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Milley's career has included assignments with the 82nd Airborne Division, 5th Special Forces Group,[19] 7th Infantry Division, 2nd Infantry Division, Joint Readiness Training Center, 25th Infantry Division, Operations Staff of the Joint Staff, and a posting as Military Assistant to the Secretary of Defense.[20]

Milley has held multiple command and staff positions in eight divisions and special forces throughout his military career. He commanded 1st Battalion, 506th Infantry, 2nd Infantry Division, in South Korea from 1996 to 1998.[20][21] He served as commander of 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light) from December 2003 to July 2005; deputy commanding general for operations of the 101st Airborne Division from July 2007 to April 2008, and as commanding general of the 10th Mountain Division from November 2011 to December 2012.[22][23][24] Milley commanded III Corps, based at Fort Hood, Texas, from December 2012 to August 2014,[25][26][27] and concurrently the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command from May 2013 to February 2014.[28][29] He served as the commanding general of the United States Army Forces Command at Fort Liberty, North Carolina, from August 2014 to August 2015...

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Milley's career has included assignments with the 82nd Airborne Division, 5th Special Forces Group,[19] 7th Infantry Division, 2nd Infantry Division, Joint Readiness Training Center, 25th Infantry Division, Operations Staff of the Joint Staff, and a posting as Military Assistant to the Secretary of Defense.[2

Milley has held multiple command and staff positions in eight divisions and special forces throughout his military career. He commanded 1st Battalion, 506th Infantry, 2nd Infantry Division, in South Korea from 1996 to 1998.[20][21] He served as commander of 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light) from December 2003 to July 2005; deputy commanding general for operations of the 101st Airborne Division from July 2007 to April 2008, and as commanding general of the 10th Mountain Division from November 2011 to December 2012.[22][23][24] Milley commanded III Corps, based at Fort Hood, Texas, from December 2012 to August 2014,[25][26][27] and concurrently the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command from May 2013 to February 2014.[28][29] He served as the commanding general of the United States Army Forces Command at Fort Liberty, North Carolina, from August 2014 to August 2015...

His awards and decorations include the Defense Distinguished Service Medal; Army Distinguished Service Medal with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Defense Superior Service Medal with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Legion of Merit with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Bronze Star Medal with three bronze oak leaf clusters; Meritorious Service Medal with silver oak leaf cluster; Army Commendation Medal with four bronze oak leaf clusters; Army Achievement Medal with one bronze oak leaf cluster; National Defense Service Medal with one bronze service star; Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with two bronze service stars; Afghanistan Campaign Medal with two bronze service stars; Iraq Campaign Medal with two bronze service stars; Global War on Terrorism Service Medal; Korea Defense Service Medal; Humanitarian Service Medal; Army Service Ribbon; Overseas Service Ribbon with numeral 5; NATO Medal with bronze service star; and the Multi-national Force and Observers Medal. He is authorized to wear the Combat Infantryman Badge with star; Expert Infantryman Badge; Master Parachutist Badge; Scuba Diver Badge; Ranger Tab; Special Forces Tab; Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge; Joint Meritorious Unit Award; and Meritorious Unit Commendation and the French Military Parachutist Badge.

But what does he know about service to his Country?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Milley's career has included assignments with the 82nd Airborne Division, 5th Special Forces Group,[19] 7th Infantry Division, 2nd Infantry Division, Joint Readiness Training Center, 25th Infantry Division, Operations Staff of the Joint Staff, and a posting as Military Assistant to the Secretary of Defense.[2

Milley has held multiple command and staff positions in eight divisions and special forces throughout his military career. He commanded 1st Battalion, 506th Infantry, 2nd Infantry Division, in South Korea from 1996 to 1998.[20][21] He served as commander of 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light) from December 2003 to July 2005; deputy commanding general for operations of the 101st Airborne Division from July 2007 to April 2008, and as commanding general of the 10th Mountain Division from November 2011 to December 2012.[22][23][24] Milley commanded III Corps, based at Fort Hood, Texas, from December 2012 to August 2014,[25][26][27] and concurrently the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command from May 2013 to February 2014.[28][29] He served as the commanding general of the United States Army Forces Command at Fort Liberty, North Carolina, from August 2014 to August 2015...

