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Who’s on Welfare? 9 Shocking Stats About Public Assistance

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March 12, 2016

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Welfare programs are controversial. Some people believe the government is responsible for providing a strong social safety to the most vulnerable. Others see welfare as a system that’s rife with abuse and which discourages people from making responsible decisions. Whatever your take on welfare, there’s no denying that these programs to help the poor cost a lot of money. A 2015 study by the University of California at Berkeley found that states and the federal government spent $152.8 billion a year on food stamps, health insurance, and cash assistance programs, more than half of it going to working families who were having trouble making ends meet.

The Berkeley report found that workers in many occupations were dependent on public assistance to supplement their income, including child care, home care, and fast food workers, as well as part-time college faculty.

We know that many people receiving welfare have jobs. But what other trends are there among people who get public assistance? To get a better idea of who was actually receiving public assistance in the United States, the U.S. Census Bureau recently took a closer look at participation in six major welfare programs from 2009 to 2012:

Medicaid
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), better known as food stamps
Housing assistance
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), or cash benefits
General Assistance

The report doesn’t discuss other kinds of support that people might receive, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, free school lunches, the WIC program, Head Start, energy assistance programs, and Pell Grants. While it doesn’t capture the full spectrum of welfare in the U.S., the results still provide a clearer picture of who is receiving public assistance.

Much of what’s included in the report isn’t exactly surprising – while many recipients have jobs, those who are unemployed and who don’t have much education tend to be more likely to rely on benefits for a longer period of time, for example. Nonetheless, some of the data may surprise you. Here are nine facts about who receives welfare benefits in the U.S.


1. More than 20% of the U.S. population receives public assistance

In 2012, roughly one-fifth of the U.S. population, or 52.2 million people, received some kind of means-tested public assistance every month. About 15% of the population was receiving Medicaid and 13% were on food stamps. Just 1% were getting cash benefits through TANF or General Assistance.

In addition, most people probably aren’t receiving most of their income from government programs. A separate report from the Department of Health and Human Services found that in 2011, just 5.2% of the total U.S. population was receiving more than half of their total income in cash benefits, food stamps, or SSI.

2. Participation in welfare programs grew from 2009 to 2012

In 2009, 18.6% of the population was participating in at least one means-tested benefit program. That number was up to 21.3% in 2012. But the increase in welfare participation seems to be leveling off; there was no statistically significant rise in participation from 2011 to 2012.

3. The average monthly benefit was about $400

People received an average of $404 a month in food stamps, SSI benefits, TANF, or general assistance. Those who qualified for SSI (which primarily supports people who are disabled and can’t work) received the most on average — $698 per month. As of 2015, about 8.3 million Americans were receiving SSI.

4. Children benefit the most from public assistance programs

About 39% of children received welfare benefits during an average month in 2012. Roughly 17% of adults between 18 and 64 received benefits and 12.6% of people over age 65 did as well. Those under 18 also received larger average monthly benefits than adults between 18 and 64 ($447/month vs. $393/month).

5. Many people receive benefits for a year or longer

Forty-three percent of people had been receiving benefits for 37 to 48 months. Roughly 30% had been on welfare for a year or less.

Some programs had more long-term participants than others. Nearly half of people receiving housing benefits had been getting them for three years or longer. In contrast, cash assistance was a short-term form of help for most, with just 10% of people receiving benefits for three years or more.

6. Families led by single parents were more likely to receive benefits

Fifty-eight percent of families led by an unmarried mother and 37% headed by an unmarried father received benefits for at least one month during 2012. About 20% of families headed by a married couple received benefits for at least one during the same period.

7. Single mothers tend to receive less in benefits per month

Households headed by an unmarried woman received an average of $337 in monthly benefits, compared to $447 for households headed by single men and $420 a month for married couples.

However, families led by single moms tended to receive benefits for a longer period of time. Fifty-eight percent received benefits for three years or more, compared to 35.2% of single dad households and 34.8% of married couple households.

8. People who attend college are less likely to receive benefits

A little over 13% of people who had attended college for at least one year received welfare benefits at any point in 2012. In contrast, 45% of people who didn’t graduate from high school received benefits during the year. People who didn’t complete high school were also more likely to be long-term benefit recipients.

