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Trump seeks to block 'imminent' release of special counsel Jack Smith's report

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Donald Trump Urges Jack Smith Be Fired, Stop Report From Being Released

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Judge temporarily blocks release of special counsel's Trump report
Story by Robert Legare • 25m • 2 min read


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Trump acts like he's got something to hide

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Judge Aileen Cannon issued an order on Tuesday preventing the Justice Department from releasing the report while a legal battle plays out. Prosecutors said in an earlier filing that the two-volume document could be released as early as Friday, pending a decision by Attorney General Merrick Garland.

Earlier on Tuesday, attorneys for Trump's former codefendants Walt Nauta and Carlos de Oliveira filed an emergency motion similar to that which they filed earlier in Cannon's court, asking the appeals court to block the release of Smith's report.

Cannon ruled Tuesday that her order "remains in effect until three days after resolution by the Eleventh Circuit of the Emergency Motion, unless the Eleventh Circuit orders otherwise," meaning the appeals court will be left to decide whether the special counsel report can be released.

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Also:

https://www.usatoday.com/story...7007/?csp=chromepush

Garland to Trump: Go F*** yourself. So, sue me.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7a7b99429b839b&ei=19

Garland plans to release Jack Smith's Jan. 6 report over Trump's objections
Story by Erin Doherty • 1h • 1 min read

"Peaceful Transfer of Power"

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
"Peaceful Transfer of Power"

That was certified two days ago.

The revelations of Truth based in facts and evidence to the public is thoroughly consistent with peaceful transfer of power.

It's especially important when the power shift was facilitated through lies and deceit, and the "process" of transfer is more important to abide than the corrupt shift.

So, where is the "problem"?

Hummm. I think the answer is obvious.

There is nothing violent about this.

Would release the report? No, Trump is innocent until proven guilty. This case bc of Trump’s election will never see a trial. He remains innocent. President Biden should have pardoned him, and be done w it.

The Governors of GA and NY should too.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
"Peaceful Transfer of Power"

That was certified two days ago.

The revelations of Truth based in facts and evidence to the public is thoroughly consistent with peaceful transfer of power.

So, where is the "problem"?

Hummm. I think the answer is obvious.

no problem and I agree, the technical transfer went according to Hoyle.

But there are more than one way to monkey-wrench the incoming administration.

Like Judge Merhan's NY case and the Jack Smith report. Can anyone IN COMPLETE HONESTY state that there is no ill intent with with either event?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is nothing violent about this.

Would release the report? No, Trump is innocent until proven guilty. This case bc of Trump’s election will never see a trial. He remains innocent. President Biden should have pardoned him, and be done w it.

The Governors of GA and NY should too.

Nice post and I agree.

I disagree.

The "report" as I understand it is not a declaration of innocence or guilt.

It's a report on the underlying evidence discovered.

Since the case in all probability will never be tried, the public has the right to know the truth of what happened. Trump and Team should not have free reign to spin the narrative, for history's sake.

History should show that Trump beat the system by spewing lies.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I disagree.

The "report" as I understand it is not a declaration of innocence or guilt.

It's a report on the underlying evidence discovered.

Since the case in all probability will never be tried, the public has the right to know the truth of what happened. Trump and Team should not have free reign to spin the narrative, for history's sake.

With no independent review of its content, he can make all sorts of un-confirmed accusations and facts spun in a certain way.

It sets a dangerous precedent.

That dangerous precedent has already been set -- "make all sorts of un-confirmed accusations and facts spun in a certain way".

Trump and Team did that in the public arena, the court of public opinion. He doesn't have exclusive right to that, YET.

So, the point of releasing the redacted report to the court of public opinion is to tell the truth, as though it still matters and while it can still be done.

Trump will spin it anyway, consistent with all the spin already. But we will have a concise, well written, fact-based report to rely on.

I see issues with releasing it.

Would it be appropriate to release the investigative files of any person that the AG office declines to prosecute?

That being said, the time to release the information was before the election… when it would have been meaningful - if you are going to release it.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That dangerous precedent has already been set -- "make all sorts of un-confirmed accusations and facts spun in a certain way".