His awards and decorations include the Defense Distinguished Service Medal; Army Distinguished Service Medal with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Defense Superior Service Medal with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Legion of Merit with two bronze oak leaf clusters; Bronze Star Medal with three bronze oak leaf clusters; Meritorious Service Medal with silver oak leaf cluster; Army Commendation Medal with four bronze oak leaf clusters; Army Achievement Medal with one bronze oak leaf cluster; National Defense Service Medal with one bronze service star; Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with two bronze service stars; Afghanistan Campaign Medal with two bronze service stars; Iraq Campaign Medal with two bronze service stars; Global War on Terrorism Service Medal; Korea Defense Service Medal; Humanitarian Service Medal; Army Service Ribbon; Overseas Service Ribbon with numeral 5; NATO Medal with bronze service star; and the Multi-national Force and Observers Medal. He is authorized to wear the Combat Infantryman Badge with star; Expert Infantryman Badge; Master Parachutist Badge; Scuba Diver Badge; Ranger Tab; Special Forces Tab; Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge; Joint Meritorious Unit Award; and Meritorious Unit Commendation and the French Military Parachutist Badge.

But what does he know about service to his Country?

JEFFY,
That’s all in the past.He’s a defector, not loyal, probably bought off by Soros. He has become soft, a pussy , sucked in by the power afforded him by the extreme liberal Soros/Biden/Harris agenda. Not a loyal AMERICAN any more. Calling up Xi Jinping on his own. Gays, transgenders, freaks allowed in the military. Not the type of leader I would lay my life down for.

How about the other favorites on my list? Don’t forget them.
4WD

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

You're showing your ignorance here, Doc.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How so?

There are a lot of branch specific training items that are quite different between the branches. The service branches are pretty parochial. I don’t see a guy joining the army in 1980 as a tank officer transitioning to infantry and commanding multiple elite infantry units (506th, 10Th MD). the branch distinction does go away at advanced rank… after divisional level command.

Could he have transitioned to infantry down the road? Sure. But that is not usual. Transfer of branch is usually something that occurs by specialization - like a friend of mine who was an engineer who went to med school. He was then transferred to the medical corps. Or a guy who went to law school being transferred to the JAG corps, although he remained infantry “detailed to JAG” and wore infantry uniform.

My medical buddy’s promotions stopped at LTC, but he was guard and retired after 18 years. The guy who was a lawyer is still in, but I’ve lost track of him.

My grandfather was initially intelligence but then went to adjutant generals corps after being promoted to captain and retired a colonel- but that was WWII.

Suffice to say I do have some concept of what happens.

It could also be that the first bio was just plain incorrect.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

You're showing your ignorance here, Doc.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
JEFFY,
Excuse me but I have met Milley. He is a big fat over fed, out of shape, over nourished slob . He is no longer the man you intend to make him out to be. I sure don’t fear him and like I stated earlier neither does Putin , Xi Jingping, Iran or the rest of the world.

Jeffy, don’t forget the others on my list of your favorites liberal Democrats on the Soros Biden Harris team . You don’t seem to want to comment on those freaks. Need a reminder on who they are?
4 WD

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How so?

There are a lot of branch specific training items that are quite different between the branches. The service branches are pretty parochial. I don’t see a guy joining the army in 1980 as a tank officer transitioning to infantry and commanding multiple elite infantry units (506th, 10Th MD). the branch distinction does go away at advanced rank… after divisional level command.

Could he have transitioned to infantry down the road? Sure. But that is not usual. Transfer of branch is usually something that occurs by specialization - like a friend of mine who was an engineer who went to med school. He was then transferred to the medical corps. Or a guy who went to law school being transferred to the JAG corps, although he remained infantry “detailed to JAG” and wore infantry uniform.

My medical buddy’s promotions stopped at LTC, but he was guard and retired after 18 years. The guy who was a lawyer is still in, but I’ve lost track of him.

My grandfather was initially intelligence but then went to adjutant generals corps after being promoted to captain and retired a colonel- but that was WWII.

Suffice to say I do have some concept of what happens.

It could also be that the first bio was just plain incorrect.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

You're showing your ignorance here, Doc.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How so?

There are a lot of branch specific training items that are quite different between the branches. The service branches are pretty parochial. I don’t see a guy joining the army in 1980 as a tank officer transitioning to infantry and commanding multiple elite infantry units (506th, 10Th MD). the branch distinction does go away at advanced rank… after divisional level command.

Could he have transitioned to infantry down the road? Sure. But that is not usual. Transfer of branch is usually something that occurs by specialization - like a friend of mine who was an engineer who went to med school. He was then transferred to the medical corps. Or a guy who went to law school being transferred to the JAG corps, although he remained infantry “detailed to JAG” and wore infantry uniform.

My medical buddy’s promotions stopped at LTC, but he was guard and retired after 18 years. The guy who was a lawyer is still in, but I’ve lost track of him.