9. African Americans were more likely to receive public assistance than other groups

In 2012, an average of 41.6% of African Americans received means-tested benefits each month. About 18% of Asians or Pacific Islanders and 13% of whites received benefits each month. Thirty-six percent of Hispanics of any race received government assistance.


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Who’s on Welfare? 9 Shocking Stats About Public Assistance

Megan Elliott
March 12, 2016

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Welfare programs are controversial. Some people believe the government is responsible for providing a strong social safety to the most vulnerable. Others see welfare as a system that’s rife with abuse and which discourages people from making responsible decisions. Whatever your take on welfare, there’s no denying that these programs to help the poor cost a lot of money. A 2015 study by the University of California at Berkeley found that states and the federal government spent $152.8 billion a year on food stamps, health insurance, and cash assistance programs, more than half of it going to working families who were having trouble making ends meet.

The Berkeley report found that workers in many occupations were dependent on public assistance to supplement their income, including child care, home care, and fast food workers, as well as part-time college faculty.

We know that many people receiving welfare have jobs. But what other trends are there among people who get public assistance? To get a better idea of who was actually receiving public assistance in the United States, the U.S. Census Bureau recently took a closer look at participation in six major welfare programs from 2009 to 2012:

Medicaid
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), better known as food stamps
Housing assistance
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), or cash benefits
General Assistance

The report doesn’t discuss other kinds of support that people might receive, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, free school lunches, the WIC program, Head Start, energy assistance programs, and Pell Grants. While it doesn’t capture the full spectrum of welfare in the U.S., the results still provide a clearer picture of who is receiving public assistance.

Much of what’s included in the report isn’t exactly surprising – while many recipients have jobs, those who are unemployed and who don’t have much education tend to be more likely to rely on benefits for a longer period of time, for example. Nonetheless, some of the data may surprise you. Here are nine facts about who receives welfare benefits in the U.S.


1. More than 20% of the U.S. population receives public assistance

In 2012, roughly one-fifth of the U.S. population, or 52.2 million people, received some kind of means-tested public assistance every month. About 15% of the population was receiving Medicaid and 13% were on food stamps. Just 1% were getting cash benefits through TANF or General Assistance.

In addition, most people probably aren’t receiving most of their income from government programs. A separate report from the Department of Health and Human Services found that in 2011, just 5.2% of the total U.S. population was receiving more than half of their total income in cash benefits, food stamps, or SSI.

2. Participation in welfare programs grew from 2009 to 2012

In 2009, 18.6% of the population was participating in at least one means-tested benefit program. That number was up to 21.3% in 2012. But the increase in welfare participation seems to be leveling off; there was no statistically significant rise in participation from 2011 to 2012.

3. The average monthly benefit was about $400

People received an average of $404 a month in food stamps, SSI benefits, TANF, or general assistance. Those who qualified for SSI (which primarily supports people who are disabled and can’t work) received the most on average — $698 per month. As of 2015, about 8.3 million Americans were receiving SSI.

4. Children benefit the most from public assistance programs

About 39% of children received welfare benefits during an average month in 2012. Roughly 17% of adults between 18 and 64 received benefits and 12.6% of people over age 65 did as well. Those under 18 also received larger average monthly benefits than adults between 18 and 64 ($447/month vs. $393/month).

5. Many people receive benefits for a year or longer

Forty-three percent of people had been receiving benefits for 37 to 48 months. Roughly 30% had been on welfare for a year or less.

Some programs had more long-term participants than others. Nearly half of people receiving housing benefits had been getting them for three years or longer. In contrast, cash assistance was a short-term form of help for most, with just 10% of people receiving benefits for three years or more.

6. Families led by single parents were more likely to receive benefits

Fifty-eight percent of families led by an unmarried mother and 37% headed by an unmarried father received benefits for at least one month during 2012. About 20% of families headed by a married couple received benefits for at least one during the same period.

7. Single mothers tend to receive less in benefits per month

Households headed by an unmarried woman received an average of $337 in monthly benefits, compared to $447 for households headed by single men and $420 a month for married couples.

