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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...ssage-white-men.html Sounds about what we hear here from the Faction. | ||
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No way in hell I’m going to subscribe to the NYT to read a link… Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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I am sorry. I will copy and paste the article. Did not realize you would have to subscribe. | |||
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A text message sent by Tucker Carlson that set off a panic at the highest levels of Fox on the eve of its billion-dollar defamation trial showed its most popular host sharing his private, inflammatory views about violence and race. The discovery of the message contributed to a chain of events that ultimately led to Mr. Carlson’s firing. In the message, sent to one of his producers in the hours after violent Trump supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Mr. Carlson described how he had recently watched a video of a group of men — Trump supporters, he said — violently attacking “an Antifa kid.” It was “three against one, at least,” he wrote. And then he expressed a sense of dismay that the attackers, like him, were white. “Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously,” he wrote. “It’s not how white men fight,” he said. But he said he found himself for a moment wanting the group to kill the person he had described as the Antifa kid. Tucker Carlson’s Text to a Producer Exhibit 276 Tucker Carlson January 7, 2021 — 04:18:04 PM UTC A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shit out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is? For years, Mr. Carlson espoused views on his show that amplified the ideology of white nationalism. But the text message revealed more about his views on racial superiority. The text alarmed the Fox board, which saw the message a day before Fox was set to defend itself against Dominion Voting Systems before a jury. The board grew concerned that the message could become public at trial when Mr. Carlson was on the stand, creating a sensational and damaging moment that would raise broader questions about the company. The day after the discovery, the board told Fox executives it was bringing in an outside law firm to conduct an investigation into Mr. Carlson’s conduct. The text message added to a growing number of internal issues involving Mr. Carlson that led the company’s leadership to conclude he was more of a problem than an asset and had to go, according to several people with knowledge of the decision. In other messages he had referred to women — including a senior Fox executive — in crude and misogynistic terms. The message about the fight also played a role in the company’s decision to settle with Dominion for $787.5 million, the highest known payout in a defamation case. A representative for Mr. Carlson said he had no comment. The text is part of redacted court filings and its contents were previously unreported. The contents of the text were disclosed in interviews with several people close to the defamation lawsuit against Fox. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing a message that is protected by a court order. In public filings, it remains hidden behind a block of black text. Mr. Carlson’s messages were collected as part of the defamation lawsuit filed against Fox by Dominion, which accused the network of knowingly airing falsehoods about election fraud. Many of the messages shared in the case, including those among Fox executives and hosts, were released publicly. But others, like the one between Mr. Carlson and one of his producers in the hours after Jan. 6, 2021, remain redacted. In that text, Mr. Carlson described his own emotions as he watched the video of the violent clash, which he said took place on the streets of Washington. Mr. Carlson did not describe the race of the man being attacked. “I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it,” he wrote. “Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be.” After all, he wrote, “Somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed.” “If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?” he wrote. The text message came to the attention of Fox’s board of directors and even some senior executives only last month, on the Sunday before the trial was set to begin, according to two people with knowledge of Fox’s internal deliberations. At the time, Fox’s negotiators were entering discussions about an out-of-court settlement ahead of the swearing in of what was shaping up to be a diverse jury. The next day, the board told Fox’s leadership about its plan to have the law firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen and Katz investigate Mr. Carlson. That disclosure set up the possibility that there could be a continuing investigation into what was behind Mr. Carlson’s messages at the same time as a trial, and as he was serving as its top host in prime time. Fox has not commented about Mr. Carlson’s ouster last week beyond an initial statement announcing that they “agreed to part ways” and thanking “him for his service.” It did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday on the contents of Mr. Carlson’s redacted message. It remains unclear how the text escaped more notice earlier, given that the Fox legal team was aware of it and other offensive texts written by Mr. Carlson. Fox’s lawyers had produced the text as part of the discovery process and were involved in the redactions. Mr. Carlson had even been asked about it during a deposition, according to several people who have read the unredacted transcripts of his deposition. It was not guaranteed that the text would have been revealed in open court. Dominion’s lawyers had still not decided whether they would introduce the text in front of the jury, according to people with knowledge of their plans. The two sides disagreed on whether the Dominion lawyers could have presented such a redacted message at trial if they had decided to do so, a decision that would have ultimately fallen to the judge. The difference became moot after Fox struck an 11th-hour deal on April 18 to pay Dominion $787.5 million and avoid trial. How Fox’s executives and board handled the case in the months before the trial was scheduled to begin is expected to be at issue in shareholder lawsuits filed against the company in Delaware. Though Mr. Carlson’s show, “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” was only a small factor in the Dominion suit, his personal texts were drawing outsize scrutiny. The text about the fight came on top of a damaging chain of messages that had been revealed publicly ahead of trial, and that were shocking in their own right. Writing to one of his producers after the assault on the Capitol, Mr. Carlson describes the president he championed on his show as a “demonic force” and a “destroyer.” A recurring theme of his show during the six years that it ran in prime time on Fox News was the displacement of white Americans by people of color. Mr. Carlson often framed topics in the news as part of a larger struggle between “us” and “them,” with immigrants and other marginalized groups steadily and surely taking from whites what had long been theirs: political and cultural power in the United States. He attacked Black social justice activists and portrayed immigrants from Central America as a blight on the nation. He said in 2018 that immigrants make the country “dirtier.” In the aftermath of a mass shooting in El Paso at the hands of a gunman who cited white supremacist beliefs in his manifesto, Mr. Carlson declared on his show that white supremacy was “not a real problem,” likening it to a conspiracy theory. On Monday, The New York Times and other news organizations urged the judge overseeing the Dominion case to release some of the messages that were redacted. | |||
