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I have a .458 Win that I built on a Mauser Action. It has sat uncompleted for two years now (unfished, no stock). Well, now we are going to correct those problems with an eye toward, hopefully, a Moose Permit this fall. Anyway, has anyone used such a combination of bullet and cartridge on a Moose? If you could fill me in on details such as weight of bullet, load, etc. I would appreciate it. Also, any other bullets you might recommend for such a hunt. Thanks, Sean | ||
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Just so that you don't waste your money, the 458 just won't handle the 500 gr. X bullet..The bullet is too long and gets too far into the case and you can't get enough powder in it.... I'd use a 500 gr. Woodleigh or Hornady, the bullet doesn't make much difference on moose as your over gunned anyway... the 400 or 450 gr. X bullet might work, I don't know.... ------------------ | |||
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| <BigBores> |
LoneEagle, You shoot a moose with a 458 WM with X bullets and you're gonna put a bay window where his chest used to be! LOL | ||
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Well, I never intended to use the 500's, I was thinking of the 350 or maybe the 400. As far as blowing a Bay Window through his chest, Good. From talking to my Uncle and some friends that may be what it takes to get his attention. Thanks, Sean BTW, I have some 300 gr Hornady's that I load in my 45/70. I just don't know how they would hold up to the impact velocities possible with my .458. [This message has been edited by LoneEagle (edited 07-04-2001).] | |||
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| <BigBores> |
LoneEagle, I would think that the 300 gr hornady's would do a "bug on the windshield" impression upon hitting a solid part of a moose. I think the jackets are too light, more of a deer/blackbear bullet. The X bullets would work, but hell, anything that doesn't blowup in the moose would work. It's not like you need much expansion with a 458 hole to start with. | ||
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| <Dr. John> |
here is a question. people say a bullet has failed when they go retrieve an animal that was dropped on the spot, dead, and say the bullet did not perform correctly? bullet function seems a difficult thing to understand. some calibers (like 22 for 22-250) are "explosive" on impact to they deliver all their energy to the animal. handgun bullets for self protection...the same idea. but to shoot big game we need a bullet that mushrooms perfectly and goes in and out of the animal. I always figured that a quick kill was always the desired result, not if I got 2 holes. If I shot a moose with a 458 win mag (or anything for that matter) and it fell like it got run over by a truck...I would say that bullet functioned perfectly. Or am I missing the point. Or do we long for the perfect mushroom just because. also, bullets that mushroom heavily and make it out the other side usually tend to blow a large hole. I myself would rather not take the chance and have a "bullet fail" but drop the animal on the spot with very limited suffering. | ||
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45 Caliber="pre-expanded" bullet.:-) That's why... ------------------ | |||
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People who buy 45 caliber, or larger guns, don't want to be subject to the whims of the bullet expansion Gods. In 45 Colt, 45 LBT, or Keith style, bullets, with large met plats, punch very large, effective, straight, wound channels through game, including Cape Buffalo. Now, why, if you have a gun that functions best with, large, slow moving slugs, someone would want to spend 5 bucks, gambling on bullet expansion, when you don't need any, and, destroying more meat, is truly beyond me. But, lighter, Barnes X sound pretty good, and, other options are avaliable. Gerald's bullets come to mind. gs ------------------ | |||
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Dr. John: I was trying to agree with you, but got lost in my own prose;-) gs | |||
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I would think that 500 grn sp performed perfectly seeing there is only a handful of animals in this world that are heavier than a big bull moose and it busted through so many bones. I shot a big moose a couple years ago with a 375 300 grn failsafe and it penetrated completely with two ribs in its way, it dropped in its track, I'd say you and I got our monies worth. Moose are big animals and unless someone else is going to pack that animal out it would be to your benefit to stop it immediately, try butchering one when it runs out into a lake or river which is 40 degrees temperature and then drops. | |||
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| <Dr. John> |
well, I have an uncle in Canada who was lucky enough to get drawn for the moose hunt. So he decided to video tape the hunt. He was using a 7mm Rem mag. video showed the bull at about 50-75 yards into the trees off the side of an old logging road. the hunter shot at the moose all rounds in the rifle before is actually dropped on the logging road as it was crossing. what luck! the hunter could not figure why his rifle was shooting so badly. he thought he missed all shots except for the last one. after dressing the animal they found that all bullets struck the moose into the shoulder. don't know what bullet he was using. | ||
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quote: Looks like Overkill/Speed/Weatherby finally got his answer! Sorry, couldn't resist. | |||
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It is amazing that 7 months later this topic resurfaced. I do appreciate all replies. I haven't given much thought to this rifle since this post I don't think. Anyway I may end up just working up a load with the Speer 400 grain Flat Point. For the range I am looking at that flat point should do well and thump when it hits. Sean | |||
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Based on that, I would use the Swift or Woodleigh in a 458 and use the Hornadys for practice and deer. I have seen a few of the Hornadys used on Buff and as I recall they held together and went to the off side well expanded. I have only used the solids and they are fine... I like the Wooldeighs, Swifts in 500 gr. but for Moose I suspect the 450 gr. monolithic would work fine..I'd want the GS Customs. A 458 will not blow a window size hole in a moose or a deer, that stuff is reserved for hi velocity rounds... most big bores destroy very little meat and you can eat right up to the hole. thats the beauty of a big bore. ------------------ | |||
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| <pakrattusnongratus> |
The 400 gr flat point will NOT feed in my CZ .458 Win. No flat points will. I have 350 grain X bullets loaded but have no kills to tell about. Hope to flatten a pig in the next few months. Just thought you might want to get lots of practice with the flat point to find any possible feeding problems in action. You might want to check the GS bullets as suggested. http://gscustom.co.za/ ------------------ | ||
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Well, I grew up on moose meat, and we hunted them with 303's and 30-30's. So I'm pretty sure that a 458 with an X bullet will do the job. where are you going to be hunting this moose? Sometimes you need to make a longer shot, at least in my neck of the woods (it's a pretty big neck :-)). - Dan | |||
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| <Dr. John> |
regarding the 458win mag and 500gr barnesX. yes the bullet is very long. I load this bullet with 70gr of Varget. but I don't seat the bullet down to the cannelure. seat it about half-way between base and cannelure (spelling?) . my rifle loves these. 1" groups at 100yards. but.....I have to use the rifle as a single shot since the cartridge will not fit in the magazine. (also makes the cartridge look long and leggy....nice) but while hunting non-dangerous animals...I really do not care. have not used this round on anything yet but I will. | ||
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| <Dan in Wa> |
Think the Speer 400 grain bullet is intended for standard velocity .45/70 loads. Would be a varmit bullet in the .458. | ||
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