I am thinking of trying these in my 30/06 on my June Pig Hunt this year, I figure the Hornady interlock may be still soft enought give good expnasion while having the weight to penetrate from any angle. Also the BC is .491 which means in the long haul it carries a lot of whollop. I will be happy if I can get 2600 fps to 2700 fps there abouts.

Anyone else used these

I have loaded them in 300weath. for a friend. He hunted moose and big black bear with them. He shot a 500 pound black bear through the chest and out the opposit shoulder and that was it. The shot was 250yds.
He took coyotes past 300yrds with that load also.
I'm thinking of trying them in my 308BLR. Good bear load I think.
Should do better in your /06.

Thanks boiler,

I have never used Hornady bullets before and I do not know if there quick expanders or weather they are a really tough bullet etc.

I just might have to give them a go however, I was considering woodleigh's but these are a good price and may be excellent pig bullets.

[ 01-14-2003, 12:09: Message edited by: PC ]

I would not classify them as a tough bullet by today's measuring stick but trust them for bear/pig size animals and any of our deer species.
You can also get 2600+ fps out of a 24" barrel /06 using a 200gr. Nosler Partion. B.C is .481 and will reach far enough. It will open up plenty and penatrate likewise.
My same friend had me load 220 Partitions for grizz. bear.

It should work fine behave like a normal non premium bullet. Lott of game is shot every year in AFrica with these type of bullets

I have shot pigs with 165 gr ballsitc tips before but they were smaller type pigs and not really big mud encrusted ones that I hope to hunt.

How would these 190 gr hornady's compare to the 165 gr ballistic tips ??

P.C
you will find the190 gn hornady proj expands much the same way as the 180 gn
have you tried some 200 gn woodleighs im getting 2700 fps with 58 gn of vv 560 in my 06
in fact with most of the 200 gn proj in my 06 im getting 2700 ....but mine has got a 26 inch tube
when i pull my federal high energy loads a part
and use the high energy powder im getting 2800 fps with the 200 gn nosler
daniel

I load the 190 gr Hornady in my 308, 30-06 ackley, and a 300 Win Mag. Works well in all of them, on all the game I've tried it on. It isn't a premium bullet, but it has enough weight to get the job done on anything this side of dangerous game. the only reason I use it in my 308 is accuracy, because it only goes about 2400 fps in this cartridge. The rifle loves them though, groups in the 2's and 3's when I do my part. This isn't a hunting rifle, it's a 308 heavy varmint rifle. I have tried it in my 308 Rem 600 as well, not as accurate or as fast, but it sure knocks down deer. - Dan

M98,

I have not tried the 200 gr woodleigh's, I just see the shooters warehouse in Canberra has these 190 gr Hornady's for $45AUS per 100. They have a really high BC and will carry a fair whollop at 300 yards were over the long haul thye out strip there lighter partners. Pigs will be the biggest game I use them on and I reckon they might be just the ticket on them.

I hope to get 2700 fps from 22" ruger, is that to optimistic ??

Dan if you reckon big pigs will not be to stressful on these then I will go that way. I reckon they might hold together better than the 165 gr Nosler BT's as the speeds are a little lower and they have more weight.

I have loaded Hornady 190 gr. BTSPs in my .300 Win Mag for several years. This bullet has given me sub 1/2 MOA in my Remington 700 Sendero (VSSF). I have taken deer as far as 350 yards with great results.

Although the BTSP is not a premium bullet, it is more than adequate for most all game in the continental USA. Granted, large and dangerous game requires tougher bullets, but, a pig ain't that big!!!!

I am going to give these big hornady's a go gents thanks for your help.