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Im not a fan of Tucker- lets start wiht that. There is language I would not use in that txt too for sure. Its stikes me though that its maybe a poorly worded introspection that while he had a base reaction, his better self realised that that was no way to act and that if he did act tat way he is no better than ( the kid) or more precisely what the kid represents as Antifa. | |||
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Why did they call the text racist? How is a comment like “that’s not how white men fight” so racist and offensive that it could get someone fired? Did I miss something? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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"That's not how white men fight" implies there are other races who do fight that way. It's not a slam against a particular race so much as a claim of white superiority. It's telling about your sincerity that you didn't have any problem picking out the offensive line from the lengthy text. | |||
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What he said was right. Nothing racist about it. Answering the stupid idiots from the local terrorist organization, the BLM! THEY created racism!  | |||
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The above is the liberal hivemind at work. The only "implication" is the one somebody wants to see. Besides the NYT claim is there any proof of attribution or is Heym sharing gossip? | |||
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I don’t have a problem with the text personally…I view it much as Shanks. In the workplace setting, I would never have used those words and would have never put them into a data base (which is basically what you have done with a text). The text to me reveals that Tucker knows the difference between civilized and uncivilized man and highlighted it — now for the whole world to see. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well, we do know that Tucker was fired. So maybe the board of directors thought it was a racist remark. Not part of any liberal hive mind. I simply know how to read. | |||
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You look for and see what you choose in this matter. | |||
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Tucker is fired for being a public white nationalist, Trump trumpet lier. It is how he speaks of the victim that is racist. The apologetic stance used express sympathy to the white attacked. | |||
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It’s all over. When hunters and shooters vote Democrat…we’ve lost. | |||
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If the GOP would nominate a sane candidate this would not be an issue. A traditional Republican would beat Biden handily, but instead the GOP will nominate Trump. The Republicans have nobody to blame but themselves. | |||
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 -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Right. You make a racist statement about not understanding another racist statement. Clueless. If you didn't have a problem with the text, why would you never use those words in a workplace setting? Because you know it would probably be offensive to any non-white workers? And, what does that tell you? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I think when you would not say something in public, you should not be saying it in private. | |||
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What are you allowed to say today in America?? Every little dickead gets offended if you utter anything! A totally fucked up society! Saw a report saying Portland is enacting laws to fine owners of properties if they tell homeless idiots off their properties!!! Only in a country run by Biden and Kamala! The PERFECT NUMBER TWO! | |||
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That’s right, there we go. No more private conversations. Certainly you’ve never said anything in private you wouldn’t say in public. I nominate you Minister of Truth. | |||
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Never said that, thanks. There are plenty of things that can and should be private....But, I guess if you have private conversations that are racist, you're a racist, right? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I'm guessing we're allowed to say a lot more in our country than you in your desert shithole. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Have all the private conversations you want, but if you will not use x words when describing someone in public, that is called a hint. | |||
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Sounds like you are in favor of compelled speech. | |||
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Did I say anything about the state. I said if a person would not described another person in x words in public, that is a clue that the description is not morally appropriate. Compelled speech requests State action. No State action, then no compelled speech. We have had this debate before on what is compelled speech. Case law provided for above assertion. Go read. | |||
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One of my previous employers said before a technical conference not to say anything that you wouldn't want to see in tomorrow morning's paper. My inner racist advises, if the still small voice says STFU, listen to it... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I know perfectly well what compelled speech is thank you. However how else would you enforce your morally appropriate speech? You’re wasting your time thinking you could. | |||
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Closet racist! Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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If the bosses at Fox got ahold of Tuckers text I'd say that wasn't very private. I try to say what I mean and mean what I say and own it, bear the consequences. I disagree with Tuckers comment, that certainly is how white men fight as well as lots of others. I don't see a lot of value in demeaning private conversations. For me, it'd set a bad example or precedent for my friends and family and obviously make yourself a target for conversations like that with yourself as the subject. If you can't say it in front of your mamma or kid, why say it at all? Ephesians 4:29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen.  | |||
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Wrong…I wouldn’t do it because I fear lawyers with itchy trigger fingers who might target me as I have finnancial means. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It was discovered during Discovery in the lawsuit. | |||
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Yep thats the part that struck me most too. Ive seen plenty of white guys gang up on an individual and behave like thugs. | |||
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Wait til' Rupert signs the next two checks..let's read them all...what the hell... | |||
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I'm glad that Carlson was exposed for what he is, and all the associated stuff. XXX "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" FYI - if you ID as "conservative" nowadays, Trump owns you. | |||
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And what is he? You think he is a racist? Good gravy. | |||
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I would say an agitator, a provocateur, an entertainer. Most certainly not a journalist or anyone I will tune in to watch. These type of people make millions of dollars per year causing division in this country. Tucker is no different that Rachel Maddow. | |||
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Like most black so called "leaders?"  | |||
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but speaking of leaders.....any idea if the sheik has any plans to release either of his daughters that he kidnapped 20 years ago? Yeah, the UAE what a wonderful country. | |||
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I will agree there is some merit in what you say. | |||
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