they also lower the perceived legitimacy of institutions that should stand above the political fray,” Scheppele said.

But there was something different about Trump’s repeated complaints about this first criminal jury trial that made them even more potent, experts say. Whenever a politician is brought up on charges, “every single time that leader will scream up and down that this is a politicized process and his political enemies are out to get him,” said Steven Levitsky, a professor of government at Harvard University. “What’s notable here,” said Levitsky, co-author of the book “Tyranny of the Minority: Why American Democracy Reached the Breaking Point,” “is that the entire Republican Party is marching in lockstep, along with right-wing media, claiming that the legal process has been weaponized, and therefore eroding public trust in a really vital institution.”

The judiciary has damaged itself. It has allowed itself to become a political tool.

When it comes to political figures…there is no such thing any longer (maybe never was but they don’t even try to hide it any longer) as an impartial judiciary.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The judiciary has damaged itself. It has allowed itself to become a political tool.

When it comes to political figures…there is no such thing any longer (maybe never was but they don’t even try to hide it any longer) as an impartial judiciary.

The WAPo article is spot on. The cult members have swallowed the false trump narrative hook, line and sinker.

The judiciary has “allowed” itself into politics and does not even try to hide it any longer.

If you can’t recognize that…you are obtuse.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The judiciary has “allowed” itself into politics and does not even try to hide it any longer.

If you can’t recognize that…you are obtuse.

You're a brain-washed cult member. Who supports and will vote for a seditionist who is now a convicted felon.

Seek help, my friend.

My life is good Mike. I am blessed. No help, other than God’s grace, is needed.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The judiciary has “allowed” itself into politics and does not even try to hide it any longer.

If you can’t recognize that…you are obtuse.

The judiciary, relating to Trump, with some exceptions, is doing what it's supposed to do, DESPITE politics.

Of course they don't hide it.

Some claim it's leftist judiciary which is abiding the rule of law. Hummm --- Allowing? Hummm - How about honoring their pledge to uphold the constitution and do their jobs despite farce accusations.

But some instead call it political persecution.

So, what would the political Right do instead?

I think that's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. And of course they don't even try to hide it. They say and exhibit it loud and clear. Obtuse isn't the right word for it. They know what they are doing, and its corruption to the core.

The system has been corrupted years ago!

Otherwise people like the MAGA ARSEHOLE wouldn’t find the time of day in public life!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My life is good Mike. I am blessed. No help, other than God’s grace, is needed.

You are disgrace and a lier.

They are running the same play they ran w the election and Jan 6.

That is how a society is destroyed. Convinced enough people that the institutions are corrupter, that all these boogie men are responsible for all the perceived social ills, give us political power to destroy and remove. We will purify and make the ideal society for the true and right culture/folk.

Dr. Easter is part of that movement.

He has nothing to demonstrate this trial was tainted by malfeasance. However, here we are.

Why? If we can destroy the legitimacy of the institution, we can take political power.

I do not have words for how disgraceful this behavior is.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My life is good Mike. I am blessed. No help, other than God’s grace, is needed.

You are disgrace and a lier.

No sir. No lying on my part (and I can even spell).

But I have learned you are a human being I have little use for. Happy to be on the opposite side of the spectrum from you.

You are only saying what you are saying bc trump lost.
Tell me why only try to stroke one juror for cause, if the jury was so tainted?

Tell us what legal principles were violated by this prosecution?

Tell ye what obvious errors of law the judge made?

Tell us how a Trump allocate was acquitted in NY state Court in last year?


The Judge’s daughter makes the judge irreparably tainted. However, Justice Alito is not tainted with unfairness when “his wife” engages in insurrectionist conspiracy? You cannot have it both ways.

Lier.

It seems the judiciary in the US has always to some degree been political. Why else is it so important to be the side making appointments to the SC? Why would one judge be thought left leaning and another right.

If a judicial system is going to work correctly it should be impartial, one’s own politics wouldn’t/ shouldn’t matter. They interpret the law and have sufficient integrity to do so irrespective of their own opinions.

It’s been partisan for a long time, it’s didn’t just happen last week. Trump, and everyone else , exists in that environment and know how it works. He shouldn’t be suprised that he gets his ass kicked if he gets caught.

