I am courious what you guys think this guy would score. Inside spread was 20".(BTW, this is not my deer)

I am by no means an expert, but I am going to guess 150 +/-. Might go bigger, but looks some what narrow. Does not really matter, I would not pass on him.

i make him close to 160 just eyeballin the pics.
width isn't everything, mass at the splits adds a lot,
and so does tine height/length.
i have a 30 incher hanging on the wall that makes about 160 b.t.w.
he's got a short tine and a broken one or he would have went 170+.

Had a client kill a deer (2012) that looked a lot like this buck and it scored 155". I would say upper 140's to lower 150's.

That's a nice respectable buck.

Steve
www.skymountainoutfitters.com

I ain't no "expert" but I'll chime in anyway.

No more than 165 gross but probably less. Main beam length and G4s are weak, G1s might total 2 inches, and the greatest inside spread between the mains for scoring purposes appears to be about 18-20 inches. Mass is decent but not great and lenght of the G2s is good.

For me, he's a shooter regardless.

I don`t know what he would score,but I would take him if the opportunity was there!!!

I would think 150 ish not much more. He doesn't have any mass and no width so 150 may be giving him to much.

140. His forks are small and that's where you get your points.

I would guess mid 140's. Others have already detailed the shortcomings.

On the other hand who cares. I know we all have to spit out things like G2's, beam length and base circumference when we are in the 'hunting business' but as I get older I find it makes me weary.

Okay, here's my calcs...

I figure both sides will likely average about 5" for each of the four mass measurements for a total of 20 per side or 40 total.

The main beam length looks like it is at least 20 on each side for another 40 total.

Both G2s seem like they are at least 14-15 inches. Go with 14 for a total of 28.

G3s are in the neighborhood of 9-10. Go with 9 for another 18.

G4s likley about 8-9. Go with 8 for another 16.

Add 2 more for the G1s and 20 for the inside spread credit.

Grand total: 164 gross give or take

Here's a 160 gross B&C deer -

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Originally posted by Outdoor Writer:
Okay, here's my calcs...

I figure both sides will likely average about 5" for each of the four mass measurements for a total of 20 per side or 40 total.

20" of mass per side is impressive. My guess is this buck will be lucky to have 16" per side. He might have 4" measurements for his H1 and H2 but I doubt he'll have 4" on his H3 or H4. Mass can be deceiving when trying to field judge as B&C calls for the smallest circumference, not the biggest.

A few years back we killed a deer that got heavier as he went up and it was a FREAK but when we put the tape on him it was considered average at about 38" total.

My guess is about 150" on this buck but who knows

I'm going by the standard judgement of the eye having a circumference of about 4 inches, and the fact my thumb measures close to 3 inches around in the middle, and I have pretty skinny fingers. Even the bases of the G3s and G4s look bigger than that.

BUT..as I said, I ain't no "expert."

Not that anybody will care but when I field judge mass on a mule deer and I'm doing it quick I will break it down as follows...

Below average--16" or less 4" per measurement or less

Average--17"-18" 4 1/2" per measurement or a little less

Above average--18"-20" 5" per measurement

Obviously that per side

I don't ever really give a deer more than 40" when field judging as its uncommon to find deer that heavy. Anything over 40" is just massive IMO

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Originally posted by Outdoor Writer:
I'm going by the standard judgement of the eye having a circumference of about 4 inches, and the fact my thumb measures close to 3 inches around in the middle, and I have pretty skinny fingers. Even the bases of the G3s and G4s look bigger than that.

BUT..as I said, I ain't no "expert."

You could be right, it's just hard to judge anything based on a mount with nothing for perspective. Especially an older looking mount that looks a little weathered. I will say that there is no chance it having 20" per side but it could have a little more than 16"

How I would score him in Mexico or on the plains is by saying "there's a buck" and keep driving

No offense to the OP or anybody that would kill this one. We typically hunt areas where with the genetics we have and the age class we look for they are typically bigger than this.

That being said, there are areas where this is a damn big deer. If its a blacktail it's REALLY impressive

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
If its a blacktail it's REALLY impressive

I shot an old 10-point whitetail in MT a number of years back (not great genetics).....and I was with a bud's brother when I recovered it. When we walked up to it I said "he's not bad, huh?".....and he responded "he'd be a hell of a Coue's deer". Friggin' ballbuster.

I'll SWAG it at 152".

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
No offense to the OP or anybody that would kill this one. We typically hunt areas where with the genetics we have and the age class we look for they are typically bigger than this.

Thanks for all the great replies.

No need to worry about offending me, it's not my deer and the current owner did not shoot it either. It is an Idaho muley.

I really liked the looks of this buck. I know/knew that he wouldn't score well, but I found his rack interesting. The rack is very compact and it gives the illusion of having a lot of mass up top.

I know the bucks that score well have a lot more width and tine length. But sometimes they look spindly to me.

This guy is not a monster, but I would take him in a second. But then I don't know much, but I do know what I like....

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Originally posted by JBrown:

...but I do know what I like....

And that is all that matters!

Merry Christmas

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by JBrown:

...but I do know what I like....

And that is all that matters!

+1

must be a south idaho mulie.
they get lots of height but rarely get any width.

safari hunter:
that buck looks similar to mine.
mine has more width and more mass, yours has a very nicely symetrical rack even with the one cheater point and good tine length.

anything like these are trophy animals, especially when taken on public ground on your own two feet.

Go on B&C site and down load the score sheet. They tell you step by step and gives you your Gross and net score when done, pretty simple, at least get a rough idea.

No width, no beam length, average mass. I'd go 40s.

Here are 3 taken in '07. On the right 30" spread, other 2 nasty with some decent mass. Mine's the one on the left.

A 185ish. Freaking thing was so heavy he bent my receiver hitch on the Ranger.