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I'm sure everyone has seen the camera footage. Very strange. I do not think his weapon was jammed. So was the firearm used shooting subsonic ammo? Would having a suppressor merit that or were there other reasons? It looks like the firearm wasn't cycling properly (low pressures?) but if this is the case, the shooter was prepared for this and well practiced. Sad execution anyway. The victim was a family man. ~Ann   | ||
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There has to be a motive, probably his job position. Somebody got screwed by the company ? When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years. James R. Doolitle I think they've been misunderstood. Timothy Tredwell | |||
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I'd look to recent coverage declinations for experimental treatments where the patient died and investigate family members. | |||
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Back in the old days, the military used S&W 39's. They had a suppressor and a slide lock to keep it as quiet as possible. Hard on the gun though. Most likely not enough pressure to cycle in this case, whether on purpose or not, who knows. | |||
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That was what I was wondering. I have no experience with such modifications. Never saw anything like this in my working days. I have done some more reading and there are a plethora of possibilities as to why the hit was done. One very plausible one was something about testimony to come (on an unknown to me) court case(s). So either he was deliberately silenced for such a situation or there was some disgruntled person with a health care issue, which seems unlikely, as that is more of a crime of passion and these types are not professionals, they just come out guns blazing. We shall see. ~Ann | |||
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The original point of them was to not even have the noise from a slide racking, Ann. So an odd thing for someone to use in public, then rack the slide anyway. That is why I'm a skeptic that it was a slide lock, done on purpose. It used to be called by some units, a Hush Puppy. As they used them for barking dogs, along with sentry removal. | |||
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https://youtu.be/CXgI6Hztk88?si=uaUpytI0Z5JWyeyB People seem to have no sympathy for United health care CEO. https://youtu.be/77megSSOtGY?si=gQy0YOWH-_wFJ4gk Assassin left scary message on bullet casings: UnitedHealthcare CEO killed https://youtu.be/gAUkKi4Coss?si=8oi1QXDLBOXHZ4So Law enforcement analyst breaks down what video reveals about shooter -- one hour ago ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Looks like using subsonic ammo in a pistol with a strong mainspring the ammo can't cycle, probably a fairly new gun. A pro would have gotten two steps closer and had a weaker spring so his follow-up shots were quicker. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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45 acp ammo mostly is sub-sonic, 850 - 900 fps. 9mm is faster, 1100 - 1200 fps. Sub-sonic 9mm is listed at 975 fps for one sample, but the weight is 147 grains. https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...021880612?pid=905864 I haven't seen reporting on the ammo used. I haven't tested it, but I suspect a 9mm pistol would cycle std and sub-sonic ammo okay, but the added weight of the suppressor would have some effect. Those factors and a jam or failure to cycle does indicate the shooter was not a pro, and had not tested the pistol/suppressor/ammo combo. Here's a picture of a loaded cartridge on the pavement: https://youtu.be/gAUkKi4Coss?si=RtlC_PhjMvQ11eK1&t=89 I can't tell if it's 45 or 9mm, but it looks like FMJ. If so, that's another clue. A professional probably wouldn't use FMJ. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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My Glock 21 with a suppressor cycles subsonic ammo seamlessly. Yes as has been pointed out, 45's are subsonic. Regardless, the 45 is loud. It isn't hurt your ears loud, but sounds like a gun going off. I have a couple of semi auto 22's that are suppressed and they are Hollywood quiet. You can hear the action cycle and the bullet hit the target, that's it. With the 22lr suppressed there is no sonic crack and no bang. The centerfires suppressed sound like a quiet gun going off. | |||
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Reading between the lines in the report I saw- He wrote on the casings. Possible motive or red herring to distance the investigation. The comments on the suppressor made it sound like it was a homemade one and thus possibly caused reliability issues. The fact that NYPD is releasing so many details says that they have had a number of roadblocks and are looking for any public help they can get. I would not be surprised if this is a “revenge” killing and the perpetrator is pretty smart and is already out of the country and in a place with poor/no extradition. One example for my conservative friends would be Israel. They refuse to extradite any Jewish person. It’s not a lock this is an ANTIFA/leftist agenda person. | |||
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Video shown tonight shows him shooting, then manually cycling the slide with each shot. It was obvious he knew what was happening and not clearing a jam. The perp stayed at a hostel and cameras caught a full view of his face. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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That would make millions of possible suspects. | |||
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There was a live round on the pavement at the scene. Apparently, the perp cycled a live round out and didn't pick it up. The report is that he shot the guy in the back and in the leg. So, there's two clues that he got excited - the leg shot and the live round left at the scene. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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 Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...ebb4f0b6d4f357&ei=77 UnitedHealth execs reportedly sold millions in stocks before DOJ investigation went public ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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He'll be easy to find, just locate those who have been screwed by United Health and check their family members. Shouldn't be more than 6 or 7 hundred thousand suspects. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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I had a Medicare supplement policy through UHC for a time. Never did me any harm, but I have to say that I don't give a shit that somebody offed him. People die everyday for a lot of different reasons. He pissed somebody off, that's a given. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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May be it was a wake up call for bad policies?? I have seen instances where health insurers behaved like God. Untouchably, ignorant and have a could not care less attitude. They set the prices for medical treatments, forcing hospitals and medical professionals to accept lower prices. While at the same time never stop increasing their rates. I am not saying I condone the killing of this man, but they do push people to extremes. | |||