My grandfather was initially intelligence but then went to adjutant generals corps after being promoted to captain and retired a colonel- but that was WWII.

Suffice to say I do have some concept of what happens.

It could also be that the first bio was just plain incorrect.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

You're showing your ignorance here, Doc.

So, what are you saying? The DOD is lying about his command positions prior to being promoted to CJCS? He really didn't command 10th Mountain or an airborne division because he started out in armor?

Or, are you implying there is something nefarious going on here? trump didn't investigate Gen. Milley's background, resume and experience before he appointed him to the Joint Chiefs of Staff? CJCS Earle Wheeler commanded infantry divisions and the 2nd Armored Division a quick google search reveals. I don't feel like doing the search but frankly, it makes sense to me that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Army Chief of Staff would have command experience across the board. Armor, infantry, artillery, etc.

Explain.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
JEFFY,
Excuse me but I have met Milley. He is a big fat over fed, out of shape, over nourished slob . He is no longer the man you intend to make him out to be. I sure don’t fear him and like I stated earlier neither does Putin , Xi Jingping, Iran or the rest of the world.

Jeffy, don’t forget the others on my list of your favorites liberal Democrats on the Soros Biden Harris team . You don’t seem to want to comment on those freaks. Need a reminder on who they are?
4 WD

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
JEFFY,
Excuse me but I have met Milley. He is a big fat over fed, out of shape, over nourished slob . He is no longer the man you intend to make him out to be. I sure don’t fear him and like I stated earlier neither does Putin , Xi Jingping, Iran or the rest of the world.

Jeffy, don’t forget the others on my list of your favorites liberal Democrats on the Soros Biden Harris team . You don’t seem to want to comment on those freaks. Need a reminder on who they are?
4 WD

You're a troll. Not fit to lick the bottom of Milley's combat boots.

Never ceases to amaze me how the trumptards will twist themselves into pretzels defending Orange Jesus. They all eventually adopt his approach to all issues: lie about everything.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How so?

There are a lot of branch specific training items that are quite different between the branches. The service branches are pretty parochial. I don’t see a guy joining the army in 1980 as a tank officer transitioning to infantry and commanding multiple elite infantry units (506th, 10Th MD). the branch distinction does go away at advanced rank… after divisional level command.

Could he have transitioned to infantry down the road? Sure. But that is not usual. Transfer of branch is usually something that occurs by specialization - like a friend of mine who was an engineer who went to med school. He was then transferred to the medical corps. Or a guy who went to law school being transferred to the JAG corps, although he remained infantry “detailed to JAG” and wore infantry uniform.

My medical buddy’s promotions stopped at LTC, but he was guard and retired after 18 years. The guy who was a lawyer is still in, but I’ve lost track of him.

My grandfather was initially intelligence but then went to adjutant generals corps after being promoted to captain and retired a colonel- but that was WWII.

Suffice to say I do have some concept of what happens.

It could also be that the first bio was just plain incorrect.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Little odd for an armor officer to be exclusively an infantry commander, no Jeff?

You're showing your ignorance here, Doc.

So, what are you saying? The DOD is lying about his command positions prior to being promoted to CJCS? He really didn't command 10th Mountain or an airborne division because he started out in armor?

Or, are you implying there is something nefarious going on here? trump didn't investigate Gen. Milley's background, resume and experience before he appointed him to the Joint Chiefs of Staff? CJCS Earle Wheeler commanded infantry divisions and the 2nd Armored Division a quick google search reveals. I don't feel like doing the search but frankly, it makes sense to me that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Army Chief of Staff would have command experience across the board. Armor, infantry, artillery, etc.

Explain.

It is simply amazing how much folks who know everything second-hand don't know.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Milley has become soft. He is succumbed to to the liberal left, Soros money and the LGBTQ movement, and other extreme liberal ideas. No longer any respect for the man and how he has let the liberal politics into our military. Pretty much a disgrace.
4WD

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Milley has become soft. He is succumbed to to the liberal left, Soros money and the LGBTQ movement, and other extreme liberal ideas. No longer any respect for the man and how he has let the liberal politics into our military. Pretty much a disgrace.
4WD

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Milley has become soft. He is succumbed to to the liberal left, Soros money and the LGBTQ movement, and other extreme liberal ideas. No longer any respect for the man and how he has let the liberal politics into our military. Pretty much a disgrace.
4WD

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Really? Only One trick?What’s the one trick?
I come up with at least 15 major differences than what your Soros backed liberal agenda supports.
Your party has become so far from main stream America , I really feel you all should relocate to California . You can see how that (California) has worked out for your ultra liberal Democratic Party .
4WD

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I'm certainly no expert but my understanding is that most infantry divisions have armored battalions attached to them that fall under the command of whoever is running the division.

