It's about time.

DeSantis says "it's a political stunt." The more I see of DeSantis, the more I find myself agreeing on just one thing with trump: Meatball Ron is an idiot.

https://www.theguardian.com/us...uit-desantis-florida

Everything Gov. DeSantis does is a political stunt.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Everything Gov. DeSantis does is a political stunt.

He’s betting that the savages outnumber the civilized. He might be right. Every civilization in history fell at the hands of savages eventually; maybe it’s time for this one.

Just read about 40% of the posts on this board and you’ll soon realize that the blind and brainwashed barbarians are at the gate.

Burn the books. Subjugate the women. Shove their chosen religion down people’s throats from childhood. Hate everyone who is Not Like Me in skin colour, faith, or place of birth - and do it all while bellowing FREEDOM! at the top of their lungs.

Freedom, alright. The freedom to be Exactly Like Them and do Exactly What They Say or be condemned.

I think DeSantis is going to be sorry he messed with Mickey Mouse. It's not a good look.

I think it’s pathetic that a corporation is granted self governance over elected representation.

Now, DeSantis and his rectitude are a different matter… but as far as I’m concerned, Disney is owed no special status.

Disney built Florida. Their little piece of self governance is the small political only price Florida has had to pay to garner their giant tourism industry and hundreds of thousands of jobs. It was the deal Florida made to get something economically huge out of damn near nothing. Stop the BS.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I think it’s pathetic that a corporation is granted self governance over elected representation.

Now, DeSantis and his rectitude are a different matter… but as far as I’m concerned, Disney is owed no special status.

Funny how no Republicans cared until "Don't Say Gay" became a thing. Generating $6 billion a year in revenue for the state gets you a special deal....unless you want to treat gays as equals.

I hope Disney's lawyers put the screws to DeSantis. That son of a bitch is using state power to violate Disney's 1st Amendment rights.

Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

A corporation has 1st Amendment rights. It can also be criminally prosecuted. These things were decided a long time ago.

Speaking of what happens classically....what happened to republican reverence for corporations? Again...everything is just peachy until the company takes issue with a governor who is an intolerant bigoted asshole.

Legal Rights for Cooperations have long been recognized.

They are legal entities that obtain certain legal status.

MM beat me to response.

You can also defame a Cooperation. Ask Fox about that one.

Desantis won the governorship with ease.
Florida has as wide a range of ethnic and racial diversity as anywhere in the US, that voted for Desantis.
Tumbleweed has better stick to kissing Trudeau's ass, he knows nothing about Florida.

The question is would he win it again, or will he win the Presidency?

My feeling is no. We will see.

The report I saw said he is going to announce after the Legislative Session ends.

Why should any corporation be self governing on whatever property they own. Disney got a free ride on property taxes for 60+ years and ran their fiefdom as they saw fit. Times they are a changing…

So what happens to a corporation charged with a criminal complaint? How do you put a corporation (not its officers or employees) in prison?

And yes, the repubs are being hypocritical here, as are the dems. Its classic role reversal.

Its just who's bigoted intolerant asshole you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

A corporation has 1st Amendment rights. It can also be criminally prosecuted. These things were decided a long time ago.

Speaking of what happens classically....what happened to republican reverence for corporations? Again...everything is just peachy until the company takes issue with a governor who is an intolerant bigoted asshole.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
So what happens to a corporation charged with a criminal complaint? How do you put a corporation (not its officers or employees) in prison?

And yes, the repubs are being hypocritical here, as are the dems. Its classic role reversal.

Its just who's bigoted intolerant asshole you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

A corporation has 1st Amendment rights. It can also be criminally prosecuted. These things were decided a long time ago.

Speaking of what happens classically....what happened to republican reverence for corporations? Again...everything is just peachy until the company takes issue with a governor who is an intolerant bigoted asshole.

If tub want to know look at what just happened to the Trump Org in New York.

Fines and the business is dissolved.

I have been told by good lawyers that Disney’s suit is pretty weak.

Those aren't good lawyers to make pronouncements without knowing the evidence.

They must be good diviners.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Those aren't good lawyers to make pronouncements without knowing the evidence.

They must be good diviners.

It was my belief that the initial argument was made public and I was told by friends that it was a particularly weak argument.

Well, I'm not going to offer an opinion. I don't even know what a "Don't say gay" law is. If it curtails a person's (corporations are persons for First Amendment rights, thanks to Citizens United) first amendment rights, it's suspect.

