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xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | ||
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All in all seems less unhealthy than smoking , drinking or even eating processed food. Just legalize it but don't allow advertising like we do for smoking. Mike | |||
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Mike,I don't know where you found a cigarette ad in the last 40 years,but I could be wrong. I do agree that it less harmful than tobacco or liquor. I don't use it but I also feel that an advocation to the positive principles in our society should be addressed. #1,NOTHING will change as long as we have a wetnurse form of government.Our "Drug Laws" don't work.Years ago I was in Belize (then British Honduras). The policy was,use anything you want,we will bury you at sea.You will not be A burden on society. HMMMMM,+ this from a backwater country? Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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http://www.scientificamerican....-still-target-youth/ I just think we need to decriminalize a lot of non violent consensual activity - marijuana drug use, prostitution ect Lets not flood our criminal justice system with small stuff. All these activities go on - our last three presidents have been drug users at one time in their life. Lets move on and focus on serious national social and economic issues. I also think children killed by accidental firearms is a far bigger issue than marijuana use. Let alone the social costs of tobacco or 30K Americans killed each year by firearms. But then I am not running for office and need to appease any voting group. Mike | |||
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Where did you get that 30K number? The FBI studies show fewer than that a year for the past several years, and it includes bangers shooting each other, and perps shot by LEO. | |||
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A good place to start would be with the Hollywood movie industry that glorifies violence, druggies and various other immoral activities. | |||
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Another strict constructionist that wants to step all over someone else's Constitutional Rights (First Amendment, freedom of speech) because he doesn't like the usage of parts of it. Using the same logic the Second Amendment would be gone long ago. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: Where did you get that 30K number? The FBI studies show fewer than that a year for the past several years, and it includes bangers shooting each other, and perps shot by LEO.[/QUOT I just listed aggregate stat is 30K includes suicides ect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...m-related_death_rate 2011: 32,163 2010: 31,672 2009: 31,347 2008: 31,593 2007: 31,224 2006: 30,896 2005: 30,694 2004: 29,569 2003: 30,136 2002: 30,242 2001: 29,573 2000: 28,663 1999: 28,874 Growth is mainly in suicides. Gun and crime in aggregate has been coming down. The number still is scary large. Big country, lots of guns, a culture that is more accepting of violence - we sure stackem and whackem with our guns. I own plenty of guns myself. The one thing that gets me is accidental death and injury to children. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09...?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Mike | |||
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Well, I definitely OD'd on it in college one night, haven't touched it since. My wife's sister, who was once a well educated & financially successful beautiful blonde, looked like Marilyn Monroe, spent the last 25 or so years of her life smoking it daily, finally jumped off a parking garage in Seattle after many attempts at intervention. Isolated incidents, I know. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Not that isolated. I've had the opportunity to talk to hundreds of druggies and thus far haven't found one whose life was made better by drugs and know a number who died well before their time because of them.
Not really and not more so than restricting advertising of cigarettes, the sale of firearms to minors, etc. In my opinion, the Hollywood liberals are more responsible for the senseless violence in this country than are gun owners and yet no one seem to comprehend that. | |||
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Beyond me why we're doing our damnedest to get people to give up tobacco and yet we're bound and determined to legalize marijuana. Smoke in your lungs is a foreign substance, no matter what it is. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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My experience too. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Obviously marijuana use has some negatives to it. the question is are the negatives associated with criminalization better or worse than the possible increase in consumption. | |||
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Anybody in here consume alcohol? If so, has your life been made better by it? If so, explain how. If not, then I suspect hypocrisy strikes again. There is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION that, barring the current legal status, the personal health and societal costs of alcohol usage FAR EXCEED the costs of marijuana usage. Addiction is addiction, just because one uses one or the other does not make an addict. Just as a start, on the societal costs, over 10,000 driving deaths yearly directly related to alcohol THAT ALL DIED "before their time", if you define such as a natural cause of death. IMO, the costs of the "war on drugs", a totally lost effort, far exceed the costs of legalization, control, education, etc. We, as a society, and mostly us, the taxpayers, spend billions of dollars a year incarcerating people for victimless crimes and many billions more trying to enforce the anti-drug laws. There has to be a better way. I am, by no means, suggesting that drug legalization would be without costs, but I am stating that the current situation is worse. Again, addicts will be addicts, regardless of the addictive choice, that is a fact unless they choose to change. Some do, most don't. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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The Libertarian in me says it shouldn't be illegal, and wonders if there was ever a real problem with the stuff prior to making it illegal. On the other hand, I dimly remember the 1960s and making humor about "doper logic". A transition period between illegal and legal isn't going to be pretty, with people on both sides of the question telling different lies. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Only because of the way it's being run...... Get the liberals out of the criminal justice system and the war on drugs could have been won easily! . | |||
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JTEX You want to make the war on drugs a war on our own citizens. No doubt if we locked up everybody but a few trustees we could decrease drug use. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Gato I couldn't have said it better myself. | |||
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Nope I surely don't! I wouldn't be putting kids in jail with a felony record for having a couple of dubes. But the dealers? I would happily give them the death sentence or life at hard labor. The mules packing the stuff in? They'd get the same. But the liberals won't allow for stiff sentences, the lawyers fight against 'em for lack of repeat business. I really don't see where that would be any kind of war against our citizens........nothing like what's been happening for the last decade or two.... . | |||
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You make a good point. I had my last beer in, I believe, 1970. I'm pretty sure it's out of my system by now.