It is most amusing to see possibly the least honest person in the US bitching about dishonesty in the system, and all those who support him knowing he is dishonest bitching about it too…

There are many traditional institutions/practices Trump has damaged in addition to the judiciary:

1. His baseless "stolen election" claims have undermined the confidence in our elections.

2. His packing the Supreme Court has undermined confidence in the nation's highest court.

3. His drivel about the FBI and DOJ has undermined confidence in both agencies, including the nation's top law enforcement agency.

4. His baseless claims about unfair prosecutions, biased judges, etc. have undermined confidence in both the civil and criminal justice systems.

5. His actions as President and afterwards, especially January 6, have tarnished the Office of the President.

The man is a cancer on the country.

Do you know who said President Trump did this crime? The crime being directing payments to by silence for the benefit of the campaign and covering up that payment w fraud.

The Southern District of NY when they indicted Cohen in Federal Court identifying Co-Conspirator 1 as directing the scheme. Now, career Federal Prosecutors do not belong to the setting President. They are professional, civil employees

Of course, a setting President could not be charged.

The argument that the Feds refused this is a mischaracterization. Had Trump not been president, he would have been charged w Cohen.

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Originally posted by MJines:
There are many traditional institutions/practices Trump has damaged in addition to the judiciary:

1. His baseless "stolen election" claims have undermined the confidence in our elections.

2. His packing the Supreme Court has undermined confidence in the nation's highest court.

3. His drivel about the FBI and DOJ has undermined confidence in both agencies, including the nation's top law enforcement agency.

4. His baseless claims about unfair prosecutions, biased judges, etc. have undermined confidence in both the civil and criminal justice systems.

The man is a cancer on the country.

His stacking the lower federal courts (District Courts) with hacks. See Florida. Again, go read the Fed Circuit full throated rebuttal of the District Court’s handling of Trump’s prosecution before her.

Her refusal to issue decisions unduly delaying prosecution.

Excerpt from the WaPo article:

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But there was something different about Trump’s repeated complaints about this first criminal jury trial that made them even more potent, experts say.

“What’s notable here,” said Levitsky, co-author of the book “Tyranny of the Minority: Why American Democracy Reached the Breaking Point,” “is that the entire Republican Party is marching in lockstep, along with right-wing media, claiming that the legal process has been weaponized, and therefore eroding public trust in a really vital institution.”

Of the three branches, the judiciary, or justice system, is basically our only roadblock remaining to the Right achieving their goals (ends).

With the latest BS from the SCOTUS, the roadblock is in jeopardy too.

The legislature can't be counted on. They seem so dysfunctional anyway and if GOPers ever gain enough majority, all hell will break loose. If Trump gets back in office we know how that will go - they tell us with their own words and acts.

Fox and Newsmax are feeding fascist fodder as hard as they can go, with the weaponization narratives, doubled-down after the convictions.

The rightist end justifies the means ideology is on full display. Their apparent success with the lies and narratives should be taken very seriously. It's been a winning formula in history, but the "win" was very damaging and short-lived and it took a long time to repair. But the formula never went away.

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Originally posted by MJines:
There are many traditional institutions/practices Trump has damaged in addition to the judiciary:

1. His baseless "stolen election" claims have undermined the confidence in our elections.

2. His packing the Supreme Court has undermined confidence in the nation's highest court.

3. His drivel about the FBI and DOJ has undermined confidence in both agencies, including the nation's top law enforcement agency.

4. His baseless claims about unfair prosecutions, biased judges, etc. have undermined confidence in both the civil and criminal justice systems.

5. His actions as President and afterwards, especially January 6, have tarnished the Office of the President.

The man is a cancer on the country.

He absolutely is a cancer. Hopefully, he will be banished from discourse after next November. But, I'm not holding my breath.

Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps, you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy, these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system. “R” or “D”, put on your big boy britches and admit it.

Damn that Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you). Trump was prosecuted and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … Then you say Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law. Anything else is, by any definition, political abuse of the Justice system.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Would the “D’s” here salute Bragg’s bringing charges against Hillary? If not, you need to look at whether you are letting your politics be a part of the destruction of the legal system as much as any “R”.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy , these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system.

