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It seems like a simple question. Yes or no. What I'm hoping for is far more than that. Maybe a yes or no for starters, but I'm looking for support in law and admin, either way. Take the supposed numbers of "illegal" or "unauthorized" crossings for example. In my simple understanding of it, they wouldn't be illegal or unauthorized if the borders were "open". Or, is it somehow more complicated than that? What am I missing? Here's probably an example of the more complicated part. This document was produced by the Senate Republican Conference. It's not dated that I see, but I think it was from 2022. So, is this narrative a bunch of lies, or what? They use the term "open border" in the document. https://www.politico.com/f/?id...22-ab7f-debd59400000 Here's an article from Oct 2023 https://www.axios.com/2023/10/...er-open-borders-myth Axios Explains: The myth of a U.S.-Mexico "open border" ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | ||
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No country has completely open borders. Some, like the US and Canada, have an open border agreement that allows crossing of goods and citizens of both countries by simply stopping at the border and declaring citizenship and reason for travel. | |||
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Okay, TB40, I read your reply this time mostly because it's the only reply so far. And it's a reasonable and straight-forward response. So, why is the term "open borders" even in the national conversation? What reality does it represent if it just ain't so? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I can only guess. It's the easy way to explain things to the masses who dont want to learn the complexity of border law, that differs by country of origin. | |||
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Because Republicans lie without shame. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Well, I'm guessing too, somewhat informed by collateral information. It looks to me like it's a catch phrase for a massive political narrative. In itself the term "open border" means a lot to GOPers. It captures the whole narrative which is entirely about making Biden and admin wrong. If GOPers really had any intent or worry about fixing the border crisis, they would and could. Part of the collateral information I'm talking about is that they had a bi-partisan bill package of solutions, but Trump nixed it before it could be brought to the floor. From the info I have, the only reason for that was to avoid anything that might give Biden a win. IOW, GOPers would rather let the so deemed border crisis continue so they could make it part of a fake narrative, specifically to get some political leverage at the polls. One might think that maybe the so-called border crisis might not be as big a deal as the narrative goes. Giving Biden a win, of course, is a big deal. And GOPers seem to accept Trump's stated plan to round up, using the military, door-to-door presumably, 15 to 20 million people, men, women, children, put them in concentration camps, separating families and children, again. But they won't pass a border bill because it might make Biden look good. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Actually, Trump administration hired 500 new asylum officers and reduced the backlog under Obo. That is why Biden uses the claim Trump let more migrants in. 2017-19 they processed more than Obo did in his last 4 yrs, legally. Last July when the house was grilling Mayorkas, they asked if the border was open. Mayorkas said no. ..... But, it is more open than the last administration, because some are gaming the system. When asked to define more open, he said it was a lengthy answer and would have DHS send over a report. You should be able to find and listen to that hearing from last July 2023. It was long, but interesting. Biden himself, when campaigning, told on camera. " my administration will be more welcoming than Trumps. So if you (migrants) want to come, come." Hard to take that back once said. The republicans put forth their own border package from the house. The senate would not bring it to the floor for a vote up or down. You can try to blame one party, but it only works in your head, not in print. Both plans had flaws from my view, at least the house looked at it and voted. The senate could have revised it from there. | |||
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Am I lying here? Do you see any enforcement at all? Any processing going on? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3YLC-aVOQ Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Straight from a crossers mouth. Go to ~2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmTdHoziVy4 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I will be curious to see the outcome of the down ballot elections. Some scream and yell about the house not adopting the senates version of a border bill. Does anyone know what the congress peoples constituents wanted? Were they doing the wishes of their voters, or winging it? Last I knew, they are suppose to be the voice of their district. If they did not vote with their voters choice, they will be voted out this fall. That will be the only real proof if they went rogue or not. | |||
