A few days ago a convoy of medical vehicles was destroyed by the IDF killing 15 aid workers. The bodies together with the remains of the vehicles were buried by the side of the road by the IDF.

Hamas said the convoy were aid workers/ vehicles, Israel said they were unmarked vehicles without lights advancing in a suspicious fashion.

Who do we believe, both sides have an axe to grind, both have put out info before which was demonstrably false.

Once the bodies were recovered a phone found on one contained footage of the convoy of marked vehicles, blue and red emergency lights flashing stopping to help another aid vehicle on the side of the road, aid workers wearing Red Crescent clothing being shot at and vehicles being hit over the course of several minutes.

Despite insisting that the vehicles were unlit until the phone footage came to light the IDF has now admitted it attacked the aid vehicles.

With no press being allowed into Gaza by Israel when things like this happen we only have the two sides word for these things.

There is no excusing what started this war, but there is no excusing this either. This mess is one side “retaliating” for the actions of the other, going back decades. Not having the truth behind what actually is happening will just make it worse.

We are arguing about Gaza now?

How about the incredible, non stop atrocities the New Nazis known as Zionists have been doing since 1948?

Do you know how many new ILLEGAL COLONIES have been built since this has happened??

The West has blood on their hands.

THEY committed atrocities against the Jews.

And are making the Palestinians pay for their crimes!

Shame on humanity for allowing this to keep going!

On October 8th, 2023…I would have begun reducing Gaza to rubble and filling all the tunnels with seawater. Israel sure has drug this out. Should be building the manmade reefs and jetties by now. Sure the resorts would take a while.

Flood the tunnels by all means, wont get any argument from me, or fill them with chorine.

All that's happening now is both sides creating a reason for the next generation to hate. And with no on there who can show what the truth in any (or even just some) situations is its making it worse.

We can't trust what Hamas says and we equally can't trust what the IDF tell us.

What would you have done on the 19th Sept 1982?

The truth was


November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

An occupying country gave away a country that did not belong to them.

In 1948 a new Holocaust was started, and continues today!

Until the Palestinians rights are recognized and respected, they will continue to resist the illegal occupation of the New Nazis!

Hamas is a pack of monsters who is willing to get thousands of their own people get killed for holding hostages
It’s insanity on their parts and Israel has every right to continue coming after them
They play for international feelings and dumb asses from Western world…read Crazy libs are willing to go along…amazing idiocy

We know all that Saeed, but the world can not change the past. And, I doubt if the jews will leave, nor should the palistinians have to.
Nute is spot on, what is going on now will make sure there is another generation without change in sentiment.

I guess trump is going to have to wait a while longer to start construction on those Gaza condos and his gold statuettes.

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

Why don’t you concentrate in solving your own coproblems!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

Why don’t you concentrate in solving your own coproblems!

easier to fix the problem of others lol ... saddly usa is learning they cannot fix their own issues so they are creating mess all around the world to avoid to see their own problems ... they will discover soon that they are left alone because of their own fault ...

A free press in the Gaza war would only further the primitive anti Israel hate we have to much of and make effort to sanitize the very unsanitary practice of war. Were I Israel or any combat commander id impose the strictest of bans on all press until my war was over. Media coverage is never helpful to aggressors.

It's no longer interesting, now just all to typical to read that the umbrage is pointed at Israel's killing of aid workers and not at the Palestinians continued hostage holding. If the Palestinians would have released the hostages they shouldn't have taken in the first place and agreed to release as part of the ceasefire, (the Palestinians broke,) those aid workers would not have been killed.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
A free press in the Gaza war would only further the primitive anti Israel hate we have to much of and make effort to sanitize the very unsanitary practice of war. Were I Israel or any combat commander id impose the strictest of bans on all press until my war was over. Media coverage is never helpful to aggressors.

It's no longer interesting, now just all to typical to read that the umbrage is pointed at Israel's killing of aid workers and not at the Palestinians continued hostage holding. If the Palestinians would have released the hostages they shouldn't have taken in the first place and agreed to release as part of the ceasefire, (the Palestinians broke,) those aid workers would not have been killed.

nobody has said that the massacre of the 7th october was right but the answer from israel is out of line. when you are killing civilians and create hunger among civilians you are not getting any attraction.

i might add how you can accept that you are subsiding israel economy and war sides while you severed your relations with all your western allies and neighbours ...

