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My dear fellow, where have you been?



I've been living in the USA. I note that denigrating the Bible doesn't seem to have the same extreme negative consequences in the US as it does in much of the Arab world as would happen if one denigrates the Koran. It's just a book, after all.


I can quite easily envisage circumstances where I would be shot for taking the piss out the bible in small town America, let alone in those places in the link I posted.


Ah, but "envisage" is not reality. Do you really believe that someone deserves to be killed because they thew away or burned a copy of the Koran?


Of course not but then I don't believe in shooting random members of the public because I am unhappy either; loons will find a culturally appropriate outlet for their lunacy, won't they?
 
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Of course not but then I don't believe in shooting random members of the public because I am unhappy either; loons will find a culturally appropriate outlet for their lunacy, won't they?


Well, that's good to know. So the Muslims who kill those who denigrate, in their view, the Koran are loons? Seems to be a lot of loons in your choice of religions.


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Of course not but then I don't believe in shooting random members of the public because I am unhappy either; loons will find a culturally appropriate outlet for their lunacy, won't they?


Well, that's good to know. So the Muslims who kill those who denigrate, in their view, the Koran are loons? Seems to be a lot of loons in your choice of religions.


My choice of religion, are you sure? Big Grin

Yes, anyone who kills someone else for such a flimsy reason as "denigrating the koran" is a striped lunatic.

Now, against the backdrop of American mass shootings, aren't lunatic Americans with guns a bigger danger to non lunatic Americans than Muslims out to kill people denigrating the Koran?
Are they somehow less crazy or less murderous? Big Grin
 
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Of course not but then I don't believe in shooting random members of the public because I am unhappy either; loons will find a culturally appropriate outlet for their lunacy, won't they?


Well, that's good to know. So the Muslims who kill those who denigrate, in their view, the Koran are loons? Seems to be a lot of loons in your choice of religions.


My choice of religion, are you sure? Big Grin

Yes, anyone who kills someone else for such a flimsy reason as "denigrating the koran" is a striped lunatic.

Now, against the backdrop of American mass shootings, aren't lunatic Americans with guns a bigger danger to non lunatic Americans than Muslims out to kill people denigrating the Koran?
Are they somehow less crazy or less murderous? Big Grin


No, I'm not sure of your religion, but anyone who jumps to defend it so vigorously when they see Muslimism as slighted is either a Muslim or somewhat bent. Since I don't perceive you as a nut, that leaves the former. Am I wrong and you are, in fact, a nut?

You seem to keep wanting to somehow intertwine the American mass shootings with the murders of innocents by Muslim bombings. That's like comparing a mosquito bite with a rattlesnakes. In 2016, there were 21262 people killed and 26722 injured by Islamic attacks. While regrettable, this is a completely different order of magnitude than the numbers killed in the US in true mass shooting in the US in 2016.


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I find it very sad that anyone would actually make fun of other religions, especially on a silly place as Facebook.

Another sad thing is that Muslims are blamed for the crimes of a small minority.

I have lived in several countries, for extended periods of time, seeing hardly any Muslims, never felt I was different nor was I made to feel different from those around me.

How come no one blames Christians for the Nazi crimes??

Don’t tell me that you think the Nazis were not Christians, because if you do, I will tell you the likes of ISIS are not Muslims.


I have some good friends that are Muslim, but they are moderate. They are also cosmopolitan enough to know that not everyone holds their religion in reverence. To them, jokes about the Koran are just that, attempts at humor.

People make cracks about Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, and Hindu religions all the time. Not that big a deal to most practitioners of those faiths.

Muslins, IMO, need to realize that their religion is important only to them, not the rest of the world.

If non-believers are wrong, then they will suffer in the afterlife, they don't need fanatics killing them and other innocent people.

That is not the actions of civilized people, regardless of faith.

True, back in medieval times, Christians killed people of other faiths because they believed it was being true to parts of the bible (i.e. Thou shall not suffer a witch to live). But no sane person, no matter how religious would go around killing witches today.

Bottom line, IMO Muslims need to learn to take a joke and/or ignore criticisms of their religion.

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No one seems to want answer the question of the Nazi Christians gassing the Jews??


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No one seems to want answer the question of the Nazi Christians gassing the Jews??