Is this a case of Desantis taking action against a person to further his own political agenda?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Well, I'm not going to offer an opinion. I don't even know what a "Don't say gay" law is. If it curtails a person's (corporations are persons for First Amendment rights, thanks to Citizens United) first amendment rights, it's suspect.

Is this a case of Desantis taking action against a person to further his own political agenda?

Obviously

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So what happens to a corporation charged with a criminal complaint? How do you put a corporation (not its officers or employees) in prison?

A corporation acts only through its directors and officers, and when a corporation is convicted a director or officer may go to jail depending on their involvement.

So, really, its the acts of people that are criminal, and the people involved go to jail? Obviously you can't sentence a corporation to 20 years prison.

I've seen corporate officers tried for acts that they performed as a corporate officer.

I've seen corporations charged with violations and be fined and liquidated.

I've never seen a corporation charged with murder.

A corporation is a legal entity, but its not a person with inalienable rights.

I thought corporate rights were viewed as a right of the people who own/run the corporation... a delegated right as it were. I understand they don't have the right against self incrimination, for one thing...

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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So what happens to a corporation charged with a criminal complaint? How do you put a corporation (not its officers or employees) in prison?

A corporation acts only through its directors and officers, and when a corporation is convicted a director or officer may go to jail depending on their involvement.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Everything Gov. DeSantis does is a political stunt.

He’s betting that the savages outnumber the civilized. He might be right. Every civilization in history fell at the hands of savages eventually; maybe it’s time for this one.

Just read about 40% of the posts on this board and you’ll soon realize that the blind and brainwashed barbarians are at the gate.

Burn the books. Subjugate the women. Shove their chosen religion down people’s throats from childhood. Hate everyone who is Not Like Me in skin colour, faith, or place of birth - and do it all while bellowing FREEDOM! at the top of their lungs.

Freedom, alright. The freedom to be Exactly Like Them and do Exactly What They Say or be condemned.

Civilians?

Ordinary normal human beings?

In America?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I have been told by good lawyers that Disney’s suit is pretty weak.

Everything I've read and seen indicates the opposite. It is a very strong case.

But, everybody knows the lawyers up in your neck of the woods are experts on the First Amendment and the Constitution.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I have been told by good lawyers that Disney’s suit is pretty weak.

Everything I've read and seen indicates the opposite. It is a very strong case.

But, everybody knows the lawyers up in your neck of the woods are experts on the First Amendment and the Constitution.

You think Biden and Kamala are capable human beings too!

Hahahahaha!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I have been told by good lawyers that Disney’s suit is pretty weak.

Everything I've read and seen indicates the opposite. It is a very strong case.

But, everybody knows the lawyers up in your neck of the woods are experts on the First Amendment and the Constitution.

You think Biden and Kamala are capable human beings too!

Hahahahaha!

And, you think living in a desert shithole without the right to vote makes sense.

Hahahahahaha.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

A corporation has 1st Amendment rights. It can also be criminally prosecuted. These things were decided a long time ago.

Speaking of what happens classically....what happened to republican reverence for corporations? Again...everything is just peachy until the company takes issue with a governor who is an intolerant bigoted asshole.

Today, anyway, the left is on Disney’s side. Just for fun, move the controversy to California. Progressive governor there, but pretend Disneyland has Hobby Lobby’s agenda. Would the left be supporting Newsome (clearly an intolerant, bigoted asshole) or Hobby Lobby‘s right to have both its own government and also its political agenda.

Special taxing zones need to sunset, IMHO.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Your point kind of goes back to one of the left’s favorite whipping boys.

Is a corporation allowed to have legal rights under the constitution?

Classically the GOP was all for treating a corporation as a legal person under the law- allow them to lobby, etc.

The courts agreed with it.

The democrats classically disagreed with it.

I don’t know if a corporation actually has first amendment rights. Logically it doesn’t, as it’s not a person, I suppose legally it does by my understanding.

Nevertheless, I don’t like corporations taking political positions, I don’t like special deals for some businesses, and while Disney certainly has a right to have its own policies, if a corporation getting special deals offends the local community, it shouldn’t expect its special deals to continue.

A corporation has 1st Amendment rights. It can also be criminally prosecuted. These things were decided a long time ago.

Speaking of what happens classically....what happened to republican reverence for corporations? Again...everything is just peachy until the company takes issue with a governor who is an intolerant bigoted asshole.