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

Then Israel would have been defeated.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

PLO HQ was in tunisia already at the time ...

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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19th Sept 1982

I would have urged Israel to finish the job of ridding Lebanon of PLO.

The PLO withdrew from Lebanon before the massacre at Shatila and Sabra took place. Its withdrawal was widely documented.

Yet still between 1,000 and 3,000 civilians in the refugee camps were massacred, the IDF blocked the exits and fired star shells to light the camps up at night and the Lebanese militias did the killing.

"It was published in the edition of 1 September of Bamahane, the IDF newspaper, that a Phalangist told an Israeli official: "[T]he question we are putting to ourselves is—how to begin, by raping or killing?" A US envoy to the Middle East expressed horror after being told of Sharon's plans to send the Phalangists inside the camps, and Israeli officials themselves acknowledged the situation could trigger "relentless slaughter"

Mass rape, pregnant women with their stomach chopped open, children with their throats slit, young men castrated and scalped, babies and toddlers ripped apart and thrown into garbage piles.

But meh, who cares, they are only Palestinians.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
A free press in the Gaza war would only further the primitive anti Israel hate we have to much of and make effort to sanitize the very unsanitary practice of war. Were I Israel or any combat commander id impose the strictest of bans on all press until my war was over. Media coverage is never helpful to aggressors.

It's no longer interesting, now just all to typical to read that the umbrage is pointed at Israel's killing of aid workers and not at the Palestinians continued hostage holding. If the Palestinians would have released the hostages they shouldn't have taken in the first place and agreed to release as part of the ceasefire, (the Palestinians broke,) those aid workers would not have been killed.

Scott, as I have said to you numerous times already, there is no justification for what Hamas did, none at all.

But equally the same applies to the IDF actions, targeting medical workers, them lying about it. It's only because phone footage has come to light and been in the press that they have had to admit what happened.

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Originally posted by medved:

i might add how you can accept that you are subsiding israel economy and war sides while you severed your relations with all your western allies and neighbours ...

You usually do add and you are always wrong.

I do not favor the destruction of our western alliances and agreements. Yes, I do think it prudent to assess, re assess and revisit partnerships and alliances, but no, I would not unilaterally abandon my allies nor would I pull the rug out from under Israel in a hot war.

Again! If we want to reconsider our support of Israel, it seems best to me to do so in a calm, cool comfortable room over tea and snacks with maybe a little Neil Diamond playing in the background. It is the zenith of duplicity to question Israel's tactics and consider withholding support with Israel civilian hostages still being held by the Palestinians.

In the same vein and Again! Especially having donated billions in support of NATO and Ukraine, I certainly opposed walking out and slamming the door behind us. There is a good time and place to sit with our allies and have a since and constructive discussion about our commitment on the world stage, but a hot war between Russia and Ukraine ain't that moment.

If the PLO (basically Hezbollah today) had been cleaned out the barracks would not have been bombed in ‘83 and the country would not have Hezbollah today. The job was left incomplete.

Further, the Sabra Shatilla occurred after the PLO had assassinated General Bashir. The accounts of the “mutilations” are troubling but they are not well corroborated by none biased sources.

They are not Hezbollah today. You are either lying again or ignorant.


Isreal seeking territorial control of Lebanon would have resulted in Israel being defeated.

t is all the more important to remember that these two militias simply would not exist if the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had not been expelled from Lebanon by Israel in 1982, allowing Hezbollah to establish itself in the space thereby left vacant. And if the PLO had been able to bring the peace process with Israel that began in 1993 to a successful conclusion, as the collapse of this process paved the way for Hamas before offering it the keys to Gaza in 2007.

Hazbellah is Shiite. The PLO was Sunni.

Texas veterinarian are geopolitical moron.

Simple Google search will once again show the Equine Surgeon is either lying to folks here by intentionally misleading them into believing the PLO and Hazbollha are the same.

More than likely, it will demonstrate that he is just talking again out of ignorance of the facts.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Simple Google search will once again show the Equine Surgeon is either lying to folks here by intentionally misleading them into believing the PLO and Hazbollha are the same.

More than likely, it will demonstrate that he is just talking again out of ignorance of the facts.

i might add even if scott king disagree that hezbollah and plo were not able to stand each others but it certainly a little too complex for trump supporters lol ... for them unless oil rich country: a muslim arab is bad and israel is great even if wrong ....