Trump and Team did that in the public arena, the court of public opinion. He doesn't have exclusive right to that, YET.

So, the point of releasing the redacted report to the court of public opinion is to tell the truth, as though it still matters and while it can still be done.

Fine, But who's version of the truth.

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Fine, But who's version of the truth.

The version that's utterly NOT based in Belief in Fiction. There's only one version that meets that criterion.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I see issues with releasing it.

Would it be appropriate to release the investigative files of any person that the AG office declines to prosecute?

That being said, the time to release the information was before the election… when it would have been meaningful - if you are going to release it.

It's not the "investigative files" as I understand it. It's the evidence, redacted, which supports the prosecution, which has been thwarted. Presumably, such evidence meets the burden of proof, a high bar in criminal cases.

I see plenty of reason to NOT have released the information evidence before the election. First, had Trump lost the prosecution would have been tainted bigly. Second it would have been claimed as election interference, and IMO rightly so.

Releasing it now, since the election is over and prosecution moot, is appropriate for future reference.

The prosecutions evidence may or may not meet burden of proof or even reasonable suspicion. If it’s edited and redacted, even more so.

If it “meets burden of proof” why even have a trial?

As to it would interfere with prosecution, well, now it is being released so it interferes with prosecution going forward. It also was not something that was going to occur if he won, regardless.

I would think from your POV, having Trump not get elected was the bigger point, not having him serve prison time.

As to your admission that it would be election interference, that kind of is an admission that you think this is lawfare.

Facts are facts. Opinions, especially presented as facts, or selective release of information, especially when you are in a position to claim it is the whole truth and nothing but is election interference.

I don’t think anyone denies that outside (and internal) agents try and influence elections. Whether it’s effective and who to blame and how to stop the issue is a whole different kettle of fish.

How do we stop say TikTok from influencing its users on their political positions?

[quote]Second it would have been claimed as election interference, and IMO rightly so.[/quote



So, in your opinion, people should not have access to the truth before they vote?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The prosecutions evidence may or may not meet burden of proof or even reasonable suspicion. If it’s edited and redacted, even more so.

If it “meets burden of proof” why even have a trial?

As to it would interfere with prosecution, well, now it is being released so it interferes with prosecution going forward. It also was not something that was going to occur if he won, regardless.

I would think from your POV, having Trump not get elected was the bigger point, not having him serve prison time.

As to your admission that it would be election interference, that kind of is an admission that you think this is lawfare.

Facts are facts. Opinions, especially presented as facts, or selective release of information, especially when you are in a position to claim it is the whole truth and nothing but is election interference.

I don’t think anyone denies that outside (and internal) agents try and influence elections. Whether it’s effective and who to blame and how to stop the issue is a whole different kettle of fish.

How do we stop say TikTok from influencing its

users on their political positions?

I agree w all of this.

DOJ policy for as long as o could remember was not to release information on folks who are not going to be prosecuted. Trump barring impeachment or Insurrection Clause, U.S. not going to be prosecuted for this. Those two prerequisites are not happening either.

Folks tried. They tried in good faith based on the law. Trump won, not on the Court of LW, but at the ballot box and to a greater extent in forming new S. Ct., precedents.

It is time to move on. This is an excesses in futility that only smears a man who is innocent. That is the law. The government is not and never will be in a position to overcome that legal presumption.

Frankly, President Boston should pardon him of all Fed cases. Trump won. He is going to be the President. Congress while it could is not going to intervene. The Speaker owes his job to this President Elect.

Tilting at Windmills is only going to make the politics of Trump stronger.

The people knew about these cars, the pleadings were available and reported on, and the electorate knew Trump was being and had been prosecuted. A majority did not and do not care.

So be it. It is time to move on.

I dm surprised the Gov of GA has not already issued a pardon, but that case seems dying if not dead.

If I were a setting president or governor of NY or GA, I would listen to the voice of the sovereign people and issue pardons.

