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Finally the state of Florida does something

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/l...3jgdlayhi-story.html

So much for a good guy with a gun thumbdown

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Finally the state of Florida does something

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/l...3jgdlayhi-story.html

So much for a good guy with a gun thumbdown

Mike


I wouldn't measure all "good guy's with a gun" by one coward. That's painting with too wide a brush Mike and you know it.

I'm glad to see the guy punished. A coward dies a thousand deaths ... rightly so.
 
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Finally the state of Florida does something

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/l...3jgdlayhi-story.html

So much for a good guy with a gun thumbdown

Mike


I wouldn't measure all "good guy's with a gun" by one coward. That's painting with too wide a brush Mike and you know it.

I'm glad to see the guy punished. A coward dies a thousand deaths ... rightly so.


I hope so.

The swat team trains right next to my range and sometimes shoots at my range - rifle for distance.

I asked one of them the lessons of the Orlando nightclub massacre - he said to be much much more aggressive.

Mike
 
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Mike, I think you might be being a bit hard on this guy. Yes he was armed, but that does not make him the kind of person who heads toward "the sound of the guns". He was a school resource officer. Even if he had been a regular cop, that does not make every cop a hero. Many cops retire never having fired their gun in the line of duty. Firearms are a rather small part of what they do. Much training does not prepare you for the the "real thing". Many people become cops because it is one of the best paying jobs that only requires a high school education. Great training, pay, benefits and an early retirement. What's wrong with that? These guys are just like us. Some good, some not so good, and some great.
Additionally, some of the charges seem rather weak, being based on what he did not do. If he can establish departmental policy that recommends calling for backup, for instance, then thing are much different.
Just my $0.02.
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Mike, I think you might be being a bit hard on this guy. Yes he was armed, but that does not make him the kind of person who heads toward "the sound of the guns". He was a school resource officer. Even if he had been a regular cop, that does not make every cop a hero. Many cops retire never having fired their gun in the line of duty. Firearms are a rather small part of what they do. Much training does not prepare you for the the "real thing". Many people become cops because it is one of the best paying jobs that only requires a high school education. Great training, pay, benefits and an early retirement. What's wrong with that? These guys are just like us. Some good, some not so good, and some great.
Additionally, some of the charges seem rather weak, being based on what he did not do. If he can establish departmental policy that recommends calling for backup, for instance, then thing are much different.
Just my $0.02.
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Then who stops the butchering - running out of ammo. Fatigue on shooters part or boredom from killing.

He was there for a reason. They have active shooter drills for a reason.

He managed to make it on the today show and Washington post and lie and then go radio silent.

For all my bitching about the anti gun NYPD when I was a NYC rifle and shotgun permit holder. On 9/11 there were cops running for 14th street/union station to die in the twin towers.

https://www.wearethemighty.com...titem=1#rebelltitem1

This pos was a coward and did little to fulfill the basic requirements of his job,

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The lesson learned and taught by law enforcement way back after Columbine was . . .

Get in early and with aggression!

Some things must have to be relearned.



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Mike, I think you might be being a bit hard on this guy. Yes he was armed, but that does not make him the kind of person who heads toward "the sound of the guns". He was a school resource officer. Even if he had been a regular cop, that does not make every cop a hero. Many cops retire never having fired their gun in the line of duty. Firearms are a rather small part of what they do. Much training does not prepare you for the the "real thing". Many people become cops because it is one of the best paying jobs that only requires a high school education. Great training, pay, benefits and an early retirement. What's wrong with that? These guys are just like us. Some good, some not so good, and some great.
Additionally, some of the charges seem rather weak, being based on what he did not do. If he can establish departmental policy that recommends calling for backup, for instance, then thing are much different.
Just my $0.02.
Peter

Then the chicken shit SOB should have found another job.
He was hired to protect those kids , not to help him make a living.


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No doubt the guy was a coward, but we now live in a time where LEOs get convicted of murder for shooting scumbags.

Some cops got in trouble for tasing a kid armed with a knife. Could you imagine the news if the cop killed some kid who was shooting a gun that turned out to be blanks

The only reason the guy was charged with crimes is because the DA is milking the school shooting for all its worth.

My guess is a lot of School Resource Officers will be having second thoughts about their jobs if this guy is convicted of a crime.

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You get what you pay for. He was a School Security Officer not Captain America. I suspect a good lawyer will beat most, if not all, the charges.

At least one of three situations existed. They hired the wrong guy for the job. They failed to train him properly. They failed to supervise him properly. They need to shine a light on who hired him, who trained him, and who supervised him. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.
 
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This coward was getting paid far more than he should have.

It’s time to get serious about high capacity mags and assault rifles - drop them all in a nfa structure.

School resource officer will be holding pen for the laziest of cops.

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The man is a coward. He watched the kid enter the building and he exited and hid. Got what they paid for? He makes more money than a soldier and like a soldier, he volunteered for the job. He was finally called on to do his job and he ran. He is a coward. However, there are many more cowards that need to be brought to justice and called out for what they are. There were numerous students, parents and possibly teachers that KNEW what was going to happen as the shooter warned them. He even contacted some of them that very day to warn them. What about the adults and law enforcement that had taken his guns but gave them back to him knowing he was a time bomb? The school officials that ignored all the warnings? People need to be held accountable.


It is said that people are not themselves during stress/danger/hard times. Not true. You see exactly who and what they are.
 
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Sort of off topic, but underlying issue.

How many parents, professionals or other kids have a good idea there are issues and don't act on it.

HIPPA hides at least some I am betting



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Reminds me of that draft dodger, TRUMP! rotflmo


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It’s time to get serious about high capacity mags and assault rifles - drop them all in a nfa structure.

I respectfully disagree with you.
The hi cap magazines aren't the problem, it's political correctness that prevents us from dealing with those who have mental problem or evil intent.
There are so many hi cap magazines out there now that it would be impossible to collect them all.
Ditto on the AR style rifles.
Do you not think that a shotgun could not be just as deadly?


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I don't disagree that he is a coward BUT if he gets even a half decent lawyer he will beat most of those charges.

The courts have ruled in the past that the police don't a specific obligation to provide protection to citizens. If the police don't have an obligation, then he will probably be able to beat everything but the perjury.

Of course if they do convict every officer in the country will have a new outlook on there job.
 
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They hired the wrong guy for the job. They failed to train him properly. They failed to supervise him properly. They need to shine a light on who hired him, who trained him, and who supervised him. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.


The blame shouldn't "go around"! It should fall directly on the individual who FAILED to do his drop! Good grief...
 
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