I agree. Some countries do this you know. | |||
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Death sentence for marihuana! You must be out of your mind. Here in western PA the stuff is being grown everywhere to no apparent harm. And these aren't professional dealers or criminals, just smokers that grow a little extra for their friends. Nationally probably close to 10% of the population has sold it at least once. | |||
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Really? I don't think so. Soo since 10% of the population has done it that makes it ok? 10% of the population has broken traffic laws so let's do away with those too! The law is the law! While it is illegal to possess marijuana the laws must be enforced. We are a nation of laws or we are nothing. Drugs ruin lives, I have seen it. Yes I would be all for a death sentence for dealers of any illegal drugs! If we are gonna have a war on something let's have a war, not lip service. But i would not be ruining these young kids lives with a felony nor would I be clogging up the court system or our prisons for minor possession of marijuana. What do you suggest for cocaine, crack, meth or heroin? . | |||
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+1 People want a nanny state for all things they oppose - drugs ect. But they want no government control over things they support - guns. Mike | |||
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I think there are enough drug users on the road today without legalizing a hallucinogenic. I liked the doper the other day that lost his job, in Colorado I believe, because he was a pothead on the job. His excuse was something about him thinking marijuana was legal. He thought he was just exercising his legal rights. There has to be some controls whether marijuana is legal or not. Nobody should have to work around others on dope, that might get you killed. I don't need to be hit by a doped-up driver on the highway, or operated on by a dope-smoking surgeon, etc. | |||
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This is a real post from today's Craigslist: http://inlandempire.craigslist.../sec/4864891996.html They want "experienced armed MMJ security officers". No MMJ patients need apply. On one hand it's job discrimination on health grounds. On the other hand... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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With alcohol it's easy to tell if a person is intoxicated and easy to test for it. There is no test that will permit a police officer to readily test for marijuana usage and even if there was, since marijuana metabolites stick around for quite awhile there isn't a way to tell if the presence of the metabolites indicates recent use. It should be obvious that recent use of marijuana would cause impairment but some of it's effects are longer lasting and more subtle. In some if fosters a sloppy or half assed approach to performing various tasks. I also believe the alleged medical benefits of marijuana are VERY exagerated and in the majority of users is just an excuse to justify getting loaded. The Feds ought to visity the various dispensaries and arrest the gun toteing guards. | |||
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Why do you think the federal government has not advertised the fact that marijuana impairs driving? They've been trying to justify outlawing it for years and the testing they have done has not shown measurable impairment. You need to talk to cancer patients about medicinal use. | |||
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Lifepoint LLC was working on that before they went broke. I think someone bought the intellectual property and resumed working on it, but don't have any good information on their progress. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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If you believe marijuana use doesn't impair driving OK... I can't help you. I actually don't have a problem with terminal cancer patients getting loaded. They get loaded all the time on other stuff anyway. It's not that effective though and I suspect the vast majority of so called medical marijuana users aren't terminal cancer patients but rather those who wish to get high. As for legalized recreational use; that obviously isn't done for cancer patients. | |||
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It's not me that believes it it is the Department of Transportation. Sounds a little fishy to me but that is what they came up with. | |||
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the amount of mis information in this thread is staggering. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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What, is someone typing while they're smoking dope? . | |||
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Marijuana is a mind altering substance, period. It is probably 'healthier ' than tobacco but that is not why I believe it is illegal in many parts of the world. MIND ALTERING is the reason. | |||
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O.K. now,just a thought,a suggestion,no convictions;just suppose that those who imbibe develop the symptoms of the "fiend"s addiction,thus enslaving a young girl to it;s foul ends.Before the night is gone she will release her virtue as well as her soul...all do to the demon weed!B.S. Right? I don't use it but I have a problem with hypocrasie Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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