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Healthcare is a sensitive topic, you are catching people at their worst, their lowest, their most sensitive. Mom has cancer, daughter was in a car accident, brother is deathly sick and we don't know why. All the while Corporate Medicine is liable to its shareholders. Dividends count. Make a profit, quarterly reports are due. I have a kid, I understand. Save my kid, make her whole, make her happy. I don't pay for good efforts, tried hard or gave it the best shot. Not fixing my kid but turning a profit should have consequences. | |||
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Another insurer in the northeast announced they were going to limit paying for anesthesia during surgery to a set time, this CEO gets whacked, they change their minds. If your shareholders need to only pay for anesthesia for 40 minutes to get their dividends but doing the surgery right takes an hour your shareholders can eat shit. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Add greed to the above. Insurance companies and banks. They will screw you at every turn! | |||
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I'm seeing reports that he was walking to a shareholder meeting when he was shot. They had the meeting without him; I guess he was declared Out of Network. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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One day, it’ll be a Hollywood movies made about this | |||
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Reaction on the Net is mostly support the shooter! They are saying payback for refusing payments where thousands died! | |||
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Government run health care is no different then health insurance coverage Government officials can deny treatments just as fast as insurance company Where there is a will, there is a way but it doesn’t include vigilantes Ultimately, health care and treatments can be complicated maze and nightmare for everyone involved including health professionals and insurance companies | |||
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I have a slightly different view on this. Insurance companies squeeze providers for the lowest price, at the same time they charge clients as much as they can get away with. Now the insured are just as guilty. I have seen Lego to the doctor for minor things I would never consider. So doctors charge the insurance companies for these minor visits, which can be added up, and the normal patient is penalized! | |||
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It’s three ring circus no matter where you are and no money is unlimited IMO limits should be put on regular doctor visits and on non life threatening whatever and it is a lot more complicated then that Word on the street is “ Don’t get sick “ | |||
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These kinds of decisions probably caused the issue. Pretty sick when you think about it. Our pets get better treatment. ~Ann | |||
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Too many fingers in the pie that have absolutely nothing to do with providing health care. Health care was made into a commodity to be traded when MBAs took over our economy under Reagan. Somehow we became the most prosperous Country the world had ever seen before "shareholder value" became a religious mantra, and folks who owned stocks made money, one income would feed, house and clothe a family, companies cared about quality of product and their reputations and working for one company for an entire career, with advancement as warranted, was what capitalism was. Then MBAs decided that shareholder value was the only metric that mattered and CEOs and executives who delivered it should get 500 times as much as their workers and everything has to be a commodity from the delivery room to the grave. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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I agree. That's exactly when 'health care' in America went to shit. My physician stepfather retired early because of this. Doctors are not allowed to doctor much anymore, investors manage them. ~Ann | |||
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If trump was the shooter he claimed/s that people would still support/vote for him. Would you? How about others here? Disclaimer: Not accusing djt of anything, just using it as an example of something he claimed in the past. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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There is speculation the weapon was a B & T Station Six. I've never seen one but have stood next to someone shooting a Welrod. And that was quiet. https://bt-usa.com/product-category/station-six/ | |||
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And back here, Medica (a big competing medical insurance company) shut down its corporate headquarters due to the threat and the shooting. Kind of strikes me as BS, but the folks making denials are running scared now. Expect to see rate increases soon… and no drop in pay for the insurance executives. | |||
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What? I have no idea of what you are asking me. This is a completely bizarre comment. Why is it so many here want to produce scenarios and prompt comments from me? I do not do this to any of you. Why be so weird? ~Ann | |||
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I think it was something like this: https://bt-usa.com/products/station-six-45/ Actually, a good weapon for a professional. Well, a professional that needs only one shot… | |||
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The CEO does not make claim decisions, so anyone that justifies this because the company screwed someone is misguided. They wouldn't have had the right to kill the guy who denied coverage either, but that might be at least a closer call. Not much. | |||
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CEOs do make policy, & that policy can certainly be delay/deny wherever they can. | |||
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Wymple, Are you justifying killing a CEO? Sounds like it. And that's just so wrong. | |||
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Reports on the Net suggesting he deserved it. As his company has refused treatment to thousands many of whom died! How about the other company refusing to pay for anesthesia if the operation exceeds a certain time? One has to look at both sides of the story. You and me might not think this justifies killing, but what about those who have lost loved ones due to insurance companies? | |||
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