Originally posted by shankspony: Well that's not quite true. Russia broke its agreement via declaring that Ukraine was not the same state that it signed the agreement with. Because of the revolution and govt change. Which is Bullshit. US and Britains role in defending Ukraine is ambiguous. There was no security agreement, but security was assured. Just listen to Clinton talk about it.
Bullshit, as usual.
The CIA's Puppet broke every agreement he had with Russia.
Done on purpose to start this war!
Remember the Gulf of Tonkin Incident??
I don't trust the CIA and América one little bit!
History speaks volumes of their crimes against humanity!
Did Wagner help you write that?
23 November 2024, 20:27
nute
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Originally posted by Saeed:
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Originally posted by shankspony: Well that's not quite true. Russia broke its agreement via declaring that Ukraine was not the same state that it signed the agreement with. Because of the revolution and govt change. Which is Bullshit. US and Britains role in defending Ukraine is ambiguous. There was no security agreement, but security was assured. Just listen to Clinton talk about it.
Bullshit, as usual.
The CIA's Puppet broke every agreement he had with Russia.
Saeed, you trot out the Balfour declaration at every opportunity yet you ignore the (sort of) equivalent signed by Ukraine, Russia, the US, the UK etc.
In return for getting rid of Russias nukes Russia guaranteed the the financial and territorial integrity of the Ukraine (and Belarus), this was 1994. In the early 2000's Russia and the US related a further doc to the effect that the security assurances given in 94 would still be respected even tho the START treaty had expired.
Russia has been arming and training and financing separatists in eastern Ukraine - which you ignore - long before zelenski had anything to do with politics. Then Russia invaded Crimea, long before zelenski was involved in politics.
Your assertion that Russia is somehow reacting to zelenski is ridiculous. And the same goes for Russia not making the first military move. The facts have been explained to you several times before but you ignore them.
23 November 2024, 20:46
M.Shy
It’s just like divorces, there is good portion of faults on both sides and it just depends whose side you’re on and believe it
Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
23 November 2024, 23:52
4WD
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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: Trump's major appeasement was to give up Afghanistan to the Taliban under the Doha Agreement.
Trump got snookered at the bargaining table.
Really? How is that? I call more bull shit. Let’s hear your long version on that Mr. academic.
24 November 2024, 02:19
madbaum
FJB
24 November 2024, 05:29
LHeym500
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Originally posted by 4WD:
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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: Trump's major appeasement was to give up Afghanistan to the Taliban under the Doha Agreement.
Trump got snookered at the bargaining table.
Really? How is that? I call more bull shit. Let’s hear your long version on that Mr. academic.
Again, you need to type less and read more. Trump’s Administration negotiated the entire withdrawal form to the day. President Biden to his everlasting shame followed Trump’s Administration’s withdrawal plan.
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: Trump's major appeasement was to give up Afghanistan to the Taliban under the Doha Agreement.
Trump got snookered at the bargaining table.
Really? How is that? I call more bull shit. Let’s hear your long version on that Mr. academic.
Again, you need to type less and read more. Trump’s Administration negotiated the entire withdrawal form to the day. President Biden to his everlasting shame followed Trump’s Administration’s withdrawal plan.
All four presidents bear equal guilt and shame for our capitulation and defeat in Afghanistan.
24 November 2024, 09:19
SlamFire
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Originally posted by LHeym500: I saw a great QandA by a professor. I have posted her here before.
Her thesis was that nation building went well in Europe, Germany after WWII bc these states had a foundation of economic, political, institutional structure to build back on. Where Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq had no fundamental structure. We were building a house from scratch and having to source and hew timber to do it at the same time.
Sure sounds like an ignorant Western wokish expert. So, Afghanistan and Iraq were broke, and the West had the cure. The cure being Gay Race Communism.
Did anyone ask the Afghans or the Iraqis if their society was so broke that their religion needed to be destroyed, or their culture needed to be replaced with Western Gay Race Communism?
The fact the Afghans fought so long against the US shows, they are happy being who they are. And they don’t need or want the West to come in and “fix” them.
I listened to a BBC radio program, and the presenter, Ray Stewart had been a Diplomat in Kabal. He was briefed that the purpose of the Western policy was to make every Afghani live in a
• Gender sensitive society (I assume this was LGBTQuerty++) • Multiethnic society • Centralized State • Based on human rights and the Rule of Law.
And Mr Stewart’s comment was, he did not know a way to express these principles in the Afghan language.
Arrogant Westerners are always meddling in other people’s societies, because they can.
24 November 2024, 11:19
Saeed
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Originally posted by nute:
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Originally posted by Saeed:
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Originally posted by shankspony: Well that's not quite true. Russia broke its agreement via declaring that Ukraine was not the same state that it signed the agreement with. Because of the revolution and govt change. Which is Bullshit. US and Britains role in defending Ukraine is ambiguous. There was no security agreement, but security was assured. Just listen to Clinton talk about it.
Bullshit, as usual.
The CIA's Puppet broke every agreement he had with Russia.
