I went to Bass Pro last night because more of the American Pioneer powder finally came in. As I previously mentioned, I had excellent results with the 50cal/50grain sticks. As I'm checking out, I look at this mini-stand of the newest bottled Doe-Estrus "still standing" I think it's called from Code Blue. It's now available in what resembles little whisky bottles.

The price for a small quantity...perhaps one to two ounces???

$36.99

Please tell me that no one on earth would pay that kind of money for pee pee where there is NO proof that it is collected from one Doe that happens to be "still standing."

This kind of hype really gets me. I buy the REAL stuff from Doug at Buckeye Scents 75 miles north of me and get a 16 oz. bottle of "STILL FUMING" for $20. And I can water that down (like everything you buy at Cabela's or Bass Pro or Wal mart) with my reverse osmosis water and one bottle can last 3-4 seasons.

(I made the 'still fuming' up myself, but that pretty much sums up the stench).

Surely most hunters realize by now that these companies add other ingredients to this urine concoction, like ANISE oil or extract and the number 1 ingredient added....water.

Ever look at Tinks 69? See that rainbow of stuff floating at the surface? Think that's real 100% pee? NO. A couple of drops of Anise is in every bottle of Tinks 69----gauranteed, or your money back.

Deer are curious. You'd have just as much luck or better by dumping some real Vanilla on the ground or a drop of Anise on a stump (smells like licorice).

I'm in the wrong business.

Doc,

I understand your frustration over the ridiculous prices. I wouldn't buy the stuff, there's too many other brands that offer the same thing for much less $$$

However, Don't think that the scents don't work. I've killed several bucks over Tinks' #69 Original Formula. Some of them came running into a setup nose to the air and went directly to the scent bombs. I shot a nice 9pt just a couple of seasons back that came running into some 69 w/ nose held high and slammed on the brakes as he passed the first bomb well, the rest is history. I've had some young bucks come into it as well.

Tinks' has first class customer service as well. I emailed them w/ a problem (old scent that wasn't fresh that I bought) and the guy sent me 6 new bottles and three new scent bombs to my door for Free!

There's lots of guys that hunt around here that swear by Tinks. The guys I know that hunt in the Trophy Management clubs on the Miss River islands seem to get to see more action w/ it due to the competition the bucks have because of high Buck populations.

Here's a good account one of my good hunting buds told me this past season: He said he had forgot to put out his Tinks bombs before climbing into his stands so, he just opened the Tinks bottle and dropped a few drops on the leaves below. He had been watching some small bucks during the morning hunt when an 8pt came strolling through really close to his stand but, up wind. He said that buck got right close to his tree and looked up at him, he was busted and the deer spooked and ran. Well the buck ran in the down wind direction and as soon as he got down wind he slammed on the brakes and my bud said it was like he had a string tied around his neck and pulled him in. That buck walked up under that tree my bud was in w/ his nose held high and he made a big scrape right under the tree! How's that for good buck lure!

The key w/ Buck Lures is they have to be used at the right time of the season. I don't like to use any until the rut is in full swing. I use it in the post rut as well. If you use it at the wrong times it'll sure spook the deer.

Good Luck

Reloader

OH, I never said they didn't work. But like you, I dumped some regular Doe pee in a film canister bottled in early Oct last year, added a drop of Anise and watched the bucks come check it out just the same.

And everyone I've ever met that has used Tinks, always swears by it. I don't have a problem with that at all. What gets me is that folks think it's the urine. When it is really what is added to it...simple stuff you can buy at the market for .79 for 3 oz as opposed to 1 oz of "69" for $8.00.

I still have the bottle of Anise I bought about 15 years ago. One drop per hunt...that's all it takes.

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Originally posted by Doc:
... I buy the REAL stuff from Doug at Buckeye Scents 75 miles north of me and get a 16 oz. bottle of "STILL FUMING" for $20. ...

Hey Doc, We normally collect the urine from a couple of the early kills and mix them. They seem to do right well for us with no additional ingredients.

As the Season progresses, we try to get a couple of actual Does that are in Heat, especially if we notice them wetting a scrape. We try to make sure they don't have a Buck in sight at the moment by watching the way they are acting, but it is always difficult to convince yourself to drop one during that time period.

Eventually the Bucks start rolling into the Shed and there is plenty to collect.

Another option is to visit a local Processor where they also Skin and Gut Deer. The Skinners are always ready to provide all the Natural Urine you can haul off, especially if you help them out just a little.

Unfortunately in my area, anyone that will butcher a deer will only accept it already skinned. I have yet to find a full service processing place here where they'll take a field dressed deer only.