However, families led by single moms tended to receive benefits for a longer period of time. Fifty-eight percent received benefits for three years or more, compared to 35.2% of single dad households and 34.8% of married couple households.

8. People who attend college are less likely to receive benefits

A little over 13% of people who had attended college for at least one year received welfare benefits at any point in 2012. In contrast, 45% of people who didn’t graduate from high school received benefits during the year. People who didn’t complete high school were also more likely to be long-term benefit recipients.

9. African Americans were more likely to receive public assistance than other groups

In 2012, an average of 41.6% of African Americans received means-tested benefits each month. About 18% of Asians or Pacific Islanders and 13% of whites received benefits each month. Thirty-six percent of Hispanics of any race received government assistance.


If you really break down increase in food stamp use - its because fast food and low paying retail (wal mart) designed corporate human resource policies to get their employees on food stamps. Showing workers they qualify and how to apply thru corporate human resource policies.

Also consumer staples companies have been very good at lobbying on inclusion of their brands in food stamp programs. By this generic cheaper brands are not the only approved for food stamps - name brands are included too. After 2008 one can buy diet coke with food stamps. Corporate welfare rules - you will not see Warren Buffet complaining about food stamps.

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I will add another even more disturbing statistic that is tied into the secondary impact of a welfare state or more correctly an inefficient risk sharing social structure.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/la...ck-one/#be14b036c5bc

median white household wealth $111,146
median black household wealth $7,113
median hispanic household wealth $8,348

The median wealth discrepancy between white household and black household balance sheet is greater than it was in apartheid South Africa !!!

But no politician will address serious issues and public policy to do anything on real domestic issues. All ex-presidents have their focus on international stuff - carter, bush, clinton - obama will do the same. Worry about stuff in other people's back yards and not even try to address serious domestic issues.

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I am not sure that SSI is any sort of welfare program.
What is your source for that definition?

I started having to pay in when I was 14 and riding a tractor for 90-cents an hour. The only times I missed were the 25 months and change I served in Vietnam.

And, not one thin dime was voluntary; they just extorted it with the threat of forcing my employers to terminate my employ.

just curious how a forty-four-plus loan to SSI that I am getting back interest free became welfare...

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that 111,xxx number is a seriously skewed average.

It takes in the fact that there are multi-billionaires in the mix.

For instance, and correct me if I am wrong, if Bill Gates makes five billion dollars a year and 99 people make 50 thousand a year, their income totals 4,950,000. Add Bill's 5 Billion in and that total is 9,950,000. Divide that by the 100 people, and the median income is $99,500.

Totally out of touch with reality, because 99 out of 100 people surveyed are making just over half the median.

There's an old saying, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics...". The other one that comes to mind, generally refers to the government. "Figures don't lie, but liars figure...".
 
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I am not sure that SSI is any sort of welfare program.
What is your source for that definition?

I started having to pay in when I was 14 and riding a tractor for 90-cents an hour. The only times I missed were the 25 months and change I served in Vietnam.

And, not one thin dime was voluntary; they just extorted it with the threat of forcing my employers to terminate my employ.

just curious how a forty-four-plus loan to SSI that I am getting back interest free became welfare...

Rich


SSI is 100% welfare and if you're receiving it, you never paid a cent for it. It is NOT related to FICA payments, which you are referring to and fund Social Security and Medicare, theoretically at least. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is paid for from general funds of US Gov, administrated by Social Security Ad. but having nothing to do with Social Security payments (funded by FICA payments). Around here, some of the locals call the SSI stipends "crazy" checks, because they go out of their way to convince Social Security they are "crazy", unable to work, and therefore eligible for SSI. An extremely abused government program.


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median white household wealth $111,146
median black household wealth $7,113
median hispanic household wealth $8,348
In addition toe what ISS said, using median income is extremely misleading. You should be looking at average income of those making under $250,000, or under $1,000,000, etc. to rule out the highest earner exceptions.