Maybe another thousand years or so and there maybe will be progress

The PLO was never strictly Sunni. It was a secular muslim organization.

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Hezbollah and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) share a complex relationship have maintained a degree of alignment due to their shared enmity toward Israel. Hezbollah has consistently expressed solidarity with the Palestinian cause, viewing it as part of a broader resistance against Israeli and Western influence in the region. This solidarity was evident in Hezbollah’s actions following Hamas’s October 2023 attack on Israel, when Hezbollah began cross-border attacks to support its Palestinian allies.

In summary, Hezbollah and the PLO have cooperated tactically and Hezbollah and the PLO share a common adversary in Israel and a historical connection through Lebanon.

Again, it is very simple. The PLO is not Hezbollah.

By mishandling the PLO, Hazbollah a Shiite, Iranian backed militia was allowed to thrive.

Again, the only thing simple here…is your mind.

Hezbollah is Shia. The PLO was a mixture of Shia and Sunni.

In practicality, something foreign to the Little Lord of Louisville, Hezbollah and the PLO are the same. Maybe not literally but yes practically — which is all that matters.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The PLO was never strictly Sunni. It was a secular muslim organization.

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Hezbollah and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) share a complex relationship have maintained a degree of alignment due to their shared enmity toward Israel. Hezbollah has consistently expressed solidarity with the Palestinian cause, viewing it as part of a broader resistance against Israeli and Western influence in the region. This solidarity was evident in Hezbollah’s actions following Hamas’s October 2023 attack on Israel, when Hezbollah began cross-border attacks to support its Palestinian allies.

In summary, Hezbollah and the PLO have cooperated tactically and Hezbollah and the PLO share a common adversary in Israel and a historical connection through Lebanon.

they cannot stand the expansion of israel or even the state of israel after the war of 1949 this is only what they have in common but i can understand the subtlity is not easy to seize for you ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The PLO was never strictly Sunni. It was a secular muslim organization.

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Hezbollah and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) share a complex relationship have maintained a degree of alignment due to their shared enmity toward Israel. Hezbollah has consistently expressed solidarity with the Palestinian cause, viewing it as part of a broader resistance against Israeli and Western influence in the region. This solidarity was evident in Hezbollah’s actions following Hamas’s October 2023 attack on Israel, when Hezbollah began cross-border attacks to support its Palestinian allies.

In summary, Hezbollah and the PLO have cooperated tactically and Hezbollah and the PLO share a common adversary in Israel and a historical connection through Lebanon.

they cannot stand the expansion of israel or even the state of israel after the war of 1949 this is only what they have in common but i can understand the subtlity is not easy to seize for you ...

They have much more in common than that and in practicality — serve the same roles.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Again, the only thing simple here…is your mind.

Hezbollah is Shia. The PLO was a mixture of Shia and Sunni.

In practicality, something foreign to the Little Lord of Louisville, Hezbollah and the PLO are the same. Maybe not literally but yes practically — which is all that matters.

your simplification is interesting: israel good, hezbollah, plo, hamas bad and without even thinking of the ramification related to the palestinian people ... and thus come the misinterpretation of the world ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Again, the only thing simple here…is your mind.

Hezbollah is Shia. The PLO was a mixture of Shia and Sunni.

In practicality, something foreign to the Little Lord of Louisville, Hezbollah and the PLO are the same. Maybe not literally but yes practically — which is all that matters.

your simplification is interesting: israel good, hezbollah, plo, hamas bad and without even thinking of the ramification related to the palestinian people ... and thus come the misinterpretation of the world ...

I think you’ve finally gotten it down. Maybe hope for you yet.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Again, the only thing simple here…is your mind.

Hezbollah is Shia. The PLO was a mixture of Shia and Sunni.

In practicality, something foreign to the Little Lord of Louisville, Hezbollah and the PLO are the same. Maybe not literally but yes practically — which is all that matters.

your simplification is interesting: israel good, hezbollah, plo, hamas bad and without even thinking of the ramification related to the palestinian people ... and thus come the misinterpretation of the world ...

I think you’ve finally gotten it down. Maybe hope for you yet.

as i said you are forgetting the palestinian people in your hate of muslims ...

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Originally posted by medved:

as i said you are forgetting the palestinian people in your hate of muslims ...

