Then maybe the market demand isnt there for the product as offered

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Seems like people are concerned about charging station infrastructure and range. I know I would be if I was in the market for an EV.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Seems like people are concerned about charging station infrastructure and range. I know I would be if I was in the market for an EV.

I thought we just spent like 7 billion for a national infrastructure of chargers.
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Seems like people are concerned about charging station infrastructure and range. I know I would be if I was in the market for an EV.

I thought we just spent like 7 billion for a national infrastructure of chargers.
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I dunno. Admittedly, I ain't ever looking for a charging station but I don't see too many around here.

Elon is certainly struggling a bit at the moment. The Chinese EV brands are making big inroads on the market here but the model Y is I believe still the highest selling EV.

I used to drive a VW Toureg and loved it. Think I had maybe 3 or 4 of them over the years. I used to put £100+/week diesel into it even though it did 45/gall. I do a fair few miles each month.

It now costs me £30/month for as much home charging as I want, 400+ hp 4wd saloon car ... just makes sense for me, but obviously it won't be for everyone.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Seems like people are concerned about charging station infrastructure and range. I know I would be if I was in the market for an EV.

Walmart and Target have charging stations here, and there are others. A row of them at the municipal airport, along with a driverless taxi (in testing, with a safety driver).

Electric is so far practical, here. Commuting distances are not extreme for the most part.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Seems like people are concerned about charging station infrastructure and range. I know I would be if I was in the market for an EV.

I thought we just spent like 7 billion for a national infrastructure of chargers.
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What a fucking fiasco that turned out to be.

My daughter's family has 3 Teslas. They get the finger when they are out on the road, among other things.

It's the only thing Dr. Easter and I agree on....I'll drive my Land Cruiser until the wheels fall off. No EV for me.

My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

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Originally posted by wymple:
My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

The gas in our van is a year or more old and it starts and runs just fine. Added some about a month ago.

We have been lied to non stop about EVs.

Saw a report about range of different vehicles.

They tested the same vehicles, from the same manufacturers, supposedly replacing each other.

Petrol and diesel apparently gave you a range of between 35-50 kilometers range once the RESERVE warning came on.

EVs, on the other hand, gave from 8-30 Km when the RESERVE came on.

Also, their range estimates were way off.

Some fell short by up to 35%.

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They get the finger when they are out on the road, among other things.

That’s just weird - why would anyone care what someone else drives?
They’d have to be part of the anti-vax, homophobe, anti-abortion, racist segment. Some folks just can’t seem to be satisfied minding their own damn business.
(That’s the same crowd that brays ‘freedom and liberty’ the loudest.)

Dig back in the archives when I told everyone they weren’t viable.

Maybe Joshua will remember disagreeing.

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Originally posted by wymple:
My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

I am puzzled as to why the Volt didn't sell better.
It makes sense, although I wonder about complexity.
I only know a couple of people who drive them, they are happy campers.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by wymple:
My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

The gas in our van is a year or more old and it starts and runs just fine. Added some about a month ago.

I used to have a gas barrel out back. I left it untouched for 6 or 7 months because I thought the price of gas was going to skyrocket at the time. It separated some & could only be used in my wife's flex-fuel car. I had to drain the tank on my truck. My BIL uses it now for diesel for his tractors.

Hybrids make most sense until someone figures better batteries that hold more power and much cheaper and environmentaly friendlier and not dependent on Chinks

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by wymple:
My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

I am puzzled as to why the Volt didn't sell better.
It makes sense, although I wonder about complexity.
I only know a couple of people who drive them, they are happy campers.

Jay Leno had one for many years, & says they had it right. He has a video on it on Jay's Garage.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by wymple:
My nephew has a Bolt. No gas, no oil changes, 230 miles of actual range. He commutes with it, 60 miles per day. He loves it, costs a dollar a day to keep it charged up & that's done at home. We have plenty of charging station here in Podunk SE Iowa, HyVee stores, etc. They are not used much because most everyone charges at home. My daughter in Des Moines still drives her Volt. She drives it down here every couple of months just to keep the gas from getting old. Almost never has the gas engine kick in. Both have been trouble free. I am an old guy, I prefer my 3800 swapped Fiero GT, but I understand reality.

I am puzzled as to why the Volt didn't sell better.
It makes sense, although I wonder about complexity.
I only know a couple of people who drive them, they are happy campers.

Fires

Yep

The recall concerned nearly 142,000 vehicles that are mostly all owned by U.S. drivers.

The recall came after the firm learned that when the Chevy Volt’s batteries are charged to 100%, they are at risk of catching fire. Initially, GM told car owners to charge their batteries up to 90% until a fix was produced. While the issue appeared to be with the LG Chem battery cells, the firm wasn’t sure it had to replace all batteries to have the problem addressed. As GM expanded the recall, however, the firm decided to replace all defective batteries. That was so kind of them.

Due to the high number of vehicles impacted by the recall, GM is working with LG Chem to ramp up the production of replacement batteries. Until there are enough replacements available, the firm is urging drivers to avoid allowing the vehicles’ estimated range dip below 70 miles and to keep batteries charged up to 90 percent. It is also recommending that Chevy Volt owners park their vehicles outside.


This recall was on bolts produced from 2017-2022.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Dig back in the archives when I told everyone they weren’t viable.

Maybe Joshua will remember disagreeing.

IMO the EV has a lot more potential for improvement in the future than the gasoline powered vehicle. The gasoline vehicles are about as good as they are ever going to get. I don't see that a Ford Expedition will EVER get the same mpg as say a Ford Focus is currently getting.

The rest of the western world and china seem to be able to make them work. Thought I read that EV & hybrids exceed 50% of new car sales in china.

Hybrids might work, but as you are essentially buying 2 vehicles for 1, they are more money.

EV’s make sense for relatively modest range driving. If I was able to buy a car for commuting and a separate vehicle for everything else (financially it doesn’t make sense to me, but it could) I could see the potential of buying an EV.

If you are in Europe, or on the east coast with no real long range drives that you make regularly, they certainly can be an option… but convenience wise, with regularly driving multiple hundred miles a 5 minute fuel refill vs a hope a charger is available or exists, and then it will take 30-60 minutes is a significant issue… and then the change in endurance in cold weather makes it a lot less attractive to use EV’s. Then add in that power companies do automatic reduction in power use or have not infrequent outages that makes an issue. I can’t imagine trying to evacuate from a weather event if everyone is in EV’s. I’ve also not seen good things with hauling either a heavy trailer or an RV with an EV, and my cousin does have a cyber truck from Tesla. Its range goes way down even with a dinky trailer.

So, I’m adverse to an EV mandate, and feel it should be a person’s choice. Then add in government should find a way to make EV drivers pay road taxes, and not put the thumb of regulation on the scale to push it either way. There are conveniences to both.