http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/30/canada/antlers_sold040430



Alberta man admits selling prize antlers



Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:49:22







EDMONTON - After a week in an Alberta jail for refusing to turn over a set of prize deer antlers, a 75-year-old man was sent back to his cell on Thursday for refusing to say what he did with the money when he apparently sold the family heirloom last year.



Don Broder admitted in an Edmonton court he sold the world-record rack last May.



The trophy had been in the family since Broder's father, Ed, shot the buck in 1926.



The antlers are famous in hunting circles, still holding the world record for a non-typical mule deer.



Don Broder has had the antlers since 1973, but in 1997 his six siblings launched a lawsuit to have the trophy antlers sold and the money divided.



The Broder siblings won a court decision in March. Saying he promised his dying father in 1968 never to let the antlers be sold, Broder was found in contempt of court for not handing them over and put in jail last Friday.



On Thursday, he admitted he doesn't have the antlers anymore.



Elizabeth MacInnis, the lawyer for Broder's siblings told the court she had been in contact with a lawyer representing a man in Montana man who claimed he had purchased the antlers.



MacInnis said the antlers were sold last May for $171,000 US. Tests are planned to prove the rack in Montana is the Broder buck.



A judge has ordered that Broder remain in jail until he tells the court where the money went.



Justice Myra Bielby also said she would report the new developments to the justice minister. Broder and one of his sons could face further charges including perjury and obstruction of justice.



CBC News reported on Tuesday that an American businessman specializing in taxidermy was offered the antlers by someone who said he bought them from Broder.

Someone paid $171,000.00 for a set of very large deer antlers????!!!!!

Well, boys and girls, that just proves beyond a doubt that P.T. Barnum is alive and well!!

L.W.

Leanwolf, these are "the" world record non-typical antlers just like there is only one ball used that broke Roger Maris' homerun record. What do you think the Hansen buck antlers are worth?

Leo, considering the fact that I'm a 100% capitalist, I'm all in favor of someone making as much profit as possible, selling a product or item at whatever price the market will bear. So, congratulations to the fellow who found a buyer who would pay that ridiculous price for the antlers.

As for the "only ball" analogy, that holds up only so long as some baseball player does NOT break the home run record of the guy who broke the home run record of Maris who broke the home run record of "the Babe," who broke the home run record of...............

One of these days (perhaps it shall be I, or you, or...?) someone will pop a non-typical deer larger than the one sold recently, and then the dude who paid the $171,000 will be just S.O.L.

As to what it would be worth to me? Nothing. I don't hang mounts on my wall I didn't shoot.

L.W.

This rack hasn't been challenged in almost 80 years. it's about 25" larger than the nearest competitor. It will take a real freak to surpass it. They had one of the B&C officials on the news and he figured it would be highly unlikely for it to ever be beaten, but I'll be trying

personally, I am trying to figure out what the court is trying to prove by making a 75 yr old guy sit in jail for something this stupid.

I feel sorry for the 75 yr old gentleman if his own kids are suing their father to make a buck.

The older gentleman must have been one S.O.B, and taught his kids to be the same way, or his kids are an example of today's money hungry society that forgets all rules of common decency.

Personally I think some lame judge out to be sitting in jail for jailing a 75 yr old man over something so trivial. I am sorry to admit it, but I expected a lot more common sense and a lot more ethical decency out of people in Alberta.

Albertans are some of the best people I have ever met anywhere in all of my travels. To me, they are like what all Canadians use to be, some of the best people on earth.

This whole story shows how far our society, and evidently Canada's has flushed down the toilet.

seafire

Right, Tony. It means that the guy is a chiseling crook to cheat his brothers and sisters.

I don't know about you guys, but to lock up a 75 yr old guy for antlers or an estate squabble, whether he is a chisler or not, is a little ridiculous.



I can see the headlines if the guy dies in custody and the city has to potentially look at that law suit.



Just makes me glad I am not in that family.



It just strikes me that once a person hits a certain age, do we really need to jail an old person, in our overcrowded penal system?



Violating a court order, is not like he killed someone, or is a mass murder.



And with what I read in the headlines about court decisions nowadays, I tend to look at a guy violating a court order, especially an old guy, a someone standing up to the tyranny that our justice system is creating in this country. Or in Canada for that matter.