Median is not equal to mean or average. A median number means there are just as many samples above the median as below it. In fact, the average black income could be, and actually is, higher than $7,113 but the median wont tell us that. If you had 100 black people making $1,000,000 and 100 black people making $7,112 or less then the median income is $7,113 while the average income is close to $500,000! Those income values are just examples I made up but they do point out how meaningless median income is for this sort of comparison.




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median white household wealth $111,146
median black household wealth $7,113
median hispanic household wealth $8,348
In addition toe what ISS said, using median income is extremely misleading. You should be looking at average income of those making under $250,000, or under $1,000,000, etc. to rule out the highest earner exceptions.

Median is not equal to mean or average. A median number means there are just as many samples above the median as below it. In fact, the average black income could be, and actually is, higher than $7,113 but the median wont tell us that. If you had 100 black people making $1,000,000 and 100 black people making $7,112 or less then the median income is $7,113 while the average income is close to $500,000! Those income values are just examples I made up but they do point out how meaningless median income is for this sort of comparison.


Why median is normally used income and household wealth economic analysis http://www.cato-unbound.org/20...ean-vs-median-income

Law of large numbers is also present - we are dealing with populations I the us.

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Well it paints a better picture if you use median the way he does in that article, i.e. separate it out into six different percentile groups. That gives you six nice little clumps to compare. If you don't do that then averaging is a much more meaningful tool as long as you remove the top extreme as I explained. Better still would be to average the six percentile clumps that Reynolds used.

So, why did they use median? They did it because they know that the large number of super rich Whites compared to the smaller number of super rich Blacks and Hispanics will pull the median income value way up for the whites. And that is the picture they want to paint. Using the median in this way they can present a distorted statistic to advance their agenda.

Reynolds gets called out for his methods: http://www.cato-unbound.org/20...be-measured-assessed

I say again, these numbers are meaningless:
median white household wealth $111,146
median black household wealth $7,113
median hispanic household wealth $8,348




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Well it paints a better picture if you use median the way he does in that article, i.e. separate it out into six different percentile groups. That gives you six nice little clumps to compare. If you don't do that then averaging is a much more meaningful tool as long as you remove the top extreme as I explained. Better still would be to average the six percentile clumps that Reynolds used.

So, why did they use median? They did it because they know that the large number of super rich Whites compared to the smaller number of super rich Blacks and Hispanics will pull the median income value way up for the whites. And that is the picture they want to paint. Using the median in this way they can present a distorted statistic to advance their agenda.

Reynolds gets called out for his methods: http://www.cato-unbound.org/20...be-measured-assessed

I say again, these numbers are meaningless:
median white household wealth $111,146
median black household wealth $7,113
median hispanic household wealth $8,348


Data on wealth distribution by percentiles from St Louis Fed.

Only 23% of black families are in the 50% Percent of families in upper half of nation’s wealth distribution.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/m...icity-and-Wealth.pdf

http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...-up-but-wealth-isnt/


Whatever data one looks at black households balance sheets are terrible in absolute and relative terms. I would argue that is partially the failure of the welfare state.

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If you want to show poverty by race this is a good visualization.


Wealth is not equally distributed. Okay. So, what's your point and what should we do to change it? Or should we actively work to change it? Obviously, welfare and preferential opportunities haven't worked. Redistribution is just as ridiculous an idea as a welfare state. What do you propose?




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If you want to show poverty by race this is a good visualization.


Wealth is not equally distributed. Okay. So, what's your point and what should we do to change it? Or should we actively work to change it? Obviously, welfare and preferential opportunities haven't worked. Redistribution is just as ridiculous an idea as a welfare state. What do you propose?


Its seem pretty clear that a poorly designed welfare state induces household's to under save. The optimal public policy should be to design risk sharing mechanism (welfare, social security, healthcare) that are optimal.

The US risk transfer systems are suboptimal - most of the current political and economic issues are tied to it.

I will bet nothing happens - biggest address of welfare/risk sharing will be in time social security age will be kept moving up. Also I will bet uneducated unskilled workers will continue to get displaced.

I only expect the welfare state to get more entrenched.