Ok, enlighten us. How are the Palestinians different from or have separated themselves from broadly speaking Islamic terrorism or even narrowly either Hezbollah or Hamas?

See, I believe I can demonstrate all kinds of concrete evidence that Hamas is the Palestinians/ the Palestinians are Hamas, aka Islamic Terrorists. The well detailed amount of civilian infrastructure donated to Hamas is the easy example, not to mention the outsized ratio of civilians Palestinians to Hamas soldiers. If Gaza didn't support Hamas, they could be removed in an afternoon, instead Hamas thrives.

It's on you, show us how the Palestinians aren't in collusion with the suicide bombers and baby rapists.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

as i said you are forgetting the palestinian people in your hate of muslims ...

Ok, enlighten us. How are the Palestinians different from or have separated themselves from broadly speaking Islamic terrorism or even narrowly either Hezbollah or Hamas?

See, I believe I can demonstrate all kinds of concrete evidence that Hamas is the Palestinians/ the Palestinians are Hamas, aka Islamic Terrorists. The well detailed amount of civilian infrastructure donated to Hamas is the easy example, not to mention the outsized ratio of civilians Palestinians to Hamas soldiers. If Gaza didn't support Hamas, they could be removed in an afternoon, instead Hamas thrives.

It's on you, show us how the Palestinians aren't in collusion with the suicide bombers and baby rapists.

i will but you wont like as it is coming from amnesty international ...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/loc...-palestine-state-of/

Palestine (State Of) 2023

On 10-13 May, Palestinian armed groups fired hundreds of indiscriminate rockets towards Israel. On 7 October, fighters affiliated with the armed wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups entered southern Israel and killed at least 1,000 people, most of them civilians, including 36 children; took some 245 hostages and captives. Around 12,000 rockets were fired from October towards Israel, killing 15 people there. During the year, Palestinian authorities in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip repressed the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly. Torture and other ill-treatment were reported in Palestinian detention centres. Members of Palestinian armed groups summarily killed several suspected “collaborators”. In Gaza, death sentences were passed and executions were carried out.
Background

Palestinians throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) and in Israel, as well as Palestinian refugees, continued to suffer the impacts of Israel’s system of apartheid.

Less than 40% of the occupied West Bank continued to be administered by Fatah, a nationalist Palestinian party, while the occupied and besieged Gaza Strip was administered by Hamas, a nationalist Islamist party, in the absence of national elections since 2006. In July, leaders of the rival Palestinian factions met in Egypt for a “reconciliation committee”, with no outcomes.

The poverty rate among Palestinians reached 25%, according to the World Bank, affecting particularly Gaza, where, before October, 73% of residents already depended on humanitarian aid. In January, Israel withheld the transfer of taxes collected by Israeli authorities on behalf of Palestinian authorities. The resulting funding deficit exacerbated poverty, with public sector employees receiving reduced wages and businesses constrained by Israeli restrictions. The transfer of tax revenues to the authorities in the West Bank partly resumed in November.

Gaza’s economy and infrastructure collapsed in October under the destruction wrought by Israel’s military operation combined with the tightening of Israel’s 16-year illegal blockade. After the first month of conflict, the UN Development Programme found that 96% of people in Gaza needed basic support for survival. The effects of the conflict also negatively impacted the economy in the West Bank. In Gaza, Israeli forces killed 21,600 Palestinians, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health (see Israel and the OPT entry), while in the West Bank, they killed 493 Palestinians, making 2023 the deadliest year since at least 1967.

In October and November, Qatar and other intermediaries negotiated the release by Hamas of 109 hostages and by Israel of 240 Palestinians from Israeli detention.
Violations of international humanitarian law
Abuses by armed groups based in Gaza

In May, Al-Quds Brigades, affiliated with Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and smaller armed groups, fired hundreds of indiscriminate rockets towards Israeli towns, killing two civilians in Israel and three Palestinian civilians in Gaza, including two children. Israeli forces had killed Palestinian fighters as well as 10 civilians in Gaza on 9 May (see Israel and the OPT entry).