Our judicial system is out of control and things like this, are an example why to me.



If he sold them, sitting in jail for a 75 yr old guy is not going to aid in them being recovered. Fancy deer rack or not, it is still just a dam deer rack.



Why not just beat him with a rubber hose!



Glad that in Edmonton AB that their city is so safe that, things like that are considered front page news and crimes.

Sheeesh



seafire

seafire/ B17G,

Contempt of Court is pretty serious offence in most country's and that is the issue here not the antlers or estate squabble. If the guy does not want to spend time in jail all he has to do is say what he did with antlers (which he did after a few days cooling his heels)and now tell the judge what happend to the money. He is the one who is being obstanant about the whole issue and as the others say, sounds like a real crook.He is probably hoping to get away with it because of his age!

Regards,

Pete

The kids of the old guy that is in jail also argued that their father was too old to be locked up. The judge told them that in consideration of their father's age any of them, the kids, could trade places with their father and take his place in the jail cell . None of them took the judge up on his offer.

It isnt about a deer rack it is about stealing money from an estate. It is his own family that he stole from BTW.
Sorry but in my book a thief is a thief regarless of age.

Well,



I guess my opinion on this must make old Seafire a Liberal.



And as he says, are Fools are not Liberal, but all Liberals are fools.



So I guess I must be a fool on this subject, and then so be it.



The whole thing seems a little dramatic in my book. Along with ridiculous.



But it has also pissed me off when I have seen some people in my family die, and then other relatives fight over every little spec of dust, not for the sentimental value, but the few bucks something might be worth.



It makes me sick, and of any family member that has died, all I have done is walk away from it all. NOT even the stuff that was left to me in a will, if someone else had to have it and made a big stink it was their's. I am not going to insult the loss of the deceased, by fighting over the spoils of, or the remains of their estate. I look at it as no different than grave robbing.



And as far as the kids, not willing to take their father's place in jail due to his age, I guess they were raised with different values than I was. I had a family member that a judge tried to put in jail, in effect was caused by County Paperpusher's messing up paper work. I told the judge that it would harm my brother's world at the time, and it would only prove nothing.

The county was at fault and my brother had complied with a previous court order.



The judge offered me the option to spend the time in jail in his place, while the county tried to relocate paperwork they had misplaced,. I stood up and said Yes to his offer.



The judge declined after a few moments of thought and realizing I guess it would not accomplish anything. My brother was released on his own recognicance ( sp??). The issue was settled the following Monday.



Different circumstances, but I maintain our court system is out of hand in this country ( the USA) and needs to be realed in a notch or two. Judges are crooked and biased toward the government and against the people.



IN my youth, I studied to be an attorney, and decided to drop out because I saw the corruption, the hypocracy and the biased against the citizens they were supposed to serve.

I wanted no part of it.



I support my police until I see the local force has corruption, and then I stand up for what is right, not what brings in more money into police and county coffers.



I just am amazed that the guys family, whether he is a cheapskate or not, thinks all of this is worth it. I am glad I am not in that family. If I was, I would walk away from the whole thing. Just my personal choice.



cheers.

seafire

Good for you Seafire. I agree, this is really a family squabble gone bad, and the only reason anyone here would be interested at all is because it anvolves a trophy deer. The man is a thief (and a lier, as first he told everyone he would refuse to sell the antlers for the estate because it was his dieing father's last wish that they be kept in the family, then whoops, suddenly he's already sold them, and he won't share with his siblings). As to whether the man deserves jail time for contempt of court, well, I can't really say. He's very old, and really, most governmental organisations are in my contempt most of the time, so I would probably be sitting there with him. As to the will thing, I went through a similar situation some years back with my step sisters, they were sure there must be more money left then what was in the bank and insurance policies when my step dad died, and refused to believe the paperwork. They even went so far as to hire a lawyer and start legal proceedings. Once thier lawyer saw all the documentation, and realised that there would be no large percentage payoff in the end, he told them to drop the case. FWIW - Dan

Nothing surprising in this day and age when it comes to families, money and estates. Just another example of family breakdown and societys greed for money. Lawyers seem to like to ignite these things within families to line their own pockets if they figure there's a dollar in it for them somewhere. Estate lawyers are just as bad as divorce lawyers who have wrecked many familys who only really needed a little help to get along. Lawyers become politicians and judges, they make the laws that enable all this crap that goes on in society. They take advantage of the innocent taxpaying sheep of society and represent the evil in the world and make it prosper. About 95% of the lawyers in the world should be blugeoned to death.