There is enough policy to debate w the politics of Trump so continuing this lost cause.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The prosecutions evidence may or may not meet burden of proof or even reasonable suspicion. If it’s edited and redacted, even more so.

If it “meets burden of proof” why even have a trial?

As to it would interfere with prosecution, well, now it is being released so it interferes with prosecution going forward. It also was not something that was going to occur if he won, regardless.

I would think from your POV, having Trump not get elected was the bigger point, not having him serve prison time.

As to your admission that it would be election interference, that kind of is an admission that you think this is lawfare.

Facts are facts. Opinions, especially presented as facts, or selective release of information, especially when you are in a position to claim it is the whole truth and nothing but is election interference.

I don’t think anyone denies that outside (and internal) agents try and influence elections. Whether it’s effective and who to blame and how to stop the issue is a whole different kettle of fish.

How do we stop say TikTok from influencing its users on their political positions?

A prosecutor like Jack Smith and Garland, IMO would know whether the prosecution's case has met the burden of proof. As I understand it, the evidence has to be sufficient to pass muster with the grand jury.

Trump's winning is the only real deterrent to prosecution.

I'm not admitting or inferring lawfare on DOJ's side at all. They got snookered with lawfare.

And foremost, the cases were decided in the court of public opinion where burdens of proof per the rule of law are NA. Trump won and beat the system and rule of law based purely on lies, none of which would stand in legal court.

So it's hypocritical to say that the narrative of facts and evidence shouldn't also be available in the court of public opinion to the same degree the lies and spin was/is, for whatever its worth.

The "worth" is questionable simply because the public already knew enough damning evidence, yet the evidence was an asset to Trump. The lies were an asset. Those believers in fiction will find ways to dismiss and spin Smith's report. That is reason enough to put it out there to me. Let them spin.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
The prosecutions evidence may or may not meet burden of proof or even reasonable suspicion. If it’s edited and redacted, even more so.

If it “meets burden of proof” why even have a trial?

As to it would interfere with prosecution, well, now it is being released so it interferes with prosecution going forward. It also was not something that was going to occur if he won, regardless.

I would think from your POV, having Trump not get elected was the bigger point, not having him serve prison time.

As to your admission that it would be election interference, that kind of is an admission that you think this is lawfare.

Facts are facts. Opinions, especially presented as facts, or selective release of information, especially when you are in a position to claim it is the whole truth and nothing but is election interference.

I don’t think anyone denies that outside (and internal) agents try and influence elections. Whether it’s effective and who to blame and how to stop the issue is a whole different kettle of fish.

How do we stop say TikTok from influencing its

users on their political positions?

I agree w all of this.

DOJ policy for as long as o could remember was not to release information on folks who are not going to be prosecuted. Trump barring impeachment or Insurrection Clause, U.S. not going to be prosecuted for this. Those two prerequisites are not happening either.

Folks tried. They tried in good faith based on the law. Trump won, not on the Court of LW, but at the ballot box and to a greater extent in forming new S. Ct., precedents.

It is time to move on. This is an excesses in futility that only smears a man who is innocent. That is the law. The government is not and never will be in a position to overcome that legal presumption.

Frankly, President Boston should pardon him of all Fed cases. Trump won. He is going to be the President. Congress while it could is not going to intervene. The Speaker owes his job to this President Elect.

Tilting at Windmills is only going to make the politics of Trump stronger.

The people knew about these cars, the pleadings were available and reported on, and the electorate knew Trump was being and had been prosecuted. A majority did not and do not care.

So be it. It is time to move on.

I dm surprised the Gov of GA has not already issued a pardon, but that case seems dying if not dead.

If I were a setting president or governor of NY or GA, I would listen to the voice of the sovereign people and issue pardons.

There is enough policy to debate w the politics of Trump so continuing this lost cause.

Wow! A well reasoned opinion. Credit where credit due. Well said.

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And foremost, the cases were decided in the court of public opinion where burdens of proof per the rule of law are NA. Trump won and beat the system and rule of law based purely on lies, none of which would stand in legal court.