I think it merely reflects much of our society. "if it cost more, its got to be better". How many arguments in these rooms have you read where the loudest voice is the one sure that he has the best xxxx 'cause it cost more.
At that price, you certainly don't have to handle nearly as much pee to make a living as you would if you charged a reasonable price.

For the love of God, you'd think the manufactureres thought we were golfers....lol....."buy this club and you'll drive 150 yards further"... they sell the heck outa of them......

Wait till you start seeing Doe in Heat lure on infomercials....... remember the Banjo Minnow?.... ha ha ha

What is Anise?

Anise is an extract or oil found at the grocery store in the "seasonings" isle for food.

It smells just like licorice candy. A lot of bear guides use a drop on a baited barrel. It carries a long way and has a distinct smell.

I spoke with Terry Rohm or whatever his name is at Wellington Outdoors and he stated that Anise is in every bottle of Tinks 69. AND there's NO GAURANTEE that the doe pee is "doe in heat." That is a fact.

Think about it. How many deer farms and farmers would it take to supply every wal mart, Kmart, Cabela's, Bass Pro, Sportsman's Warehouse, and ALL of the other sporting goods stores Nationwide and Canada with DOE IN HEAT PEE EVERY YEAR??

IMPOSSIBLE. Plus, if you think for a moment that the bottle you JUST bought is fresh...think again. Most Tinks 69 you buy is a year or two old.

You can make your own "69" by buying regular doe pee and add a drop or 2 of Anise. But I never buy all that crap in the stores. Haven't bought that stuff in years.

Find a deer farmer in your area and go get the real fresh stuff. Or contact Doug at DOE PEE for REAL and tell him Derek sent you.

You're in KY, there is a deer farmer near the river, I think he's "Jackie's Deer Lures." He has over 85 deer. But he's real pricey.

That "Code Blue" isn't that sold refregerated?

The day I pay 36 bucks for pee!

I've had super luck with Pete Rickards, and its 6 bucks a bottle!

Well I just ordered some of that Tinks #69 based on what I read above, so wish me luck! I got it from LL Bean for $9.90 shipped. Sounds like good stuff...

Good luck! FWIW, you could have bought some regular doe pee, about 16oz for $25 shipped, and $1 for some Anise and made your own. Of course, now you'd have 16 oz of your own "69" instead of 1.

I wonder if Jagermeister would work, its an anise liquor.

Maybe the stag on the bottle would scare them though

Ha! I thought about Jagermiester as well. I have a supplier here that collets pee from the deer on his farm. You have to refrigerate it and if you smell it (or if the damn cap comes loose in your pack ) you have no dought that it is urine. Maybe I'll add some Anise to it this year and see what happens. Thanks Doc.

An interesting conjecture from my coyote trapping days. One of the best sets you could make was a scent post set using coyote urine taken from a dog coyote from a different range. Everybody, especially the Alpha males, had to come see who the new guy was.
Wouldn't a artificial scrape using urine from a strange buck be very attractive to other buck deer, especially the dominate ones???

I think it would be really ironic if we are spreading CWD all over the country with deer urine!

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Originally posted by iwzbeeman:
An interesting conjecture from my coyote trapping days. One of the best sets you could make was a scent post set using coyote urine taken from a dog coyote from a different range. Everybody, especially the Alpha males, had to come see who the new guy was.
Wouldn't a artificial scrape using urine from a strange buck be very attractive to other buck deer, especially the dominate ones???

Actually yes. There's a guy in Michigan that buys ONLY subordinate buck urine from Doug. And he always sends the pictures via email of his whopper buck he gets annually.

I tried it a couple of years ago and got a nice 148 class buck.

It gets even more ridiculous. Look at VS-1. Look at how much you get, and how much it costs!

I'm definitely in the wrong business.

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IMPOSSIBLE. Plus, if you think for a moment that the bottle you JUST bought is fresh...think again. Most Tinks 69 you buy is a year or two old.

You got that right! It doesn't smell the same either. If you open a bottle that's a few seasons old it really doesn't have the strong smell as it should. It's sad when you can tell that deer pee just doesn't smell right .

The Wal-marts around here usually get a pretty new batch due to the popularity of the stuff. I was really wondering how much of the old stuff would be on the shelves locally this year but, surprizingly it's all the new squirt top bottles that just came out this season.

Tinks had a much better product when it was in glass bottles which, was before they were bought out I'm told. It definitely would run all of the women folk out of the house back then. Now, it is a much more tame smell but, still works so, I'll keep using it during the rut.

Good Luck!

Reloader

Have used Tinks and other bottled urine with both good and bad results. Tinks had a few a quality control issues several years back but from what I understand their on the mend. Hunting buddy and I have tried it all, even using vanilla extract, again sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Prefer to buy mine somewhere besides Wallyworld (walmart) they have a tendancy to hang on to last years stuff..