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Call the local newspaper, or veterans groups and get someone hot on their ass!! | |||
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I recieved an E-mail this morning from the City Administrators office stating that the palm tree had been removed by city workers! I admire their staff for taking what action they were able to take! I would have much rather have seen the Postal Service relocate the pole to a proper place that doesn't place the flag beneath power or service lines.... But at least this is an improvement and I hand it to the people within the city offices that made the effort! | |||
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Spent nearly 6 years trying to get the post office to do something. Last week I was able to get the local newspaper to do a story on it, even though a couple years ago they ignored my request! Veterans groups told me basically there wasn't anything they could do and to contact the Post Master General, as if I hadn't already done that quite a few times! Hell I raised hell with city hall more than once! Last week I took it online also! And then this morning I get the E-mail saying that the palm has been taken down... Phil | |||
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 As you can see in the photos the flag pole is the same height as the power pole and the flag flys underneath the powerlines, a NO NO! In the photo showing the stump, you can see the median between the two parking lots where the flag pole should have been placed! Neer where the white sedan is parked. You've got to hand it to the city for making an effort... but the post office should have moved the pole to that center median and avoided cutting down a perfectly healthy palm! Today was rainy with a clearing sky and a stiff breeze, and as you can see in some of the photos, with the flag fully raised there could still be problems!    Phil | |||
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That's great something got done! Don't count on the Post Office to use any type of common sense for anything, they don't know what common sense is. Good luck! | |||
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I noticed the flag at half-mast, is that Post Office hiring? Shovel ready..... but hangin' on | |||
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Yep, it's pretty pathetic when a street light is taller than the flag pole... Phil | |||
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Several years ago I was riding with my buddy (Navy Vet) when we passed a McDonalds's after dark + they were still flying the flag.Dave went ballistic,got on the phone booth (no cels in those days) called the FBI!Flying a flag at night!!! I did calm him down enough to leave the premises before getting arrested even though we were right.Seems that McDonalds Corp. has a contract w/ the gov. to fly the flag at their stores after dark providing they have alight on. That's new.Now I sere see them everywhere with no regard from the honor of our nation. ` | |||
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Flying a lighted flag 24/7 isn't new. I don't know how long that has been around but one company (a bank I think) in Memphis did it when I lived there(long time ago). It was questioned and the fact that it was lighted was the difference. One additional thing, the flag pole was hollow and they pumped air into it with nozzles at flag level so the flag was always waving. Looked neat. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Where have we decreased as a society + when? I am totally disgusted with the current lack of thought that becomes all that more apparent with the liberal fringe.God help us because the special interest cock suckers in D.C.will sell us down the river in a new york minute. | |||
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Many people, including yourself, don't understand that flag pole height is determined by the size of the flag to be flown. This is done to keep things in perspective. Doesn't make much sense to have a flag pole a hundred feet high if it makes the flag appear so small as to be inconsequential. You may not like the fact that the light pole is higher than the flag pole, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Look around, there are lots of things higher than flag poles all over the country. | |||
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Other than a recomandation the flag size has nothing to do with flag pole height... Also an official size flag (different than those sold in stores) is regulated by Executive Order 10834 taking effect on 4 July, 1960 after the admission of the state of Hawaii... it is not a 3x5, 4x6, or 5x10 and so on... The ONLY recomendation towards proper height of Pole is that the fly of the flag should be no less than 25% of the height of the pole, or more than 30%... As long as the flag doesn't contact the ground, come in contact with the suroundings or fly in a way that could cause the flag to become escessively dirty, damaged, or in a way that shows the flag in a disgracefull way. There is nothing wrong with flying a large flag from a shorter than average pole as long as it dosn't damage or show disrespect to the flag. Flying the flag underneath another structure or object, is NOT the proper way to show the flag, and that is not the same is saying it (the pole) has to be the tallest structure in the area. Also, there is nothing that say's just because a flag pole is avialable that you have to fly the flag! If you cant display the flag in a respectful way, DON'T FLY IT! Phil | |||
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Guy, you need to chill out. What I pointed out was that you said "it's pretty pathetic when a street light is taller than the flag pole..." Look around, there are lots of things taller than a flag pole in the areas flags are commonly flown. As you noted, flag pole size is in relation to the size of the flag. So, if something like a light pole, building, bridge etc... are in the same general area as a flag pole, then they will often be taller than the pole. Besides, flag poles for public buildings are drawn from the government supply system. They only have 2 or 3 sizes in the stock system and that is what they get. We just replaced the flag pole in front of my building (government building by the way) and we had 2 to choose from. It's not like the post office is going to allow thousands of dollars to be spent of a custom size flag pole to make someone like you happy. By the way, I'm very familiar with U.S. Regulations on dislpy of the flag. I was a Chief Signalman in the U.S. Navy and served well over 20 years. Even on U.S. warships, the flag isn't the highest thing on the ship. The top of the mast and the radar platform are usually higher than the flying truck where the flag is flown. While I agree the flag should not have been flying in the tree or blocked by the tree, bitching about a light pole being a little higher than the flag pole is a bit ridiculous. | |||
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20 years in the Navy apparently didn't teach you much! Phil | |||
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Actually 20 years in the military taught me a lot. One thing it taught me is that there is always an ignorant and foolish person handy. You've proven that to be factual right here. Only a Fool resorts to childish insults for no reason in an unsuccessful attempt to prove a point. By the way, you're welcome for the time I spent protecting your rights. I also learned a long time ago that it isn't a good idea to try and show a Fool common sense. They just can't grasp the concept and refuse to understand just how foolish they look. They will always take advantage of the chance to show their level of folly to the world. It's almost like they relish being able to proudly proclaim it at every opportunity. Here's a question: If someone buys one of those litte flag poles for their front porch, should they knock down their chimney just because it is higher than the pole? Or, how about this question: Should the phone company have to shorten all their poles to a height below that of the flag pole? Here's a 3rd: Should the County Courthouse remove the weather vane or the lightning rod from the top of the Courthouse roof because it is higher than the flag pole? In your mind the answer to all of those would seem to be YES. In the mind of the rest of us, the answer would be NO. Thus the proof that you are not only a FOOL but ignorant as well. I'll bet you're the guy in the neighborhood that always tries to tell everyone else what to do and keeps things stirred up. In other words, YOU'RE "THAT" GUY. You can't help it, somebody has to be the Fool and you sure seem capable of filling the job adequately. Below is what is generally accepted as the proper ettiquette for displaying the flag. Often it is called "The Flag Code". Read them and you will note that it does not say anywhere that the flag will be the highest object around.
http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette.shtml | |||
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I must confess that I learned all about flag discipline early in life through my father as a fighter pilot + the boy scouts how it used to be. | |||
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+1 A perfect example of why Californians are likened to a bowl of granola. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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