Well, having long stuck to the lessons of one of my favorite Damon Runyon quotes, to wit: "Some day, somewhere … a guy is going to come to you and show you a nice brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is never broken, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that the jack of spades will jump out of this deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son … do not bet him, for as sure as you do you are going to get an ear full of cider."; I am certainly not going to accept your challenge, but AFAIK, which ain't very far, the Nazis, in general, were opposed to organized religion. I'm sure that some of the Nazi soldiers doing the gassing probably called themselves Christians, but, what is the point? You can call a dollar bill a hundred dollar bill, but it won't be accepted as such.


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No one seems to want answer the question of the Nazi Christians gassing the Jews??


Actually it just wasn't the Jews, but gypsies as well.

No one makes the case that people who call themselves Christians don't do horrible things (such as ethnic cleansing).

But I think the main difference is Hitler and his minions did not kill the Jews/Gypsies in the name of their religion, but in spite of their religion.

Whereas the Koran actually encourages using the sword to convert or kill infidels.

For me personally, I spent some time in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait during the Gulf War. I found the "call to prayers" to be very calming and peaceful, it's just the other stuff I have trouble with (bestiality, pedophilia, and of course, killing people who don't believe in Islam).

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But I think the main difference is Hitler and his minions did not kill the Jews/Gypsies in the name of their religion, but in spite of their religion.



And you think ISIS is different?

over 90% of those they killed were Muslims!

See the similarity here?


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Although I see your point, I thought ISIS was killing other Muslims because they weren't "strict" enough in following Islamic tenants. They were still using their religion as the rationale to kill, torture, and rape.

Also Islamic terrorism goes way beyond ISIS. It has been a blight on the world for decades (if not centuries).

And yes, way back in the Dark Ages, Christians went out and declared war on non-Christians, but most Christian civilizations have evolved way beyond that today.

I think the best things decent Muslims could do is to publicly rally against any and all Muslim perpetrated terrorism acts.

Only thing will public perception of good Muslims vs. bad Muslim terrorists take hold.

Events such as the Palestinians celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center (as well as reports of Muslims in the USA celebrating as well), makes many non-Muslim people, think all Muslims can not be trusted. JMO

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Although I see your point, I thought ISIS was killing other Muslims because they weren't "strict" enough in following Islamic tenants. They were still using their religion as the rationale to kill, torture, and rape.



They must be talking about another religion.

Certainly not the one I and over a billion others follow.


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No,same religion only misguided interpretations.


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I love to read history books.

The ones about the Spanish in South America, where the Spanish use the religious excuse to murder all and sundry, and steal their gold, all for the king, because he represents Jesus Christ!!?? clap

Some tribes have been eliminated completely.


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I totally agree Saeed. You are most likely speaking about Landas eradication of the indigenious people of the south + central american continent.Let us not forget the crusades. Both of these attrocities were formulated by the Roman Catholic Church. Again by misguided individuals.I love to read history books as well;but just like in the "slavery issue" I was not there or even alive at that point. The bottom line is that what the church did in the centuries past was wrong + it WAS done for gold.I do not think that that gives any credence to modern day muslim terrorist extremism.


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Here is a Christian for you!

Or is she as stupid and misguided as members of ISIS are to Islam??


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Once a friend of mine --a Muslim -- was asked about some of the violence by the "Muslims" He said I can't explain it. There are as many different sects in the Muslim religion as there are in the Christian religion. If I asked you to explain how some christian nut-case in Utah could keep a harem of teen aged girls In the name of the Lord, could you do it?


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I love to read history books.

The ones about the Spanish in South America, where the Spanish use the religious excuse to murder all and sundry, and steal their gold, all for the king, because he represents Jesus Christ!!?? clap

Some tribes have been eliminated completely.


That is certainly true, but that happened back in the 1500s, and history is full of atrocities that were committed in the name of any and all religions.

But as I've stated, most civilizations outgrew that kind of religious violence, but for some reasons many Muslims today still think it is okay to kill in the name of their religion and actually act on it, or support it covertly.

That is the problem so many non-Muslims have with Islam today.

As I stated, decent Muslims need to take a stance against all forms Islamic terrorism (and not celebrate attacks).

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