On 7 October, Hamas fighters and members of other Palestinian armed groups, and armed individuals, entered southern Israel and attacked military and civilian areas. Video evidence showed fighters deliberately shooting at civilians and taking civilians as hostage. According to Israeli official records, at least 1,000 people were killed, the majority civilians. One of the sites attacked was the Nova music festival in Re’im in south-west Israel, where 364 people were killed, according to the Israeli police.1 Among those killed were Palestinian workers from Gaza and migrant workers from south-east Asia.
Hostage-taking

On 7 October, Palestinian armed groups took some 245 hostages and captives, including children and older people. Hostage-taking is a war crime under international law. Palestinian fighters abducted two-year-old Aviv Asher and her four-year-old sister Raz from kibbutz Nir Oz on 7 October and held them hostage until 24 November. Hamas released four hostages on 20 and 23 October, in coordination with the ICRC. Between 24 and 30 November, Hamas released 105 more hostages, some of whom reported ill-treatment. The ICRC was denied access to those held.
Other unlawful attacks

Some 12,000 indiscriminate rockets fired in the 12 weeks from October killed 15 people in Israel, according to Israeli authorities, and damaged buildings in Israel and Palestine. A rocket fired from Gaza on 7 October killed five children aged between 11 and 14 in the Bedouin village of Kuhleh in the Negev/Naqab in southern Israel. Some 120,000 Israelis were displaced from their homes in southern Israel due to Palestinian armed groups’ attacks.
Freedom of expression and assembly

According to the Palestinian Centre for Development and Media Freedoms (MADA), assaults against journalists increased, especially when they covered events that were critical of the authorities. Palestinian police generally dispersed independent protests quickly, using excessive force.
West Bank

Palestinian security officers routinely harassed protest organizers and dissidents with threatening phone calls and visits. On 18 June, Palestinian Preventive Security forces beat Abdel Majid Hassan, head of Birzeit University student council. They then detained him and fellow student Yahya Farah in Ramallah for a month. The students’ families reported that they were tortured.

In October, Palestinian police used force to disperse demonstrations in solidarity with people in Gaza, in apparent coordination with Israeli military officials. On 17 October, after al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City was hit, protesters in Ramallah, the West Bank’s administrative centre, gathered to protest the inaction of Palestine’s President Mahmoud Abbas. They were dispersed with stun grenades and tear gas.
Gaza Strip

On 30 July and 4 August, thousands of demonstrators in Gaza City and Khan Yunis demanded that the Hamas administration supply fuel and electricity reliably and stop requisitioning welfare payments from families in poverty. The demonstrators were violently dispersed; dozens were arrested. Plain-clothes officers assaulted a journalist covering the protest on 30 July in Gaza City, according to MADA. In Khan Yunis, police destroyed the phones of protesters who had filmed the events, according to journalists at the scene.
Freedom of association
West Bank

Presidential decrees appointed favoured officials throughout governmental and judicial institutions in the West Bank, undermining the independence of the judiciary.

On 5 June, officers interrogated the directors of Aman, a coalition of civil society organizations working for governmental accountability. The directors were accused of “defamation of high officials” after the publication of their annual report on 17 May.
Gaza Strip

In January, Palestinian police officers disrupted workshops for journalists and students organized by a women’s group in Gaza City. Police interrogated staff about violating rules on gender segregation, and forced them to sign morality “pledges”, according to testimonies given to the UN commission of inquiry.
Arbitrary detention

According to the Independent Commission for Human Rights (ICHR), which acts as the Palestinian national human rights institution, 235 Palestinians were arbitrarily detained in the West Bank and 61 in Gaza, where no data is available from October.

In the West Bank, Palestinian legal services organization Lawyers for Justice reported that in June and July, at least 20 journalists, political activists and lawyers were arbitrarily arrested on charges of defaming the Palestinian authorities, inciting ethnic strife, and slandering the president.

Legal proceedings in relation to the 2021 death in custody in the West Bank of dissident Nizar Banat stalled amid bureaucratic delays and intimidation of witnesses.2
Torture and other ill-treatment

ICHR received 94 complaints of torture and other ill-treatment in Palestinian detention in the West Bank and 86 in Gaza.

In Hebron in the West Bank, Palestinian forces arbitrarily detained 22 Palestinians on 23 May and tortured all of them, according to Lawyers for Justice. Consequently, five had to be hospitalized, their families said.
Unlawful killings

On 8 April, members of a Palestinian armed group in Nablus city in the northern West Bank killed a man they suspected of working for Israeli surveillance, the first killing of an alleged “collaborator” in nearly 20 years. On 24 November, members of an armed group in Tulkarem refugee camp west of Nablus publicly killed two Palestinian men who they claimed were “collaborators”. Palestinian police made no arrests in either case.

