I dare say that when Chuck Adams was growing up as a little boy, do you think he had his mind set on fame,fortune and popularity off the land? I can't answer that question with any certainty, but i'd imagine he just loved hunting, and got real good at what he loved. He got recognized, became half-famous, so now it's damn near a crime to exercise his skill and resources pursueing what he loves. Maybe if he was like Mitch Rompolo, and refused to submit his animal, he'd be more tolerable in certain circles??? Trigger
Posts: 271 | Location: ALBANY,NY,USA | Registered: 28 December 2001
I know a guy that owns and operates a high fenced hunting operation for Whitetail deer. A guy(without calling names), a local bushman , hunted this enclosure and filmed the event for television. The whole affair was sponsered by a rifle manufacturer, and the budget was $6500. So, this bushman gets into the blind and hunts over a food plot. Then a huge buck walks into the plot, and the bushman makes ready to shoot. But, the property owner taps the "hunter" on the shoulder and says that's an $8500 deer, you'll have to wait for another buck. So, they turn the camera off, and the bushman calls his sponsor on his cell phone. After a brief negotiation and a hardy "Thank You!", the camera is started back up and the bushman shoots the deer. It all looked good on television, but somehow the cell phone call didn't make it on the show.
It's all business baby! Just package it, wrap it, and sell - sell - sell!
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Posts: 802 | Location: Alabama, USA | Registered: 26 June 2003
I lost any respect that I might of had for Chuck Adams, when I seen him posing with a huge bull elk in one of the hunting rags some years ago. It accompanied a chest thumping story of hunting Montana. But the background in the photo was Texas Mesquite thickets.
Every new huge animal that he takes is featured in the "ad" of the week. It's business baby!
Posts: 802 | Location: Alabama, USA | Registered: 26 June 2003
I'm no fan of Chuck A. or bowhunting in general but I know the area and ranch where he shot these two bulls... they are free-ranging elk that just happened to be on the same ranch. Heard of genetic's and low hunting pressure? The P&Y and B&C books are full of heads that come from guided hunts on private ground. So what?
Personally, I feel there should be one book for guided hunts and one for un-guided and there should be a footnote denoting public or private ground for each kill.
Problem is dim-bulb, I know first-hand the circumstances which I'm quite certain you don't. Adam's, nor any bowhunter, is a hero of mine (shit, you can't even read). I just find it amusing that internet heroes love to pile-on a guy making a living off his/her passion... small minded jealousy and not much more.
As an aside, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of our hero Toby proudly posing with his RSA critter in an overly large picture (shrink it man) which was shot on a guided hunt, quite possibly on a high fenced ranch...
Yep, I've been reading about old Chucky since I was 10 or 11. He's been shooting records ever since. Like many of you, I don't buy it. I would expect that he take nicer animals than I will ever see because he spends the money (or someone does) and because he spends more days afield in great areas than I spend in mediocre ones. However, I know for a fact that some ranches buy bucks and elk for stock. Food plots and genetic improvements I guess are great, but what is wrong with Dad, Uncle Bob, and Bill getting together and just enjoying the experience. Bottom line...I'm sure that some ranches / pro hunters are respectable, but I believe enough of them are so concerned with the almighty dollar that I refuse to trust any of them. Am I narrow minded? Yep...ain't it good to be an American!
Posts: 336 | Location: Kentucky | Registered: 03 December 2003
Yeeeah, especially those big uns that get transferred out of a high fence operation the night before. Give me a break. This many records has nothing at all to do with being a good archer or hunter. You could compare this to someone that has won the Lotto 20 times. Not gonna happen ! This reminds me of that recent Brian Pearce article in Rifle magazine with all the BS about the 45-70. It is amazing how STUPID some people get around the media. If its in a magazine or on TV....Well it MUST be true ! Right ? .....RIGHT ? NOT. I wish I could post that article for every one to read. Three shots and Pearce accounts for them all. Their are two real problems I see. A photo shows the buff in the back of a truck with a clear gut shot wound. This was NOT one of the three areas he claims to hit. One of the shots he claims to have hit the buff in the arse with penetration to the guts. Nothing suprising there. Really about what you would expect. Yet he claims another shot from the same gun with the same bullet penetrates BOTH shoulders of a Bull Buff, exits and then penetrates BOTH shoulders of a cow buff. Call me crazy if you like but that just don't really add up. Unless of course penetrating shoulders in our fearless hero's eyes does NOT include hitting bone in either animal. My point is you have to have enough common sense to weed through the BS !
No the problem is people like you that idelize this. Fist hand circumstances huh. Right O Billy Bob. This sort of BS drags down the entire sport. I'm happier with a spike I worked for than a "trophy" taken under suspect circumstances with people like you that have.....how did you put it ? "first hand circumstances" . What ever that means.
At this very moment, I'm looking at a 4X5 35mm snapshot in my hunting album of Chuck Adams standing next to his father and two other gentlemen all holding Dall sheep horns. Three of these guys shot their rams with rifles (fine by me, ever hunted sheep?). Those same three men used horses to aid in the harvest of their Dall sheep (once again, fine by me). Chuck Adams took his Sheep with a bow off his hind legs all the way, and he's got ahold of the biggest ram. Must have had him tied up somewhere I guess.