PC
to be really honest you dont need a 190 gn proj for pigs or for that matter any of the 200 gn proj its just that i like testing them so i get a feel of how they perform
i think you will really struggle to get 2700 from the ruger....if you had it necked out etc and loaded it really heavey you probabley would get 2700...one of the posters on H.A Brian M has got a ruger thats necked out and he told me he gets 2700 with 60 gns of vv 560 with his ruger
any way pigs are not hard to put down no matter how big they are...but as i say its good to get a feel of what diffrent bullets do
did you get my e mail about the pig hunt????
regards daniel

pc
what powder are you thinking of useing
daniel

Dan,

I will use AR2209 I think. Might get a little better load density than what I am currently getting with the 165 gr Nos BT and 49 gr of AR2208.

Dan,

Can you explain Necked out to me ??

Even if I got 2600 fps that high BC on this bullet still carries a fair bit of whollop at 300 yards. BC is .491, trajectory would be equal to the .375 H&H or there abouts.

Paul
necked out means basically the point where your bullet contacts the rifling has been moved foward...allowing your bullet to be seated out further out of the case and there by giving you more case capacity and inturn more velocity
this is achived with having a specific reamer made for your cartridge or useing a neck reamer

for any projectile up to and including the 180 gn the best powders are the imr 4350,R19 ,norma 204 and H4350which is AR2209 basically R19 in very scarce imr 4350 is avaliable from the crowd in canberra but is expensive and norma 204 is a great powder but is not avaliable so you are basically left with 2209 which is just as good as any of the above powders and tempreture does not effect it at all
that said if you plan to use either the 190 or 200 gn projectile any of the above powders are to fast to get OPTIMUM velocity at acceptable presseres ...IM NOT SAYING THEY WILL NOT WORK...THEY WILL BUT NOT OPTIMALLY!!
your best powders for the 190/200 gn proj in the 06 will be R 22 VV 560 NORMA MRP winchester WXR which is made under the same roof as R22 IN SWEDEN H 4831 WHICH IS AR 2213 S/C is okay but im not fussed with it in my rifles and 200 gn proj
as far as the high b.c of the 190 gn bullet goes or any ballistic tip etc etc it is plain out b.s stick with your
standard 200 gn noslers or woodleighs forget about high b.c and retained velocity it is hype and in the hunting situation offers no real benefits
one thing that i have noticed between the 180 and 200 gn projectiles in the 06 is that the 200 gn breaks bones a lot more freqently than the eqivalent 180 gn proj
i have just got a whole lot of data back from ADI which i got pressure tested by one of my friends who is the head ballistic honco there which was quite intresting.
if your serious about your 06 drop me a line one night i might be able to point you in the right direction with your load development ...you will save your self a bit of time powder and bullets
daniel

I got good results from the 190 Hornady boattails in a Browning Safari (Mauser action) 30-06 rifle that is not especially accurate. I used Remington brass, Remington 9 1/2 primers, and 54 grains of H4350 powder. Overall cartridge length 3.27 inches. Crimped with Lee Factory Crimp Die. Velocities were in the range of 2625 f.p.s. from this rifle with its 22 inch barrel. I got some 100 yard 3-shot groups under 3/4 inch with this load, and a 3-shot 200 yard group that measured 0.82 inch.

[ 01-18-2003, 22:44: Message edited by: LE270 ]

I've harveted lots of boar in Argentina and the US, as well as numerous Warthogs in SA, all with a 7 mag.

I've used Partitions, Interlock, Aframes and Barnes X bullets all in 160 and 175 grains.

My observation, the Hornady will work fine and is my prefered pig bullet in 7mm/175, if I recover any, it is normally lodged in bone, heavuly deformed and just under 100 grains.

[ 01-21-2003, 04:48: Message edited by: CHiPS_FAN ]

Chips,

alas this discussion was for no avail as they only had 100 hornady 190 gr bullets available. I have instead opted for the speer 180 gr Round Nose for my pig hunting this year, it's at the oposite end of the BC scale

CHiPS is the man when it comes to pigs with tusks and attitudes. He's had some hairy adventures in tall grass with them. He's also used the .270 and .340 Weatherbean.