then it starts and i will be easier to take over denmark and canada if you are not anymore part of NATO ...

for sure we have pay our dues but not a reason unless you want to help putin in europe ...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...d/story?id=119529187

Trump questions if NATO would defend US, but 1,000 allies were killed in the war on terror

NATO's Article 5 was invoked only once -- after the 9/11 attacks on the US.


President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned if NATO allies would come to the aid of the United States in the event of an attack.

“Do you think they’re going to come and protect us? They’re supposed to. I’m not so sure,” Trump said as he took reporters' questions after signing executive orders in the Oval Office.

Except it’s not a hypothetical: In fact, NATO's Article 5 clause has been invoked only once in the alliance’s 76-year history, and that was on September 12, 2001 -- the day after Al Qaeda killed almost 3,000 people on American soil.
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After 20 years of war, most of those killed in the coalition were American, but well over 1,000 of them were international partners.

Article 5 is a core tenet of the alliance and dictates that an armed attack on any member is to be considered an attack on all.


Trump's comments came after he again suggested the U.S. may not help NATO allies if they don't pay enough for defense.

"Are you going to make that policy, U.S. policy, that the U.S. wouldn't defend NATO countries that don't pay?" a reporter asked him directly.

"Well, I think it's common sense, right?" Trump responded. "If they don't pay, I'm not going to defend them. No, I'm not going to defend them. I got into a lot of heat when I said that. You said, 'Oh, he's violating NATO.'"
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He continued, "You know, the biggest problem I have with NATO, I really, you know, I mean, I know the guys very well. They're friends of mine. But if the United States was in trouble and we called them, we said, we got a problem, France. We got a problem, a couple of others I won’t mention. Do you think they're going to come and protect us? They're supposed to. I'm not so sure."

The rhetoric isn't new for Trump. In the 2024 campaign, he made headlines for stating he'd "encourage" Russia "to do whatever the hell they want" to NATO allies who don't spend enough defense funds.

NATO's Article 5 was invoked only once -- after the 9/11 attacks on the US.

Trump has a toddler's understanding of history, among other things.

do not forget his first rant in 1987 against the allies that should pay the usa for all the people died and not paying enough usa directly ...

needless to say it was after his first trip to moscow where he used a private jet with two russian colonels onboard ... but not to worry about trump being pro russians lol

Everytime he opens his big mouth, the stock market crashes.

What kind of idiot says stuff like this? Not only Russia will be encouraged, but China. Does anyone think Trump would get involved if China invades Taiwan?

It is very obvious to me early in Trump’s National life he had no idea what NATO was. He has refused any attempt to be educated on the matter. That sentence is documented and reported.

NAT0 is a mutual defense treaty designed to deter, ensure Russia is contained and does not invade other nations. NATO was our idea and Canada, who are. Easter claims wrongly as being a bad neighbor, signed with us.

NATO is approved by the Senate.

It is not a pay to play scheme. Its terms are unambiguous. When a member is attacked by Russia all are under attack.


Article 5

In 1949, the primary aim of the North Atlantic Treaty – NATO’s founding treaty – was to create a pact of mutual assistance to counter the risk that the Soviet Union would seek to extend its control of Eastern Europe to other parts of the continent.

Every participating country agreed that this form of solidarity was at the heart of the Treaty, effectively making Article 5 on collective defence a key component of the Alliance.

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.

Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

This article is complemented by Article 6, which stipulates:

Article 61

“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”

NATO came to our fight after 9/11. Trump and his fake right wingers lead by the likes of Dr. Easter on here has done what the Soviet Union could not do. That being the dismantling of NATO. Canada is a NATO member. Here we are w our conservative Canadian AR members decrying an end to U.S. and Canada economic and strategic partnership.

The Trumpers have forever harmed our collective security and international relationships. President Carter was not this useful to the Russian geopolitical aims.

Trump has any knowledge he would not question what NATO would do. NATO invoked Article 5 and treated the attack of 9/11 as an attack on all.

This is not only about russia. China takes notes about the US' willingness to abandon allies and its willingness to throw victims of their aggression under the bus. As does Iran, North Korea, India, Venezuela, ...

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Everytime he opens his big mouth, the stock market crashes.

What kind of idiot says stuff like this? Not only Russia will be encouraged, but China. Does anyone think Trump would get involved if China invades Taiwan?

Of course not, that would jeopardize the 41 + patents that his daughter Ivanka picked up in China during his first go-around.