I am also not an Adams worshiper, but at least I know a few facts.
Chuck
Posts: 2659 | Location: Southwestern Alberta | Registered: 08 March 2003
Why is hunting record book animals unethical, degrading, or otherwise harmful to the sport of hunting? It is a personal choice if you ask me. I have taken ethics classes, but have forgotten a bunch. Will you please define ethics for me. I little refresher would be nice.
Chuck
Posts: 2659 | Location: Southwestern Alberta | Registered: 08 March 2003
What does going on a paid hunt or having a animal mounted have to do with stricly hunting record book animals ? PS. Maybe you should take a ethics class
I'm not sure how it degrades the sport? As was pointed out Adams has made a career out of hunting. More power to him. I've never seen any evidence of him breaking any game laws. I do know he has taken every big game animal in North America with a bow. I believe he also holds the worlds record for Coues Deer. Luck? Some. Outfitted hunts? Who cares. I've been around here long enough to get a feel for who is full of crap and who walks the walk. I'll side with Brad and Big Sky. The rest is just typical petty jealousy.
Jeff
Posts: 784 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 18 December 2000
Chuck, Their are no winners or loosers just opinions. I bet we both know what a lot of folks say about those. The fact is that this sort of trophy hunting draws the bunny huggers like flys on poo. We have seen several news articles on shows like 60 minutes. They all seem to focus strictly on trophy hunting as it pisses a lot of people off. Hunting solely for the PURPOSE of financial gain and self promotion drags down our sport. Their is no way around it.
Considering the number of record book animals in the last year alone that turned out in fact to be poached it is no suprise that record book animals draw so much criticism. I have a few as well that I am constantly getting prodded by buddies to have measured. Who gives a rats behind. Will it change the fact that I had a good hunt that day ? I had a great day when I came home with a spike or even empty handed as well. After all I was hunting all day
At first I thought Chuckwagon didn't know what he was talking about. Now I know he doesn't. Not only that I don't know what he's talking about anymore either. Where did "I would rather not see our rights as sportsmen and hunters get flushed with excessive gun laws like the Canadians have allowed to happen to them. " come from?
Posts: 210 | Location: Montana | Registered: 30 December 2001
I have a couple P&Y class columbia blacktails that I have NOT entered in any books. A friend of mine has a lot of P&Y and B&C class animals that have never been entered in anything. The reason? The second you enter an animal everyone start accusing you or being a poacher or unethical. It amazes me that if a guy dives off into a some hell canyon and gets a nice animal that takes 3 days to pack out, some fat road hunter accuses him of be a poacher.
Quote: I believe he also holds the worlds record for Coues Deer.
No longer. He did for several years with a buck he took here in AZ on the San Carlos Apache Reservation. There's no high fences there.
The current record, a 130 1/8-pt. buck killed by Sergio Orozco in 2001, graces the cover of HOW TO HUNT COUES DEER -- a 224-pg. book I wrote along with input from noted guide Duwane Adams. The story of Orozco's hunt is also inside the book. It's available at Tony Mandile's book -TONY
Posts: 3269 | Location: Glendale, AZ | Registered: 28 July 2003
I think again their is a slight difference between hunting a trophy animal and solely hunting record book animals to boost your name in the record books. I would rather not see our rights as sportsmen and hunters get flushed with excessive gun laws like the Canadians have allowed to happen to them.
CW, doin great, had a gun show and then trying to get ready for the work season. Things are sorta slow down on the gunsmithin forum so I thought maybe I could stir things up a bit here Shower schedule is next thursday
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
It's reality ChuckWagon deal with it. The issue here is that some people like to yip yap about circumstances they know absolutely nothing about. They also seem to want to state them as the facts, while hiding behind some "stage" name.
So all guides, paying clients, and outfitters degrade the sport?
Chuck
Posts: 2659 | Location: Southwestern Alberta | Registered: 08 March 2003
It's not my intent to "bad Mouth" any one. Except the Taxidermist mentioned. I think its great to get a trophy. I think its great he can hunt a lot and the best places. We all pay to hunt some place or some way. I know he has taken some nice animals on public including Bison. World Records, one after another gets a bit hard to swallow and in my opnion shifts the focus of our sport to a negative light. Their is more to hunting than breaking records.
Its funny you should mention yip yapping as your the one indicating you have some knowledge of this record, or at least a old photo. I expect you are the one that needs to "deal with" the fact that not every one worships trophy hunters.
, hunted this enclosure and filmed the event for television. The whole affair was sponsered by a rifle manufacturer, and the budget was $6500. So, this bushman gets into the blind and hunts over a food plot. Then a huge buck walks into the plot, and the bushman makes ready to shoot. But, the property owner taps the "hunter" on the shoulder and says that's an $8500 deer, you'll have to wait for another buck. So, they turn the camera off, and the bushman calls his sponsor on his cell phone. After a brief negotiation and a hardy "Thank You!", the camera is started back up and the bushman shoots the deer. It all looked good on television, but somehow the cell phone call didn't make it on the show.