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I have seen the narratives presented by Fox, for example. First thing to understand is that Fox and some others are the propaganda machine of Trump(ism) which now is the same as GOPerism. IMO, one should assume, right up front, that he is not going to be "informed" by Fox, but affirmed instead, and fed. There is no way to get Truth or reality from short edited videos particularly from sources like Fox. Your first linked video above led me to another part of the story. I'm not saying that this is the whole rest of the story, but you won't see it on Fox. This is a five part series, which is way beyond the attention span of most true believers. I watched most of it, each part, skipped ahead some, but you can too and get the messages. Here's part one. The other parts are easily found. https://youtu.be/MOWthjWmS2s?si=85YqQz6UQP4ACgqG (Part 1) The Trek: A Migrant Trail to America CNN’s Nick Paton Walsh, travels with a group of migrants as they make the arduous trek on foot through Central and South America. The journey through the Darien Gap is a perilous jungle crossing between Colombia and Panama that many migrants must face as they head north to seek asylum in the United States. Over five harrowing days, Paton Walsh hikes the full 66-mile roadless route, documenting the heroism of everyday people, milked for cash by drug cartels and unwanted by any country, as they battle the dense rainforest in search of a better life. ========================================================= If you lived in Columbia, for example, and the word spread by the cartels was that GOPers are saying the border is open, would that not give incentive? ======================================================== https://apnews.com/article/pan...opy&utm_medium=share Migrants pass quickly through once impenetrable Darien jungle as governments scramble for answers BY JUAN ZAMORANO Updated 7:16 PM EDT, October 6, 2023 Crossing through the dense, lawless jungle not long ago was unthinkable to most people. In recent years, it became a brutal slog of a week or more. But some migrants arriving this week described an organized trek completed in as little as 2 ½ days on trails marked by colored ribbons and assisted by guides and porters, part of what officials say has become a business generating millions of dollars. https://www.thenewhumanitarian...x-graphs-and-one-map The Darién Gap migration crisis in six graphs, and one map ‘2023 has broken any record. It has been a huge, terrible maelstrom.’ 15 January 2024 Daniela Mohor Latin America Editor-at-large, based in Santiago, Chile A record 520,000 migrants crossed the treacherous jungle corridor connecting Colombia and Panamá – known as the Darién Gap – in 2023. Less than a decade ago, that figure was only a few thousand, but the number has been doubling annually in recent years, and a further surge is expected in 2024. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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It's more likely a big issue with those living here in areas close to the border or the cities which were "gifted" scores and scores of immigrants by the likes of Desantis and Abbott. Here in the middle of Iowa it doesn't seem crisis-like at all. I do sympathize with folks like Lane who have had their property trashed and vandalized by those bastards. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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You are ignoring the fact Biden gave the open invitation before he became president. There has been many reporters who talked to migrants. The migrants said Biden told them is was OK to come. And even had it on their phones. At least try to tell the whole truth. | |||
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ME- I agree with much of what you said. BOTH sides use "reductio ad absurdum" to try to underline the insanity of their oppositions position. My point on the posting of the video is; The border wall, who's effectiveness can be debated, had panels that were actually removed, or turned "open", from their original closed and uninterrupted position. That, in and of itself, tells me the answer to the open border question. I'd welcome differing opinions and possible reasons the wall was opened. One excuse the Biden administration used was that the wall interrupted normal migration of indigenous wildlife. I think that BS. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If you are OK with coming in as an illegal alien…it is wide open. I have personally witnessed hundreds of people crossing watching at distance through my binos. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My understanding is pretty simplistic, ( shocking I know,) I understand that if you cross the border illegally, when caught declare yourself seeking asylum you are processed in some way and cut loose in America while waiting for a final decision. That sounds like a wide open border to me. | |||
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The border is open in the sense that the laws are not being fully followed on the southern border. People are crossing illegally with excessive frequency. They are not being screened. The Canadian border you are being screened. Both sides look at ID and prove you meet the criteria. This is not happening on the southern border. | |||
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Here are the rules: https://www.state.gov/refugee-...Dfounded%20fear%20of https://www.uscis.gov/humanita...ity-and-applications ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Doc, I did a logging job last winter that stopped literally on the Canadian border. BP was on the landing almost daily checking for tracks of illegal crossing. They said it was easy hunting, pick a fresh track and go. They never had snowshoes or proper clothes. But they dont catch them all, just to many. So no, they are not all screened on the northern border. | |||
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But the vast majority are. The border states are not being overwhelmed by Canadian illicit immigration. Open is relative.
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The video is entitled "Thousands of migrants..." and shows a couple dozen. That's lying. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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The ones coming over the Quebec border here are latin american and chinese. If they are in Canada first, they are, per agreement, suppose to take asylum there. | |||
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