Damn Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you) and Trump was and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … and Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Let me help:

1. You screw a porn star while you're married and while your wife is pregnant with your child.

2. You have political aspirations and realize that most normal Americans (you and Lane are excluded) would find that your actions were abhorrent and disgusting and ought to disqualify you from being POTUS.

3. You have your lawyer pay off the porn star in order to keep her quiet so your chances of being POTUS aren't damaged and you have your lawyer generate fake documents to cover it all up, all in violation of NY state (and probably federal) law. At least, according to a jury of twelve good citizens of the United States.

How are the two things you reference the same?

Your "Look! Over there!" bullshit is lame.

While I agree that the prosecution of Donald Trump was, to a certain extent, politically motivated, if Trump had not committed the crimes, it would not have been an issue for him. We cannot expect the courts to refuse to hear cases just because the accused is a political figure. We can't expect the courts to decline to prosecute cases because someone else was not prosecuted for a similar crime. Just because all the other presidents who paid off pornstars, to keep them quiet, were not prosecuted for their crimes, this can't stop the courts from going ahead with this one. There has to be a limit to precedent. Bill.

I take issue with the implication that most presidents or politicians engage in the behavior of Trump.

Trump’s actions were hard to ignore when in a Federal Indictment he appears to be unindicted co-conspirator no. 1. The reason he was not indicted then was bc he was a setting President.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
While I agree that the prosecution of Donald Trump was, to a certain extent, politically motivated, if Trump had not committed the crimes, it would not have been an issue for him. We cannot expect the courts to refuse to hear cases just because the accused is a political figure. We can't expect the courts to decline to prosecute cases because someone else was not prosecuted for a similar crime. Just because all the other presidents who paid off pornstars, to keep them quiet, were not prosecuted for their crimes, this can't stop the courts from going ahead with this one. There has to be a limit to precedent. Bill.

Well, in fact, would we not expect that high-profile political figures like the Convicted Felon deserve closer scrutiny?

This whole thing about trump being persecuted politically is bullshit. He did the crimes. If he got a higher level of scrutiny than the normal citizen, then I say good. He wants to be the leader of our nation again. He should get a higher level of scrutiny.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy , these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system. “R” or “D”, put on your big boy britches and admit it.

Damn that Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you). Trump was prosecuted and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … Then you say Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law. Anything else is, by any definition, political abuse of the Justice system.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Would the “D’s” here salute Bragg’s bringing charges against Hillary? If not, you need to look at whether you are letting your politics be a part of the destruction of the legal system as much as any “R”.

Well written, the lefties will dance all around this. Note, lil mikey already has.......

Any means to an end for our lefties.....any means....


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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy , these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system. “R” or “D”, put on your big boy britches and admit it.

Damn that Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you). Trump was prosecuted and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … Then you say Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law. Anything else is, by any definition, political abuse of the Justice system.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Would the “D’s” here salute Bragg’s bringing charges against Hillary? If not, you need to look at whether you are letting your politics be a part of the destruction of the legal system as much as any “R”.

Well written, the lefties will dance all around this. Note, lil mikey already has.......

Any means to an end for our lefties.....any means....


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Only thing I'm noting is your lack of a response to mine.

Kinda like the morality police and by a Democrat. Who would have ever thunk?
Interesting that she did the same things as Trump (with the added felonies of classified documents distribution, illegal storage, obstruction of Justice and destroying govt property) but you have no outrage she wasn’t prosecuted because Trump paid off a hooker.

And the prosecution wasn’t politically motivated, but morally motivated. Sounds good to me.

BTW, it’s acceptable to not believe your political leaders are God and should have accountability, be they right or left.

I personally would not have believed Cohen beyond a reasonable doubt or Stormy either. I find it abhorrent that the trial judge believes you can convict a defendant without all jurors agreeing that a particular and specific precedent crime occurred, and I believe the trial judge should have recused himself for an apparent conflict in that he contributed to a political “stop Trump” fund and his daughter was raising funds and taking monies for herself from those who spearheaded anti Trump causes in Washington.

That said, I wasn’t on the jury.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy , these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system. “R” or “D”, put on your big boy britches and admit it.

Damn that Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you). Trump was prosecuted and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … Then you say Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law. Anything else is, by any definition, political abuse of the Justice system.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Would the “D’s” here salute Bragg’s bringing charges against Hillary? If not, you need to look at whether you are letting your politics be a part of the destruction of the legal system as much as any “R”.