Oscar and Dan,



ONe thing that "dont' get me going on that one " is lawyers.



I will tell you the worst thing I HATE about Canadians. Evidently there are too dumb, not to learn from the lesssons of others. ( Actually the only thing I Hate about Canadians)

And Lord knows I love Alberta!!!



The worst example of common sense in the last 40 yrs has been my own country, the USA. Every dumb idea our self professed " liberal" politicians come up, Canada adopts!



If you take about everything that comes out of our politicians mouths and do the opposite, I bet 80% of the social problems in Canada would end abruptly.



Lawyers:



These are scarey statistics and no wonder life is so screwed up. How many politicians are attorneys by profession? Too many.



The USA has 6 % of the world's population.



The USA has 71 % of the world's lawyers.



The USA has more people in Law School,,than it is has lawyers currently "practicing" law.



It is like some of the jokes.:



What do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?



What do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?



What is black and brown and wears well on an attorney?



I don't call the punch lines humorous, I call them common sense.



1. A good start

2. A much better start

3. A Doberman



I know this is off topic and should be on the politics forum, but I can't resist the temptation.



I'll ban myself for 6 hours for bad behaviour over this.



Cheers and Good shooting

seafire



PS, Seafire went to college to become an attorney but after graduating with a BS ( ain't those initials the truth) in Law, and getting accepted to a fairly prestigious Law School. ( William and Mary), he dropped out because He did not have what it took to be an attorney in today's world.



1. A sense of moral decency

2. A work ethic

3. Honesty

Tony, I hope we find out the 75 year old spent the $171,000 on a binge with a limo full of hookers. They grow em tough up north.

Oskar and Seafire



You had to know when you wrote what you wrote that there was going to be at least one lawyer who came forward to tell you that you are wrong.



You are wrong.



I agree with you that there are a few bad apples out there in the legal profession. But there are also bad apples in the Medical profession, the dental profession, the accounting profession, and just about every other profession or vocation on this earth, including those hookers that Customstox mentioned.



Moreover, in the legal profession, most of the time if one is caught being a bad apple, one either loses their license, or better yet, gets thrown in jail. Here in Minnesota we have even thrown an appellate court judge in jail for stealing from a trust fund.



Still, I cannot count the number of times people have come to me with the story that they were in a divorce without a lawyer and got a raw deal and now they wanted me to see if I could fix it for them. And I can't count the number of parents who have come to me in the middle of a child custody battle that they were trying to handle theirself and now that they got a bad ruling from a judge they decided all of a sudden that they really needed a laywer.



You say you know lawyers who have come into divorce cases to wreck families. I say most of the time these families were "wrecked" well before the lawyer got there.



You say lawyers and judges make all of the bad laws. I say if you don't like the laws they write, then run for your legislature and make laws you like.



You say lawyers don't do anything unless its to line their own pockets. I say I have done over 150 family law cases on a pro bono basis without charging a dime (when was the last time you gave away almost $200,000 in free work to help the poor) and I know many other lawyers who have come close to doing the same.



You say lawyers should be bludgeoned to death. I say wait until some day when you really need some legal help and see if you still say that.



Blue

Well Blue, since you are a shooter, I can make an exception for you! However if you are from Minnesota, I can tell you that what I have seen of the courts in Hennepin County and having to deal with them as a divorced father, that is why I left the state of Minnesota. I had about had it with their self righteous attitude.

Yes, halfway thru a divorce, someone may need a lawyer.
But probably because the other side already had a lawyer who was running rough shod over them. And the court system let it be done. Where else does the powers that are suppose to judge onbiasedly, sit aside and let one group take advantage of the other.

Thru being divorced, child visitation, traffic tickets, Employer wrongful dismissal, Medical Business's blackballing me after I turned them into the FDA for violations that ended up in wrongful death of patients, so some business could save a buck.