I'm sure Jeff knows more than I do.

And, Milley wears a Ranger tab. He is airborne qualified.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by crbutler:
Ok so where am I wrong?

He commanded the 506th per your information. Does that not require being jump certified infantry officer?

Where is his list of armored commands?

If nothing else there should be a mention of platoon command in one of the armored units.

Either that or your initial source was wrong and he was commissioned as a second lieutenant of infantry.

ETA-

This is all kind of besides the point. The guy commanded troops in combat. He’s certainly more knowledgeable about military matters than I am, and I don’t disagree there.

That he graduated from Princeton and his subsequent career making it to the top of the military despite not graduating from a service academy speaks highly of his ability and intelligence.

Note that your link to his military bio says nothing about him being an armor officer.

There is nothing to say that a good military officer cannot be a political democrat, although I do doubt you could be a good effective military officer and also be an extreme progressive.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
That's kind of the point.

Milley is much more likely to always have been an infantry officer. His bio is that of an excellent infantry officer. That he has the CIB (after Jefffive schooled me on that) shows that he is not an armor guy. Yes at higher levels of command he would have Armored units under his command- it appears that is now at the Divisional level instead of the older Corps level.

I guess technically we don't have heavy infantry divisions anymore. The 1st ID and the 3rd ID are now called combined arms divisions. The 82nd is a light infantry airborne division, and the 10th Mountain Division is also a light infantry division. Neither of those have a heavy armor component.

Since I was in ROTC (which by the sound of it was after Jefffive got out of the army) they have had a major reorganization and now the permanent units are Regiments (Regimental combat teams) that are varied as to what they are.

The regimental combat teams are commanded by colonels of the appropriate branch. General officers are not technically of a branch, but you sure don't put a medical corps general in charge of a infantry division...

at least not since the Civil War era.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I'm certainly no expert but my understanding is that most infantry divisions have armored battalions attached to them that fall under the command of whoever is running the division.

I'm sure Jeff knows more than I do.

And, Milley wears a Ranger tab. He is airborne qualified.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by crbutler:
Ok so where am I wrong?

He commanded the 506th per your information. Does that not require being jump certified infantry officer?

Where is his list of armored commands?

If nothing else there should be a mention of platoon command in one of the armored units.

Either that or your initial source was wrong and he was commissioned as a second lieutenant of infantry.

ETA-

This is all kind of besides the point. The guy commanded troops in combat. He’s certainly more knowledgeable about military matters than I am, and I don’t disagree there.

That he graduated from Princeton and his subsequent career making it to the top of the military despite not graduating from a service academy speaks highly of his ability and intelligence.

Note that your link to his military bio says nothing about him being an armor officer.

There is nothing to say that a good military officer cannot be a political democrat, although I do doubt you could be a good effective military officer and also be an extreme progressive.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The point is to try and point out that lots of “facts” out there are not so, and it’s obvious to those with a bit of background.

I don’t know where Jefffive found that initial blurb, but from what I know the initial statement seemed incongruous with the rest of it.


It was kind of pointing out that you can find false information all over the place on the internet, and it’s not “just a Trumptard thing.”

The idea is to get folks to read information they think supports their point critically.

I’m also pointing out that you two labeled me as wrong until I pointed out all the inconsistencies.

It doesn’t make the point that Milley is an excellent soldier wrong, but it does point out that you tend to reply based on who says something more than what was said.

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He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group as the commander of ODA 543, a 12-man combat diver-qualified Special Forces team

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He is a big fat over fed, out of shape, over nourished slob . He is no longer the man you intend to make him out to be. I sure don’t fear him and like I stated earlier neither does Putin , Xi Jingping, Iran or the rest of the world.

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Originally posted by nute:

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He is a big fat over fed, out of shape, over nourished slob . He is no longer the man you intend to make him out to be. I sure don’t fear him and like I stated earlier neither does Putin , Xi Jingping, Iran or the rest of the world.

A description which could equally apply to another public figure. I don't see any of your vitriol directed at him though.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Really? Only One trick?What’s the one trick?
I come up with at least 15 major differences than what your Soros backed liberal agenda supports.
Your party has become so far from main stream America , I really feel you all should relocate to California . You can see how that (California) has worked out for your ultra liberal Democratic Party .
4WD

Yeah, you already told me about California.