Since when is public opinion supposed to influence judicial proceedings?

I read LHeym's post thus:

It's the bed Trump and MAGA made. Let's all wallow in it.

IMO they should wallow in it. It's not my bed or making. And it's nasty there.

If for no other reason, it should be released because they don't want it to spoil their narratives.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

And foremost, the cases were decided in the court of public opinion where burdens of proof per the rule of law are NA. Trump won and beat the system and rule of law based purely on lies, none of which would stand in legal court.

Since when is public opinion supposed to influence judicial proceedings?

Since when? it culminated with the results of the last election, and got a good nudge with SCOTUS decision about POTUS immunity. Effectively the judicial proceeding of fed prosecution of Trump came to a screeching halt last November.

Trump has obtained a protected status as president. That is not debatable.

The sovereign people bestowed that legal status upon Trump. They knew about all of this. They did not care.

It falls to Congress to use the tools provided in the Constitution to prevent Trump’s investiture. That being impeachment or the Insurrection Clause. Congress is not going to act.


This is done and should be over. Trump won. It is time to move on and focus on policy and people.

Yes, we have to wallow with them. There is no they. It is we. We the People. The sovereign people have spoken. We are all stuck w Trump and the policies of Trumpism/MAGA for ill and good.

The debate must move past Trump to policy and people. Trump being prosecuted federally is foreclosed.

I would sanctify the will of the people, of us, and pardon Trump at all levels.

President Biden should have done it a long time ago. I said it a long time ago.

Fold often question why the executive of a state of the federal government gets to pardon people. This with Trump is as good an example I can give post Civil War.

There is nothing in that report that is going to change any minds. We have folks here that condemn the Jan 6 Committee as treason who never watched nor read their work.

Everyone knows. They may not know how much buttermilk to put in the pancake mix, but they know what pancakes are, and if they like pancakes.

In addition, Trump of these Fed charges is innocent. DOJ should not be trying to muck w the presumption of innocence other than what can happen on an open courtroom. Period and full stop.

So how many classified documents will groper cleveland try to get his hands on this time around?

Once he gets sworn in, he can look at all of them. In doing so, he looks at them and makes decisions based on them for all of us.

I do not like it, but he is my president elect. Soon, he will be my President.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Once he gets sworn in, he can look at all of them. In doing so, he looks at them and makes decisions based on them for all of us.

I do not like it, but he is my president elect. Soon, he will be my President.

Of course he can look, but he's not allowed to keep them or a copy of them.

I will await to see if he makes the same mistake twice. I bet this time he will declassify or have Congress pass some bill to elevate illegality.

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I bet this time he will declassify or have Congress pass some bill to elevate illegality.

Why bother. He's immune. He's above the law.

He can steal, lie, retribute, whenever he wants, with impunity. Only his conscience constrains him.

Oh wait - he has no conscience.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
I do not like it, but he is my president elect. Soon, he will be my President.

Good Boy.

Of course I don't like it either. He will be the next president of the nation in which I'm a citizen.

Trump and Trumpism are so bad that logically one might think those who voted him in will soon realize what they have done. I think that's false hope, because the same illogic that got him there will support him no matter what.

The only exception to this in my mind is that the voters did not know everything about the situation, good or bad. The government does not release the data in a comprehensive or reasonable sense.

You have to take on faith that the system works appropriately… and there have been documentation of many abuses in the legal system over the decades.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump has obtained a protected status as president. That is not debatable.

The sovereign people bestowed that legal status upon Trump. They knew about all of this. They did not care.

It falls to Congress to use the tools provided in the Constitution to prevent Trump’s investiture. That being impeachment or the Insurrection Clause. Congress is not going to act.


This is done and should be over. Trump won. It is time to move on and focus on policy and people.

Yes, we have to wallow with them. There is no they. It is we. We the People. The sovereign people have spoken. We are all stuck w Trump and the policies of Trumpism/MAGA for ill and good.

The debate must move past Trump to policy and people. Trump being prosecuted federally is foreclosed.

I would sanctify the will of the people, of us, and pardon Trump at all levels.