Saeed, you trot out the Balfour declaration at every opportunity yet you ignore the (sort of) equivalent signed by Ukraine, Russia, the US, the UK etc.
In return for getting rid of Russias nukes Russia guaranteed the the financial and territorial integrity of the Ukraine (and Belarus), this was 1994. In the early 2000's Russia and the US related a further doc to the effect that the security assurances given in 94 would still be respected even tho the START treaty had expired.
Russia has been arming and training and financing separatists in eastern Ukraine - which you ignore - long before zelenski had anything to do with politics. Then Russia invaded Crimea, long before zelenski was involved in politics.
Your assertion that Russia is somehow reacting to zelenski is ridiculous. And the same goes for Russia not making the first military move. The facts have been explained to you several times before but you ignore them.
The Balfour Declaration!
Everyone wants to forget it.
Your media doesn’t want to mention it.
It shows what a major crime against humanity you created.
Which has been continuously delivering the human misery you knew would happen!
The CIA knocked off the winner of the election in Iran
Look where that has gotten us.
The CIA install the current PUPPET in the Ukraine.
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: Trump's major appeasement was to give up Afghanistan to the Taliban under the Doha Agreement.
Trump got snookered at the bargaining table.
Really? How is that? I call more bull shit. Let’s hear your long version on that Mr. academic.
Short version. Of course he was snookered. What kind of moron would believe that the Afghan army would continue to fight the Taliban when they would in a matter of months control their government, their weapons, and their paychecks? The scary part is, an unnumbered flock of American government and military personnel went along with the joke, right up to its miserable punch line.
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
24 November 2024, 19:23
MJines
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Originally posted by MJines:
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Originally posted by M.Shy: My inclination is that Dnieper is Russian goal for border Again, it is a mess and now the ball is in Trump’s court This is a tough nut to crack for it being border dispute with majority/minority people involved it will technically never end
Clock is running on OJ, got less than two months. Promises made, promises kept.
"That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president . . . If I win, when I'm president-elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together. I know Zelenskyy very well and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship and they respect your president, O.K., they respect me, they don't respect Biden."
Donald Trump September 10, 2024
. . . just 57 days now until there is peace between Russia and Ukraine. Better times in Eastern Europe are just around the corner. Promises made, promises kept.
Mike
24 November 2024, 19:27
Saeed
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Originally posted by MJines:
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Originally posted by MJines:
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Originally posted by M.Shy: My inclination is that Dnieper is Russian goal for border Again, it is a mess and now the ball is in Trump’s court This is a tough nut to crack for it being border dispute with majority/minority people involved it will technically never end
Clock is running on OJ, got less than two months. Promises made, promises kept.
"That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president . . . If I win, when I'm president-elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together. I know Zelenskyy very well and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship and they respect your president, O.K., they respect me, they don't respect Biden."
Donald Trump September 10, 2024
. . . just 57 days now until there is peace between Russia and Ukraine. Better times in Eastern Europe are just around the corner. Promises made, promises kept.
Originally posted by shankspony: Well that's not quite true. Russia broke its agreement via declaring that Ukraine was not the same state that it signed the agreement with. Because of the revolution and govt change. Which is Bullshit. US and Britains role in defending Ukraine is ambiguous. There was no security agreement, but security was assured. Just listen to Clinton talk about it.
Bullshit, as usual.
The CIA's Puppet broke every agreement he had with Russia.
Saeed, you trot out the Balfour declaration at every opportunity yet you ignore the (sort of) equivalent signed by Ukraine, Russia, the US, the UK etc.
In return for getting rid of Russias nukes Russia guaranteed the the financial and territorial integrity of the Ukraine (and Belarus), this was 1994. In the early 2000's Russia and the US related a further doc to the effect that the security assurances given in 94 would still be respected even tho the START treaty had expired.
Russia has been arming and training and financing separatists in eastern Ukraine - which you ignore - long before zelenski had anything to do with politics. Then Russia invaded Crimea, long before zelenski was involved in politics.
Your assertion that Russia is somehow reacting to zelenski is ridiculous. And the same goes for Russia not making the first military move. The facts have been explained to you several times before but you ignore them.
The Balfour Declaration!
Everyone wants to forget it.
Your media doesn’t want to mention it.
It shows what a major crime against humanity you created.
Which has been continuously delivering the human misery you knew would happen!
The CIA knocked off the winner of the election in Iran
Look where that has gotten us.
The CIA install the current PUPPET in the Ukraine.
Look what has that gotten us!
You picked a bunch of commies to rule you now.
Already showing the real benefits of your choice!
Balfour - don't disagree, but Balfour what the leader of the jewish community in the UK. It was made in 1917 I think. The jewish state gained independence about 30 years afterward.
Iran - agree. Bloody stupid thing to do.
Ukraine - you are talking out of your backside im afraid. Zelenski won an election. You might not like it but that's the fact.
Starmer - agree.
25 November 2024, 07:58
LHeym500
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Balfour
This was not authoritative policy when it was written.