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Its seem pretty clear that a poorly designed welfare state induces household's to under save


If someone is on welfare, how in the hell do you expect them to save or increase the value of their "balance sheets"? No one who is legitimately on welfare is really getting enough to save anything, they are mostly just barely getting by. If they do save a few bucks it is only waiting for the next problem that constantly confronts them, car breakdowns, illness, etc. The only way someone in that group, regardless of color, is going to "save" any significant amount of money would be to vastly increase their monthly stipends, or, of course, to educate them somehow so they would remove themselves from the welfare recipient roles. Who would pay for that? I'm not going back and research it because I am not that invested in this discussion, but from memory, the largest group of welfare is white single mothers, that is by actual numbers, not percentages.

The sad and unspoken fact is that one of the reasons the chart above shows the blacks "leading" in poverty is that, as a group, for whatever reasons anyone would want to ascribe to it, they don't climb out of poverty like the other ethnics do. As a group, trillions of dollars have been transferred to blacks over the last 50 years and they are essentially in the same position they were 50 years ago.

OTOH, as a group, the Asians, mostly came to the US much poorer than the blacks, and, largely due to a family drive to make their children's lives better than their parents, they have succeeded as a group.

The Latinos tend to do the same think, however, the charts don't tell the whole story, because the total number of Latinos in poverty keeps rising as fast or faster than the ones who have been here a while, especially legitimately, climb out of poverty.


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If someone is on welfare, how in the hell do you expect them to save or increase the value of their "balance sheets"? No one who is legitimately on welfare is really getting enough to save anything, they are mostly just barely getting by. If they do save a few bucks it is only waiting for the next problem that constantly confronts them, car breakdowns, illness, etc. The only way someone in that group, regardless of color, is going to "save" any significant amount of money would be to vastly increase their monthly stipends, or, of course, to educate them somehow so they would remove themselves from the welfare recipient roles. Who would pay for that? I'm not going back and research it because I am not that invested in this discussion, but from memory, the largest group of welfare is white single mothers, that is by actual numbers, not percentages.

The sad and unspoken fact is that one of the reasons the chart above shows the blacks "leading" in poverty is that, as a group, for whatever reasons anyone would want to ascribe to it, they don't climb out of poverty like the other ethnics do. As a group, trillions of dollars have been transferred to blacks over the last 50 years and they are essentially in the same position they were 50 years ago.

OTOH, as a group, the Asians, mostly came to the US much poorer than the blacks, and, largely due to a family drive to make their children's lives better than their parents, they have succeeded as a group.

The Latinos tend to do the same think, however, the charts don't tell the whole story, because the total number of Latinos in poverty keeps rising as fast or faster than the ones who have been here a while, especially legitimately, climb out of poverty.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...-up-but-wealth-isnt/


If someone is on welfare, how in the hell do you expect them to save or increase the value of their "balance sheets"?

Household balance sheets are assets - liabilities. Welfare payments are just payments not capitalized forever assets. If we are forever stuck in a system where certain group welfare recipients (a numerical majority who are poor whites) can never get out something is very wrong with the system. The biggest asset is human capital and education - maybe in generation thru public education people or other government policy. https://www.washingtonpost.com...fect-welfare-system/

I just dont have much faith in cash transfer systems .

But this discussion is a little irrelevant cause if you look at your initial post - the majority of government transfers in $$ terms are not income/poverty level based but age/generational in nature.

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You seem highly critical of the current system, and rightfully so, I might add BUT you have not outlined ANY way to improve it. If you don't have a new order, then you are just like a watchdog, barking in the night, but telling us nothing about what to do about the unknown.


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You seem highly critical of the current system, and rightfully so, I might add BUT you have not outlined ANY way to improve it. If you don't have a new order, then you are just like a watchdog, barking in the night, but telling us nothing about what to do about the unknown.


I gave up on public policy long time back. I take rules as given - I don't try to put any effort to change them. I just want to make max personal gains/money around the rules.

Hell I would not be a NRA member if it was not required to shoot at my range.


I pay my taxes and bitch about it and where my money goes but only reason I pay taxes is it protects my property and ability to make money. Cost of doing business

My idea of a state is basic defense, private property and contract rights. Libertarian and too lazy to vote most times.