Well written, the lefties will dance all around this. Note, lil mikey already has.......

Any means to an end for our lefties.....any means....


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Only thing I'm noting is your lack of a response to mine.

HRC did not violate the law. I know that hurts and hard to hear, but it has been explained to you before.

HRC was not an unindicted co-conspirator who only escaped fed prosecution by being a setting president.

psy·cho·sis
/sīˈkōsəs/
noun
a severe mental condition in which thought and emotions are so affected that contact is lost with external reality.
"the symptoms of psychosis"

It has come down to the point that I can only explain Trump(ism) as a broad scale psychosis.

We are dealing with psychos.

There is a video of Ken Burns speaking before some university students. Among other things he says we should understand those who support Trump, and have empathy.

I think liberals are too into empathy. How's that work with psychos?

Fortunately, there are many people with influence who are sane:

https://youtube.com/shorts/RH4...?si=HPxoTBxgzw7PsXVE

Larry David UNLEASHES on Trump

https://youtu.be/bfxqmWb4hPo?si=j7bwtGFYhpB9ee13

Rep. Raskin: A great victory for the justice system

https://youtube.com/shorts/HXs...?si=TutEf3P0VOyIDm56

President Biden on Trump's 'reckless' response to guilty verdict in hush-money trial

Hummmm.
Hillary didn’t break the law? Let’s start with her unsecured e-mails crimes. The FBI said she broke the law but, like Joe, gave her a pass because no U.S. attorney would indict her. Bullcrap. With classified emails going through poorly secured servers in a bathroom closet was fine with you because Hillary didn’t mean to break national security statutes. I guess the Slick Willie chance meeting in BumFuck Arizona
with the AG had no bearing. What US Attorney declined the case, or would have.
You can disagree with me, but tell the truth when you do. Deny Hillary broke numerous laws by creating her own half assed server. It’s a black and white law. Any credibility you may have will be gone if you deny she did violate her own State Department statutory protections and by doing so committed felonies.

And as to the Second set of crimes.
So what part of my Russia
Hoax scenario did she not do?
Scheme to effect election
Paid “Attorneys fees” to hide real purpose of payments
Didn’t report campaign spending honestly to Fed Election Commission.

Why is Bragg not hot and heavy for her conviction.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Okay, you conspire to and develop a plan to influence an election. You launder money through a law firm and call the money paid to the firm as a legal expense even though it’s not. Opps you get caught doing it and destroy evidence to hide the conspiracy , these acts being committed primarily in New York. Evil perp needs to be prosecuted to not show favor and save the judicial system. “R” or “D”, put on your big boy britches and admit it.

Damn that Donald Trump….

Except that was Hillary and the Russian dossier. She wasn’t prosecuted (and absolutely amazingly that’s fine with you). Trump was prosecuted and you cheer the unequal targeting of the law against a political opponent. … Then you say Lane and I are cult members for believing the only way to have faith in the legal system is equal application of the law. Anything else is, by any definition, political abuse of the Justice system.

There’s a rend in the fabric when you say no one is above the law (unless they have a “D” in front of their name).

Would the “D’s” here salute Bragg’s bringing charges against Hillary? If not, you need to look at whether you are letting your politics be a part of the destruction of the legal system as much as any “R”.

Well written, the lefties will dance all around this. Note, lil mikey already has.......

Any means to an end for our lefties.....any means....


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Only thing I'm noting is your lack of a response to mine.

HRC did not violate the law. I know that hurts and hard to hear, but it has been explained to you before.

HRC was not an unindicted co-conspirator who only escaped fed prosecution by being a setting president.

Again, per the FBI the facts of that situation would not support a conviction when applied to federal case law as the men’s rea of Gross Negligence (a caselaw supported definition I have provided before) was not present.

No, she did not.

Your boy is an unindicted co-conspirator on a Fed indictment. He was not charged simply bc he was a setting President.

He is also a convicted felon.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I take issue with the implication that most presidents or politicians engage in the behavior of Trump.

Trump’s actions were hard to ignore when in a Federal Indictment he appears to be unindicted co-conspirator no. 1. The reason he was not indicted then was bc he was a setting President.