President Biden should have done it a long time ago. I said it a long time ago.

Fold often question why the executive of a state of the federal government gets to pardon people. This with Trump is as good an example I can give post Civil War.

There is nothing in that report that is going to change any minds. We have folks here that condemn the Jan 6 Committee as treason who never watched nor read their work.

Everyone knows. They may not know how much buttermilk to put in the pancake mix, but they know what pancakes are, and if they like pancakes.

In addition, Trump of these Fed charges is innocent. DOJ should not be trying to muck w the presumption of innocence other than what can happen on an open courtroom. Period and full stop.

We all know what Trump’s prosecutions are over. The best source is the Jan 6 committee and the indictments. All of this is public knowledge.

The voting public, the majority, cared more about the price of eggs they had more to do with an avian virus than inflation.

Thst is okay, Trump’s policies if ens red will make consumer goods cost more.

I have no idea what your last sentence is about. There is no documented boss in these prosecutions. The sole issue being a GA state DA appointing her lover as Special Counsel. That had no effect on the Grand Jury process.

The election of Trump is legitimate. There are legitimate tools in the Constitution for Congress to deny him investment being impeachment and the Insurrection Clause. They are not going to trip those failsafes.

He is the president. The people, we, not them, not they, we have blanketed Trump w this legal status.

All this needs to stop and policy debates happen.

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All this needs to stop and policy debates happen.

I wish you good luck with that.

Do you think "policy debate" will work - really?

https://youtu.be/FznbfmZ0JZE?si=BZENjZYK3Gp5Ml7N

Pro-Trump think tank leader makes ominous threat about ‘second American Revolution’

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IMO this last election was in effect policy debate. As you said, "everyone knows" and voted accordingly.

https://theonion.com/america-defeats-america/

Published: November 6, 2024

WASHINGTON—In a historic outcome that promised to halt the rising scourge of the United States in its tracks, America has defeated America at the ballot box, sources confirmed Wednesday. “After 248 years of tense and often divisive conflict, we can finally say, as of this morning, that the nation turned out at the polls and delivered a decisive blow to the nation,” said electoral analyst Kurt Howitzer, describing the results as a remarkable triumph of the democratic experiment over democracy. “It’s a stunning turn of events. But it really shows the power of one citizenry to come together and prevail over themselves. The message was loud and clear: We are sick and tired of our country, and we want it to end.” At press time, millions of emotional Americans had reportedly gathered on the National Mall in an impromptu celebration of their resounding victory over the forces of liberty and equality.

Why would Trump care about blocking the release?? It’s already painfully obvious his drones don’t care. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Madison Avenue and it wouldn’t matter… Of course he would grab them by the pussy or balls first…..rotflmo:

Well, I think the reasons he wants to block the release are obvious. There are several reasons.

It's clear that he's desperate to block it.

For that reason alone, it should be released. especially the part about the insurrection.

He and many GOPers have spent a lot of political capital and TP money spinning and lying about their insurrection.

What a shame to have all that evidence of what they did in the public domain for history.

They say that the winners get to write the history. I think we need an exception to that.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

All this needs to stop and policy debates happen.

I wish you good luck with that.

Do you think "policy debate" will work - really?

https://youtu.be/FznbfmZ0JZE?si=BZENjZYK3Gp5Ml7N

Pro-Trump think tank leader makes ominous threat about ‘second American Revolution’

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IMO this last election was in effect policy debate. As you said, "everyone knows" and voted accordingly.

https://theonion.com/america-defeats-america/

Published: November 6, 2024

WASHINGTON—In a historic outcome that promised to halt the rising scourge of the United States in its tracks, America has defeated America at the ballot box, sources confirmed Wednesday. “After 248 years of tense and often divisive conflict, we can finally say, as of this morning, that the nation turned out at the polls and delivered a decisive blow to the nation,” said electoral analyst Kurt Howitzer, describing the results as a remarkable triumph of the democratic experiment over democracy. “It’s a stunning turn of events. But it really shows the power of one citizenry to come together and prevail over themselves. The message was loud and clear: We are sick and tired of our country, and we want it to end.” At press time, millions of emotional Americans had reportedly gathered on the National Mall in an impromptu celebration of their resounding victory over the forces of liberty and equality.