I have dealt with the Minnesota court system, especially Hennepin County. There is no right or wrong, it is just who is the biggest con artist in front of the judge. And then judges support their own profession, by ruling against someone who can't afford an attorney, and does not qualify to have one assigned. As in child support cases, try and drop it when your income falls, and then you have some county attorney telling the courts, " if Mr. So and So can afford an attorney, then evidently he has enough money to be able to pay more child support". Yet if you say something to the judge, he tells you that you have access to the legal library and not knowing the law is not an excuse. I have had them tell me to get an attorney or suffer the consequences. Sorry but it is a good old boys club, who are they fooling.

I don't know if you are a Minneapolis attorney, but I have not had very good experience with them, and their elitist attitude.
It is keeping their elitist system afloat, that the rest of the public is given the shit end of the stick.

Of course unless you are a social disaster. I could have had my entire child support problems thrown right out the window, if I would have allowed myself to be committed to some county alcohol or drug rehab program...... Except that I don't drink or use drugs. So I tell them this, and the legal field tells me they gave me an option and I am arguing with them because I won't take advantage of by enrolling in Rehab.
I even had a judge to just tell me to "lie about it then, we don't care if you are an alcoholic or drug user or not in reality".

So I have honesty and integrity, and I get shafted for it., and shafted and shafted and shafted, for 17 yrs now.

And you finally said, that you have done X amount of cases on pro bono work, that would have amounted to over $200 grand in compensation if you would have been paid for it.

to that I have to say my hat is off to you..... to bad their are not more upstanding people in your profession that share their generosity. I am sure there are, I have just not had the pleasure of meeting them, especially in Minnesota!!!

I don't agree with Oscar that they all need to be bludgeoned to death. I admire integrity no matter what the profession, and I distain lack of it, regardless of profession.

Just unfortunately too many people in your profession have lost contact with basic Christian Values, and common decency. I have had the pleasure of sitting next to attorneys on airplanes when traveling. Some of my most stimulating conversations have been with attorneys on those airplane trips. Some of the best people I have met on those plane rids were attorneys.

YOU have my personal respect, and my personal apology if anything I have stated has fallen negatively on you. However, my opinions of dealing with government and lawyers has been bought and paid for in full and none of the experiences were anything positive. I could not bleed enough or be hurt enough to satisfy these people. Yet when they fuck up, they have every excuse under the sun. And that is all based on my life in Minnesota!/ Hennepin County.

If you are not of that crowd then May God Bless You!

Sincerely
seafire

Seafire



As this is a shooting forum, I don't think the other readers would appreciate you and I debating the merits and problems with the Hennepin County Minnesota court system here.



Moreover it would be foolish of me to comment without having read the specific court documents in the cases you have mentioned.



Suffice it to say, in any divorce case in which children are involved, most states are going to have a child support system in place, and most states are going to use an overall theory in handling those types of cases which is generally referred to as the best interests of the children theory. That theory is defined in terms of objective criteria, but of course we all know that objective criteria, especially in the social arena, are always perceived subjectively depending on who is doing the perceiving. (As an example, we have a U.S. Constitution that is probably 6 or 7 pages long. However, we have well over 600 volumes of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, and untold U. S. Court of Appeal decisions and District Court decisions, that attempt to tell us what those 6 pages in the Consitution mean!!!!)



You feelings are subjective, but they are very real to you. I am sorry that things happened to you here that caused you to feel the way you do. Too bad you didn't know me when you were here. Maybe the outcomes of your cases would have been the same, but maybe not!!



Blue

Chic,



When I went to the SCI convention in January, a few friends and I had a discussion about the Nevada brothels. After hearing how much the services in such cost, it wouldn't take very long to blow $171K. But then I have to wonder about his recuperation time between visits, even if he goes with Viagra in hand. -TONY

HOt Core:

Thank you for pointing out my inappropriate use of words. It has been edited and corrected.

I am studying to be a minister, not a preacher. Some one who preaches has a different view than I do.

My involvement with Scouting doesn't include any Swab Jockies or Kerry's types if that was your reference.

Thanks
seafire

Blue: Consider these feeling to be "subjective" if you want to!

I had never even seen a lawyer until I was 21 years old! So I had no built in feelings "subjective" or otherwise one way or the other regarding lawyers!

Then for the next 29 years I dealt with lawyers virtually on a daily basis! In all kinds of venues from criminal trials to civil trials, inquests, appeals, lawsuits and on and on!

In addition I had the privilege of arresting many dozens of lawyers!