That was a bit of sarcasm on my part, which plainly went over your head. To my knowledge, there has been no other president who has paid off a porn star to keep her quiet. Clinton might have been as morally bankrupt as DJT, but I'm not sure. JFK was no saint, but he was at least competent. Bill

I don't think Trump would have won in 2016 if he didn't commit 34 felonies to keep voters from learning he banged Stormy Daniels while Malaria was nursing Barron.

I'm not alone; you know who else thought that?

Donald Trump.

I’m certain all the members commenting here are above reproach. Not one us has cheated on a spouse, not one of us has lied. Not one of us failed to report earnings. Let’s start a club! Call it Internet Angels.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
I’m certain all the members commenting here are above reproach. Not one us has cheated on a spouse, not one of us has lied. Not one of us failed to report earnings. Let’s start a club! Call it Internet Angels.

I have never cheated on my nursing wife with a porn actress, never paid the actress to keep it quiet and never falsified business records to keep it from derailing my Presidential campaign at a critical moment.

Folks forget that Trump was reeling from the release of the "Access Hollywood" tape despite the Russians releasing Podesta's emails within hours. A roster of Republicans withdrew their endorsements; the Stormy story would have finished him.

I'm not aware that any of us has run for president or claimed to be above reproach. Donald Trump has done both.
As to whether or not his hush payment to Daniels changed the outcome of the 2016 election; could be. I honestly don't think the knowledge would have swayed any Trump supporters and Hillary was despicable enough that she was not electable. The Democratic party just didn't want to see it.
I was glad to see Trump elected; in part because I was pretty sure he would be impeached before long. I underestimated the dedication of Trump's supporters and the jellyfish-like spinal construction of the GOP members. Still, he was the better of two bad choices at the time. We are witnessing a similar scenario now. Neither candidate is worth a shit, but the people are expected to make a choice anyway. Regards, Bill.

Bill Clinton’s “Stormy” story and his prejury really finished him, too, didn’t it. Stormy began her public expose’ of the 2006 allegation in 2011.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
I’m certain all the members commenting here are above reproach. Not one us has cheated on a spouse, not one of us has lied. Not one of us failed to report earnings. Let’s start a club! Call it Internet Angels.

I have never cheated on my nursing wife with a porn actress, never paid the actress to keep it quiet and never falsified business records to keep it from derailing my Presidential campaign at a critical moment.

Folks forget that Trump was reeling from the release of the "Access Hollywood" tape despite the Russians releasing Podesta's emails within hours. A roster of Republicans withdrew their endorsements; the Stormy story would have finished him.

Hummm, just like Monica.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
I don't think Trump would have won in 2016 if he didn't commit 34 felonies to keep voters from learning he banged Stormy Daniels while Malaria was nursing Barron.

I'm not alone; you know who else thought that?

Donald Trump.

Just a reminder: Monica was “awarded” a “hush up” job when Hillary found out about the affair and wanted her out of the White House.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I take issue with the implication that most presidents or politicians engage in the behavior of Trump.

Trump’s actions were hard to ignore when in a Federal Indictment he appears to be unindicted co-conspirator no. 1. The reason he was not indicted then was bc he was a setting President.

That was a bit of sarcasm on my part, which plainly went over your head. To my knowledge, there has been no other president who has paid off a porn star to keep her quiet. Clinton might have been as morally bankrupt as DJT, but I'm not sure. JFK was no saint, but he was at least competent. Bill

Damn, the original draft of the FBI report used the term you deny. Whistleblowers have confirmed it was changed at the DOJ level. If you promulgate the policy as to security required and intentionally violate your own regulations, you certainly can’t claim it was just negligence. The FBI and the DOJ just gave Hillary a pass and you know it and have prosecuted non-important citizens and put them in jail for much less implied Mens rea.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Again, per the FBI the facts of that situation would not support a conviction when applied to federal case law as the men’s rea of Gross Negligence (a caselaw supported definition I have provided before) was not present.

Let me go bury a friend, a fighter pilot with 200 traps and 100 missions from Yankee Station. See you later.

[quote]No, she did not.

Your boy is an unindicted co-conspirator on a Fed indictment. He was not charged simply bc he was a setting President.

He is also a convicted felon.