Policy debate is all we have left and must be engaged. To do less is to surrender the government. To do more is to violate the Constitution.

I would not violate the Constitution even if I thought it needed saving.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


All this needs to stop and policy debates happen.

I'm thinking a morality debate, not a policy debate.

As I've said before, I have a daughter to explain and justify this all to. How do I justify Stormy Daniels, Hunter Biden and Kamala Harris/ Willie Brown? How do I justify a "grab em by the pussy" or "W" flying an obsolete jet fighter for the National Guard in order to avoid Vietnam? How can I explain and condone anything Clinton or the GOP attacks on Obama's citizenship and religion?

What if my girl grows up to look something like a white version of Mrs Obama, should I advise her to accept people calling Obama "Mooshelle" and worse?

It's funny, I grew up as a carpenter, a construction worker and I don't think there's a class of folks inclined to be more crass and vulgar than them and I say that with affection. I am repulsed by the in the gutter political discourse my fellow Americans accept and promote today.

America won't win if it continues to consider "winning" a victory at any cost, no matter how low or dirty.

Only because you asked I’ll give a response.

I would tell her the truth.

W used his family position to obtain a safe place during the Vietnam War. It was not illegal but thousands were sent to fight, and he did not have to.

GOP sought to divide the voting people and inflame their base against President Obama for the cheap, rank partisan reasons.

President Trump is a bad person who believed his wealth and status permits himself to sexually assault women.

President Clinton and his wife became a marriage of convenience. It was their marriage to live. So be it. However, the Clintons were always about 3 steps from the legal line in business deals. That gave GOP and DOJ a window to look. That uncovered Clinton selecting young a woman for a consensual sexual relationship. However, his pose and position versus her age and position calls into question what it means to be in a relationship that is one of sex. This was a political problem for Clinton had it been discovered. Clinton lied about after wearing to tell the truth. He may have asked the women to lie about it. Clinton lied to the American people about it. Clinton was a lawyer and our president he knew the requirement to tell the truth. He knew of obligations of his profession and office to tell the truth. He lied. The House was controlled by GOP they impeached over this lie. The Senate was controlled by Dems, and not enough Dems in the Senate joined the GOP (I think none did). to remove Clinton from Office. It seems a lot of folks believe Clinton was justified, at the time, for lying because they felt it was a private matter that should never had been pursued. They either do not understand the high obligation Clinton had to tell the truth or do not care in this context.

As for Biden and Harris I see no great moral calamity. Biden was duly elected. He was old, got older and his family should have been a stronger force in him exiting the stage sooner. Harris, the same thing. She was duly elected to her positions. Highlight why you think she was chosen if you object to that. Highlight that Biden choosing to leave the race so light and throwing support behinds her like w LBJ set the convention delegates to select her as a nominee who was seen as plastic and disingenuous by the people which helped Trump win again.

Then she will have to make up her idk mind about it all.

The political path forward is to address policy: What, Why, Effect, and let the vote be cast and the debate on that issue end save the courts.

That is my response.

I agree w your last sentence wholeheartedly. I add that included in war.

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The political path forward is to address policy: What, Why, Effect, and let the vote be cast and the debate on that issue end save the courts.

If you're waiting for Trump and his cult followers to suddenly support reasonable policies that others can accept, don't hold your breath.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
"Peaceful Transfer of Power"

That was certified two days ago.

The revelations of Truth based in facts and evidence to the public is thoroughly consistent with peaceful transfer of power.

It's especially important when the power shift was facilitated through lies and deceit, and the "process" of transfer is more important to abide than the corrupt shift.

So, where is the "problem"?

Hummm. I think the answer is obvious.

No problems.

Because the MAGA ARSEHOLE beat the stupid BIMBO you lot put forward!

Might as well have put a dead kangaroo!

Couldn't possible could have done worse!