This garbage is all over education. A few years back the city of San Francisco funded a study on middle school math classes.

Of course they were excited to report that leveled grouping hurt students’ achievement, while grouping them all together actually increased achievement.

As a teacher I can accept that it may be possible that remedial students might actually do better if left in a regular classroom due to the fact that remedial programs often fail due to a variety of factors.

But the idea that the most advanced students also showed increased achievement when grouped together with all levels, and showed lower achievement when places in advance grouping???

I guess that proves that if you pay for the study, you get the results that you desire.

I have taught in both environments and I find the results to be the opposite of what I have seen.

AP Classes provide college credit. As we debate the student loan crisis, the best factor to keep cost on a student down is to get through college as efficiently as possible.

AP classes and dual credit programs taught by college educators (often TAs) that can kill off some gen eds aid in this efficiency.

My Wife and I both enrolled w a semester’s worth of credits. She finished in 3 years (a year and grade behind me). I finished in 4. My brother playing sports in kind of a dead in, took 8 years to get a teaching certificate. His coach told him he had 4 years of eligibility and a life time to graduate.

It seems obvious to me that public education should be more diverse, not less. Certainly advanced math should be offered in middle school and remedial arithmetic offered thru the students adulthood.

I know a teacher that recently accepted a new job in a maximum security prison teaching for the GED diploma to inmates. "Gosh! We don't wanna shovel more tax dollars at education!" Is cute, but we certainly shovel plenty of tax dollars at corrections.

Why is it not obvious that we can and should catch our fellow Americans and lift them up possibly before crime and corrections rather than during and after?

Let's not dumb the system down, let's build it to include and catch more.

I agree w King.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It seems obvious to me that public education should be more diverse, not less. Certainly advanced math should be offered in middle school and remedial arithmetic offered thru the students adulthood.

I know a teacher that recently accepted a new job in a maximum security prison teaching for the GED diploma to inmates. "Gosh! We don't wanna shovel more tax dollars at education!" Is cute, but we certainly shovel plenty of tax dollars at corrections.

Why is it not obvious that we can and should catch our fellow Americans and lift them up possibly before crime and corrections rather than during and after?

Let's not dumb the system down, let's build it to include and catch more.

Too late; the dumbing down has been going on for many years. Superior education has been sacrificed for social engineering….

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Too late; the dumbing down has been going on for many years. Superior education has been sacrificed for social engineering….

When San Francisco did this they at least had the decency to produce a bogus study that claimed that this was actually best for all students. But now they don’t even try to hide it:

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'Over time you end up with lower-level math courses filled with black and Latino children, and high-level math classes with white and Asian children,' Manuel Fernandez, then the principal at Cambridge Street Upper School, told the outlet.

'Students internalize it—they believe the smart kids are the white kids. Our staff said we cannot continue to divide our students this way.'

Yeah, don’t try to lift the black and Latino students up, just don’t allow anyone to move ahead…

I can’t believe that this crap is allowed to go on.

In the UK in some schools they have eliminated competing in sport.

Because they don’t like winners!

May be that is why they keep picking a commie mayor in London .

And crooked ruler in Scotland!

WE ARE FREE!

To choose IDIOTS!

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It seems obvious to me that public education should be more diverse, not less. Certainly advanced math should be offered in middle school and remedial arithmetic offered thru the students adulthood.

I know a teacher that recently accepted a new job in a maximum security prison teaching for the GED diploma to inmates. "Gosh! We don't wanna shovel more tax dollars at education!" Is cute, but we certainly shovel plenty of tax dollars at corrections.

Why is it not obvious that we can and should catch our fellow Americans and lift them up possibly before crime and corrections rather than during and after?

Let's not dumb the system down, let's build it to include and catch more.

Too late; the dumbing down has been going on for many years. Superior education has been sacrificed for social engineering….

Sort of. Elon Musk utilizes American craftsmanship and engineering, med students come from around the globe to be educated and work here.

Even if that weren't true, there's no time like the present to improve. I agree lowering standards is in appropriate, but it's self defeating to turn a blind eye or turn up our nose to the failing segments of society, no matter what we or society or the taxpayers pay for them.

If we don't pay to educate Americans to the point of self sufficiency, we'll pay for their healthcare,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid
$600 billion,

We'll pay for their housing,

2023 Budget in Brief - HUD https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfil...dgetInBriefFINAL.pdf
$72 billion,

Their meals,
https://www.cato.org/blog/snap...n%20in%20the%20chart.
$127 billion,

And their incarceration,
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/r...43.9%20billion%20%2B
$81 billion.

Damn that's funny! $880 billion, with the usual incompetence and corruption let's call it an even $900 billion annually!

I love it. I can see why my fellow Americans would rather spend $900 billion annually to keep those fuckers broke and in chains rather than make an effort to advance peace and prosperity.