In Gaza, armed men affiliated with Hamas rounded up approximately a dozen men on 21 November, alleging that they worked for Israeli forces, and summarily killed them.
Death penalty

The Palestinian authorities in Gaza imposed new death sentences, according to Palestinian human rights organization Al Mezan. Executions of prisoners on death row for “collaboration with the enemy” were carried out on 7 October.
Women’s and girls’ rights

Women still did not have equal rights to men in personal status law, which continued to be subject to religious law. According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, 59% of married women and girls experienced violence at the hands of their partner, and the Women’s Centre for Legal Aid and Counselling expected the numbers for 2023 to rise due to conflict and deprivation. Less than 2% of survivors complained to the police, and of those cases, 40% were investigated, according to the Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy.

Sisters Wissam and Fatimah al-Tawil were arrested without explanation on 5 January from a safe house where they had escaped their father’s abuse. Hamas security services handed them over to their paternal uncle, who drove them to their father’s home in Rafah in the south of Gaza. They were subsequently not heard from directly, as their father held them captive.3

On 25 September, Palestinian police together with UN agencies opened an office for investigating and prosecuting domestic violence in Hebron, after a similar office opened in Nablus.
LGBTI people’s rights

Consensual same-sex sexual conduct continued to be banned in Gaza on the basis of a 1936 British Mandate ordinance.

In September, after the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) published guidance to staff regarding treating all genders and LGBTI people equally, the Hamas authorities condemned the guidance for promoting “deviance and moral decay”.
Right to a healthy environment

Palestinian authorities in the West Bank failed to meet their goal of recycling 30% of domestic solid waste, which was generated at the high rate of 1kg per capita daily, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics. Less than 10% of plastic was recycled, and a third of solid waste polluted the environment in unregulated dumps, according to Heinrich Böll Stiftung, a political foundation affiliated with the German Green Party.

if you read the whole you will discover that the palestinians are not Hamas nor the fatah nor plo but it is way easier to assimilate a whole group of people in one and killing with no difference will it be children new born or women ...

that doesnt mean that the attack of the 7th on israel people was right either and it was condemned even by amnesty international but if you are not looking for the rooths you will repeat the mistakes made since 1948 without understanding it ...

but im not here to convince you: you are studiply supporting israel in whatever they do like you are supporting the saudis without thinking but nothing new for me and im glad as of today that your country do not consider us as ally or friend as you an alaskan will be more affected than most people on lower 48 border and you will change and adapt your speech changing on the long run of those commercial war, verbal aggression on the whole soveirgnity/integrity of Canada but i will not change myself on that ...

and i do hope you will enjoy your new friends in russia, belarus, cuba and north korea ... what is a given you betrayed not only nato but ukraine face that in the mirror my dear no more friend neighbour ...

Oh, I think I see i guess, you're just nuts.

So i think I read very carefully, the entire article you posted detailed the continued abuses of Hamas against the very people that give them comfort. I hope we weren't supposed to be surprised.

I looked earlier just to remind myself, Hamas is believed to have no more than 20k soldiers and the population of Gaza is 2 million. That's 100/1 against Hamas and you want me to believe the civilians of Gaza are guiltless and helpless.

Are you sure you're not a secret MAGA double agent? You seem to have a titanium frame built in your mind that helps you really believe things that just ain't so


I don't know what to tell you partner other than your article does nothing to disprove the Palestinians collision with and support of Hamas. If anything, your detailed list of abuses in the face of very underwhelming odds actually lend credence to disbelieving you.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Oh, I think I see i guess, you're just nuts.

So i think I read very carefully, the entire article you posted detailed the continued abuses of Hamas against the very people that give them comfort. I hope we weren't supposed to be surprised.

I looked earlier just to remind myself, Hamas is believed to have no more than 20k soldiers and the population of Gaza is 2 million. That's 100/1 against Hamas and you want me to believe the civilians of Gaza are guiltless and helpless.