Based on my dealings with this group of "professionals" as you describe them (and perhaps yourself) I have come to this conclusion and opinion. There is not ON EARTH a more corrupt, dishonest, deceitful, hideous, immoral, greedy, unscrupulous and despised group to be found. Yes I am making reference to the common North Amercican lawyer! Also referred to in times past as ambulance chasers! Again taking into account my unbiased opinion based on thousands and thousands of occasions to deal with this hideous group I will relay this additional opinion, that 98% of North Amercian lawyers fall into this described group! That 98% sure makes it hard on the 2% that I found to be somewhat honorable human beings!

I also had the great privilege to be seated in a civil court proceeding waiting to testify when the witness being questioned was cautioned by the presiding judge to show more respect for the questioning attorney! The witness without hesitation replied "I have more respect for lawn fudge in my waffle stompers (dog shit in my shoe soles!) than I do for attorneys"! I nearly wet myself trying not to burst out laughing and into applause at that line!

In my opinion the sons of bitches and daughters of whores who practice the "profession" of attorney at law in North America should NEVER be trusted! EVER!

Again my opinions are based on about 1,000 times more experience than the average North American has with "attorneys"! Yes its a shame that 98% of a profession should ruin the reputation of the 2% that do deserve respect! Its just the way it is!

I do not know how long you may have been practicing but in todays society I have noticed (in the last two decades especially) that people I know to be lawyers often do not admit to it in public and at social occasions! For instance I have lost track of the times I have seen lawyers when asked what they do for a living simply lie! Or state "I am self employed"! This is a shame in itself! The profession has become so universally disrespected and distrusted that one would try and hide their chosen way of "making" a living. Sorry situation this!

A long time ago I used to think "ambulance chaser" was a term not used in polite company. What I hear lawyers called these days makes ambulance chaser seem like a compliment!

Please do not take offense at what I have learned during my adult life regarding the vast majority of lawyers but I feel I should caution you regarding exposing your chosen profession in public. I hope you are part of the 2% by the way!

Hold into the wind

VarmintGuy

Varmitguy



Again, this is a shooting forum. But I will briefly respond to what you had to say.



If what you say is true, then you certainly have objective experience with lawyers, although again, subjective opinion.



If you were (are) a law enforcement officer and you arrested lawyers, and you had probable cause to do so, then I have no argument with you. Lawyers (including myself) are certainly not above the law, and if there is probable cause to arrest a lawyer then that should surely be done.



I would point out that when you refer to lawyers as a hideous, immoral, greedy, and usscruplulous group you must remember that lawyers "represent" hideous, immoral, greedy, and unscrupulous people who, under our federal and state constitutions, are entitled to rigorous representation of their interests in courts of law. And some of those folks who are hideous, immoral, greedy and unscruplulous happen to be law enforecment officers as well as lawyers, doctors, bricklayers, an on and on into the night!!!



If I were ashamed of being a lawyer I would not have mentioned it here, would I. If I had not done a good job in "representing" people, then those people surely would not refer hundreds and hundreds of other people to me, would they??



I don't take offense at what you say. In fact, I applaud you for using your right to speak freely and as you wish. I, as an attorney, and as a citizen, would not want it any other way.



Blue



P.S. I will be out in Montana this fall for Elk. Maybe I can locate you and we can go out for coffee and continue this conversation!!

Blue, since you brought it up I'll admit my statement was tongue in cheek and maybe your one of the 5% of decent lawyers out there. I commend you that you have donated $200,000 in pro bono fees. What does that equate to in hours. I also donate my time to service clubs and make donations to causes when I can and have devoted countless hours to various causes but I don't calculate it out in a dollar figure as I don't figure anyones volunteer time for a good cause is something a person should put a dollar figure on. I figure my time is as valuable as anyone elses whether they are a labourer or a plastic surgeon. When we donate our time we are all of equal value. I've seen lawyers do pro bono work for a service club and put in a few hours and want acclaim for the dollar value of it, yet the person who rolls up his sleeves and is the backbone of these organizations, puts in countless hours seldom gets any credit nor do they want any mention.

Oskar

Lets put it this way. I work full time, and I bet that I make less than one tenth of your salary per year. I do volunteer work for four different organizations.