On the welfare state - most of these entitlements are a social contract already made by society and government. Nothing will happen to the core entitlements. They will play around with retirement age to turn social security into a joke. Medicare is sacred.

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Hell I would not be a NRA member if it was not required to shoot at my range.


That's too bad. I REALLY don't agree with some of the NRA practices, but without them, you likely won't be going to the practice range with all your choices of weapons.


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Hell I would not be a NRA member if it was not required to shoot at my range.


That's too bad. I REALLY don't agree with some of the NRA practices, but without them, you likely won't be going to the practice range with all your choices of weapons.


I just signed up for life membership. Driven with a little nudging from you but mainly cause the NRA finally started sharing membership rolls with affiliated clubs. So now I don't need to send the front cover of the NRA magazines to the club to annual show membership.

Now I expect even more fund raising calls from NRA every week Wink

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See, I knew that inside that black mass of a heart, there was a sliver of gold. Good for you. tu2 tu2


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This country is going to hell in a hand basket and there is nothing anyone is going to do about it. Best advice? Hold on tight...it's going to be one hell of a ride!
 
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I have the sneaky feeling that for the last 250 years a good portion of the U. S. population have been claiming the country "is going to Hell in a hand basket". I guess the best indication of that is how all us "baby boomers" are doing so much worse financially (standard of living) than our parents generation......................Oops!

I do think we are the lucky ones. For our kids, and their kids, things aren't quite so bright I suspect.

The road to Hell must be a long one.
 
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The road to Hell must be a long one.


Obviously, I was told many moons ago by the Baptist Deacons (who weren't so dry themselves in many cases) that taking that first drink of alcohol would send me straight to Hell. That first drink was well over 50 years ago in my early teens and I've kept that road to Hell well lubricated ever since, but I'm no doubt getting closer.


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I hope the gates of Hell are wide, because we're all going to converge on it at about the same time it appears.
 
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The last generation did not have the Clinton Machine!!!! Obama got the engine primed...Hillary is going to make a quick run to the "finish it off" line. We have slowly...but steadily marched to the end of what would be known as a great nation. Don't think it can happen...read the history of the Roman Empire. Hell, if you can't go back that far...read about the history of the British Empire. Now the Brits are just a bunch of Beggars on the last biscuit. There is no shortage of great nations that fell for many of the same reasons we see today...government welfare, greed and a hunger for power over the people. Just keep watching the amount of money borrowed to keep the country afloat continue to rise and see what happens when it get's to 24-25 trillion.....things are going to get ugly really fast and stay there for a really long time. It might not be a bad idea to get all your finances in CASH and ram it into your gun safe...and protect it with a few machine guns. I got the few SMG's already..just waiting for the right timing to cash out. Anyone that feels the great depression can't return, or that we have monetary policies in place to prevent another one is freaking dreaming....we will be finding that out relatively soon I believe. The 24-25 T mark is not that far away. Gato and Ken, I hope you find the taste of worms to your liking Smiler
 
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I've always been fond on that worm at the bottom of the mezcal bottle. Wink

One time a buddy and I were sailfishing off Matzatlan, and, after catching a few, on the way back to port, crew broke out a mezcal bottle saying, "Quien puede come el gusano?" "Who can eat the worm." After a few efforts, I was the fool, I mean, winner. The only problem is the ground kept rocking just like the boat when we reached shore. Damn, those were the days. Had nothing and had nothing to lose. Big Grin

Look out Hell, here I come, hopefully with a smile and a fading erection, thanks to very recent use.


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I am with Warren Buffett - pretty bullish on the USA.

Dynamic society, capitalism, welfare state that is age based instead of means based - less inefficient, growing population base, immigration, great defense infrastructure, good geography. No complains from me.

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Nice way to go Charlie.


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Huck Finn said that the widder douglas told him if he did'nt mend his ways he would'nt be up with the angels singing hymns,he would be down in the bad place with Tom Sawyer. He made up his mind right then that was where he wanted to go.


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I think we should give every citizen (nothing for non-citizens) 60 months of public assistance life time. That's a lot -- 5 years. Once you use it up, you're on your own. Use that time to find a job, get an education, re-tool or whatever, but when your 60 months are up, you're out!
 
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