Today, anyway, the left is on Disney’s side. Just for fun, move the controversy to California. Progressive governor there, but pretend Disneyland has Hobby Lobby’s agenda. Would the left be supporting Newsome (clearly an intolerant, bigoted asshole) or Hobby Lobby‘s right to have both its own government and also its political agenda.

Special taxing zones need to sunset, IMHO.

And, today anyway, the right is not on Disney's side. If Florida wants to change the rules for Disney and lose the $6 billion in revenue it generates for the state, I am pretty sure some other state will be happy to take on the burden.

There is no law that says a cooperation cannot have social positions.

If customers do not like it, they do not have to buy.

We do not care that BassPro Shop takes hunting/consumptive use conservation model. This is bc it hives with our paradigm.

Disney already has a footprint in a leftist leaning warm weather state on the west coast.

None of the other warm weather states on the eastern seaboard or Gulf coast are going to be any more willing to put up with their agenda... and they sure aren't going to find employees...

While maybe they could find a crony deal in central or northern states, no way that Disney could operate the park at the kind of revenue they do in a cold climate.

I suppose they could try moving to Puerto Rico... but I suspect they would have issues getting the infrastructure and customer base there.

Disney needs FL more than FL needs Disney at this point. That's part of why DeSantis can get away with pushing this right now.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Disney already has a footprint in a leftist leaning warm weather state on the west coast.

None of the other warm weather states on the eastern seaboard or Gulf coast are going to be any more willing to put up with their agenda... and they sure aren't going to find employees...

While maybe they could find a crony deal in central or northern states, no way that Disney could operate the park at the kind of revenue they do in a cold climate.

I suppose they could try moving to Puerto Rico... but I suspect they would have issues getting the infrastructure and customer base there.

Disney needs FL more than FL needs Disney at this point. That's part of why DeSantis can get away with pushing this right now.

Since the left has Disneyland, the right should control Disneyworld? Now that's polarized! We have to go to an amusement park based on its view of an issue that shouldn't even be political. By the way, I do hope right-wingers boycott Disneyland and Disney World. It would cut down on the crowds. I could see the silly bastards doing it too.

I think you're wrong about other SE states' willingness to take Disneyland, with all the jobs and revenues included. Just because they want gay people to be treated equally. How controversial!

The biggest thing tying Disney to Florida is their investment in infrastructure and the cost of building new facilities elsewhere.

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The biggest thing tying Disney to Florida is their investment in infrastructure and the cost of building new facilities elsewhere.

What infrastructure was in that mosquito infested swamp in Florida when Disney got there?

The more I read on this dispute, the less I like Desantis. The man can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with his views.

Not only has he retaliated against Disney for taking a public position against the law, but he's fired or threatened to fire school superintendents who did the same. https://fortune.com/2023/04/28...county-dont-say-gay/ He's willing to use the full apparatus of state government to retaliate against anyone who expresses opposition to his "don't say gay" law.

Neither Disney nor the superintendents violated the law. All they did was speak against it. Sounds like a strong First Amendment case on its face.

There's no equivalency by the leftwing that I've ever heard of. Sorry, Dr. Butler--your usual argument fails. The Judge has to invent an inapt hypothetical to defend Desantis.

The man is a disgrace to his state and party. I'll be disappointed if he wins the nomination.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Disney already has a footprint in a leftist leaning warm weather state on the west coast.

None of the other warm weather states on the eastern seaboard or Gulf coast are going to be any more willing to put up with their agenda... and they sure aren't going to find employees...

While maybe they could find a crony deal in central or northern states, no way that Disney could operate the park at the kind of revenue they do in a cold climate.

I suppose they could try moving to Puerto Rico... but I suspect they would have issues getting the infrastructure and customer base there.

Disney needs FL more than FL needs Disney at this point. That's part of why DeSantis can get away with pushing this right now.

Texas would take Disney in a quick second and so would many other states and they'd hand Disney whatever tax breaks that would be necessary to get them to come. You're dreaming if you don't realize that. $6 billion in revenue overcomes a lot of political bias/opinion.

That said, you're probably right that Disney is never leaving Florida....too much infrastructure investment in the current location.

And circling back to the OP. DeSantis is using the power of the state to punish Disney for exercising it's First Amendment rights. If you can't see that, all your smoke and mirrors to the contrary, you're in denial.

it is a meritorious lawsuit that is going to cost the taxpayers of the state of Florida a fortune. All because Meatball Ron is trying to up is name recognition by ass-kissing the trumptard republicans.