Blue

Blue, I think you have me mistaken for someone who has money. Maybe my reference to plastic surgeons gave you the impression that I am one. I wish I were but infact I only do reconstructive surgery on severely impacted automobiles though I am positive I could do better work than Michael Jacksons surgeon does Now if I could only charge the same fee I'd be on easy street.

To update on the Broader buck. Mr Broader has been released from the Edmonton remand Center today. He has made a deal to return the Butte Montana buyers money in exchange for the return of the head to the family estate. It remains to be seen how the family will divide it up or how this deal was brokered or why the buyer would give it back. Seems there is a little skullduggery going on and makes me wonder if it really was actually ever sold.

Thanx there hot core!
We all help each other out at times.

Appreciate your assistance.

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

OH, I will just put it here.

I have had a few emails back and forth with "Blue".

I have found him to be a real Upstanding guy. After all he is a fellow shooter. NO matter what the profession, they all can't be all good or all bad.

Blue is a top shelf guy, professionally AND personally.

We own guys like him a vote of gratitude, of being that type in a profession that others have caused it to get a bad name, to be able to rise above the negative stigma and do a good job in a field that can be thankless. It is not all big buck wins and golf games friday afternoons.

With all the scum bags we have as criminals in our society, it is attorneys that get these guys off, but we need to remember it is also attorneys who put these guys away and get them off of our streets.

Blue my hat is off to you and welcome to our chat board.

If anyone who has been around here a while, you are not really a real member until someone has plucked a tail feather or two off of you. The ones who haven't had that are just passerbys. Ask anyone with a batch of posts on their charts if they haven't seen me called every name under the sun, and had everything from my intelligence to my dog questioned.

YOU have now become a full fledged initated member!!

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

Blue: Yes this is a shooting forum! You are missing the point! The disdain, distrust and disrespect that the vast majority of North Americans hold for you and those of your profession will not be diminished by a paragraph of words here or anywhere else! It would take decades to recoup ANY semblance of respect for you and your ilk! I do not see ANY CHANCE what so ever of that happening!
I stand by every opinion I stated in my previous post and will not alter said opinion in even the slightest way!
Indeed I will expound upon it here!
I went through the Police Academy with 42 young men. Many were Viet Nam veterans and two of them were men who had been preachers up until they chose to respond to this new calling! One was voted the President of our Academy Class. This man never spoke a harsh (let alone profane) word in all the time I knew him! I will quote him here now - this gentle, devout and dedicated man said "why did God make Lawyers"? "They have to be his worst creation of all time"!
The other former preacher (again the type that would never disparage a fly), two other men and I were talking about our now late teenage daughters and their futures. The subject turned to women needing to work or marrying well! The former preacher who now had about 20 years of first hand observance of "lawyers" spoke quietly and firm and in all seriousness and conviction - "I would rather my daughter bring home a pimp than a lawyer"!
You my fine feathered friend have no idea (apparently) of the depth of the contempt for you and your "profession"! Otherwise you would not announce your "chosen profession" in a public forum!
I could care less if you, a "lawyer", heed my warning, feel its subjective, declare this is not the place or what ever! You are a lawyer and I have no respect for you, your opinions or your profession what so ever!
And be aware please, Blue, that I am quite amiable in my personality! There are people out there that will smile to your lawyer face and take out their hatred of you and your ilk in criminal ways! I have investigated, arrested and helped prosecute these type people! Just be aware you are held in extremely low esteem by most and most won't say anything to your face! I will! And then there are those that will act upon their feelings. Just be aware.
Sincerely.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Varmit Guy, first off I will not defend any lawyer's, I have no use for them but you sir, need to wake up and smell the roses Seems to me that your chosen profession is far from lily white and has recieved much more media exporsure than any lawyer for corruption. Just my humble opinion

Then you make this foolish statement:: depth of the contempt for you and your "profession"! Otherwise you would not announce your "chosen profession" in a public forum! guess we could apply that to you and your lily white profession.



Read a newspaper, watch the news... please take the time to point out the head lines of the mass corruption of lawyers compared to Law enforcement

Varmint guy... the exact same can be said for police officers. How many people do you know that say they love cops? Everyone hates em, I'd be willing to bet that cops are more hated than lawyers, because they abuse thier power constantly; your self-righteous, arrogant post solidifies it too! I know plent of cops and of the dozen that I'm fairly good friends with and related to, I really don't like them all that much as cops what so ever!