Are you sure you're not a secret MAGA double agent? You seem to have a titanium frame built in your mind that helps you really believe things that just ain't so


I don't know what to tell you partner other than your article does nothing to disprove the Palestinians collision with and support of Hamas. If anything, your detailed list of abuses in the face of very underwhelming odds actually lend credence to disbelieving you.

i do not need you to believe what i said or wrote and you are the one living with the ruling of trump but im glad to see you are accepting without a problem the issues created by israel that are now shown to the world and that you are accepting that all palestinians are pro hamas

... i will make you happy i believe that all us citizen are pro trumps as they are not getting rid off him you just did see the analogy ... prove me wrong lol

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
Oh, I think I see i guess, you're just nuts.

So i think I read very carefully, the entire article you posted detailed the continued abuses of Hamas against the very people that give them comfort. I hope we weren't supposed to be surprised.

I looked earlier just to remind myself, Hamas is believed to have no more than 20k soldiers and the population of Gaza is 2 million. That's 100/1 against Hamas and you want me to believe the civilians of Gaza are guiltless and helpless.

Are you sure you're not a secret MAGA double agent? You seem to have a titanium frame built in your mind that helps you really believe things that just ain't so


I don't know what to tell you partner other than your article does nothing to disprove the Palestinians collision with and support of Hamas. If anything, your detailed list of abuses in the face of very underwhelming odds actually lend credence to disbelieving you.

i do not need you to believe what i said or wrote and you are the one living with the ruling of trump but im glad to see you are accepting without a problem the issues created by israel that are now shown to the world and that you are accepting that all palestinians are pro hamas

... i will make you happy i believe that all us citizen are pro trumps as they are not getting rid off him you just did see the analogy ... prove me wrong lol

You have a good point, Medved. Just like all or most Americans do not support Trump, all or most Palestinians probably don't support Hamas. The children can't be assigned blame for Hamas, regardless of adult complicity.

Am I wrong here, or is it not true than Hamas got into power with an election victory from the Palestinians? Sounds to me like they were all in.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Am I wrong here, or is it not true than Hamas got into power with an election victory from the Palestinians? Sounds to me like they were all in.

read what i posted: while the occupied and besieged Gaza Strip was administered by Hamas, a nationalist Islamist party, in the absence of national elections since 2006.

to help you as well trump was elected ...

Hamas won an election a decade or two back, then once in power declared there was no more need for elections.

I wonder if most of the Palestinians who voted for Hamas originally agreed with giving up their right to vote ever after?

Calls to mind all the voters who got suckered into voting for Trump, against their own interests.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
If the PLO (basically Hezbollah today) had been cleaned out the barracks would not have been bombed in ‘83 and the country would not have Hezbollah today. The job was left incomplete.

Further, the Sabra Shatilla occurred after the PLO had assassinated General Bashir. The accounts of the “mutilations” are troubling but they are not well corroborated by none biased sources.

I’m sorry Lane, you are convinced you are correct but I’m afraid you are wrong.

The PLO had withdrawn from Shatila a couple of weeks before the massacre. I didn’t say they didn’t exist any more I said they had left the camps which were the site of the massacre.

When the militias went into the camps and massacred several thousand people what casualties did they sustain? Two fighters with flesh wounds, or two killed, depending on who you believe. If the place was stuffed with PLO fighters do you really think that would have been the extent of their resistance?

You are also incorrect in conflating Hezbollah with the PLO. The two are nothing to do with each other. Most Palestinians are Sunni, Hezbollah is a Shiite organisation backed by Iran, the PLO was formed by the Arab League in the 60s and it still exists today as the Palestinian authority in the West Bank.

You are also incorrect that the PLO assassinated Bachir. He was killed by a bomb planted by a Christian Maronite who was a member of a Syrian nationalist party the name of which I forget, but who’s aims were the creation of a “ greater Syria “ to include what today is Lebanon. Nothing to do with the PLO.

Some sources say that the IDF told the Lebanese militias that the PLO was responsible for the bombing. But as above, it’s inaccurate.

You are also incorrect that reports of mutilations are unfounded. They come from both an American journalist and a Norwegian diplomat. Both separately reported that these mutilations were seen when they entered the camps shortly after the massacres.

I’m not trying to show or argue that Israel is the party at fault here, or that the Palestinians are blameless, both sides have a long list of shitty things they have done to the other.

Given the number of inaccuracies in your two para post with respect I hope this might prompt you to look further into the mess that is the current situation, not a dig or an insult.