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...one of these thermometers that you actually insert before the meat goes in the oven or on the grill andstays in place the whole time and has an alarm. By doing it before hand you get much more precise placement into the center of the meat.



and this cook book



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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I use a thermoprobe that is wireless and good up to 500 F. Just stick it in the meat and put it on the grill, smoker or oven. Download the app and you know the meat temp from anywhere in the area as long as you have Wi-Fi coverage. When you finish, you just clean the probe and put it back in the charger block, which is powered by AA batteries. Really works great for long cooks like brisket and pork butts.


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A cook game meat at least once a week.

I even serve mergansers to mix crowds they say do not like wild meat. They eat it up.

The keys are:
Number 1-Meat care. I know everyone talks about waiting hours before trailing. However, the longer you let an animal go hot and I cleaned you are asking for problems. Even “bad” shots can deliver good table fare as long as you get the animal clean. Get your meat cooled down and cleaned. If all you can do to cool down now is hide off, do it. Anything is better than nothing.
Use cold water to clean, then dry. Big part of meat care is not contaminating meat with glands or a life that might cut into gut/intestines. Same thing goes if you use a knife, saw, ax to cut through the spinal column like removing a head. Do this last, and do not use that blade for anything else. Why would one do this? Well, most western states require it as proof of sex, KY know does, or I have seen folks do it in commercial meat processing and them go right into using that blade on meat. Nope.

Number 2- Remove the “bad” On deer, elk, geese, groundhogs, merganser etc, even pigs- Remove fat, connective tissue, silver skin, and that film that looks like clear plastic. I even did this w the one bison someone had me cook. Of course, remove the bloodshot, bruised, broken bone.

Number 3-Brines are necessary to some smokes and pastramis. A good brine always helps at the margin. A bad brine is a death kiss. I like to use a little sea salt and cover w buttermilk for 2-4 days. You wash it off and dry. Every once in a while I will use herbs, a Cab, and sea salt for 1 day-Wash and dry before cooking.

Number 4-Shoot the best you can. A clean shot makes everything easier.

Number 5-Do not, Do not, Do not over cook. If you cannot eat rare/medium like a civilized person find the lowest temp you can. The Well Done burners do not get invited. I will give them meet, but the abominations they engage in are their business. I can’t do it.

Now, with bear, boar, and cougar (if you eat it). Yes, you must go the the Gov recommended temp. This is because these critters carry Trichinosis. Meatester guy gave himself and a guest Trichinosis with under cooked Black Bear. Freezing May kill it, but the Gov has never said this is effective. 165 degrees is mandatory. Domestic pork I will go to the 150s. That is bc Trichinosis has been virtually eliminated in commercial domestic pork production. That is me. You need not follow.

Number 5-Make sure when you go to cook your meat is dry and room temp before going to heat.

Number 6-When processing or butcher leave cuts as large as you can. Larger cuts are easier to work with and give more options. For example, leave back strap whole. When you want a steak cut what you need/want. Now, on the weekend you can do an amazing roast with the other portion, or smoke, or split and fill with spinach, good white cheese, maybe some ordered, tie and sear on grill. If you had cut it all into 1 inch steaks, you are very limited.

Sharp knives are your friend
When you cook make stages of prep. Everything is out and in its place. As you prep to pan you are moving in ann assembly line fashion. If you start cooking while Trying to work on things that make the cool, you are going to have a bad time.

A word on aging: I am feeding folks a 4 year old buck, killed actively engaged in tutting. It is pull your bite apart w a fork tender non-gamey. I can honestly saw I have never served a gamey buck. People talk about aging venison. I do not do this. Again, getting the meat cooled down and cleaned is number one. I do not have the facilities to do that and she. Also, aging is controlled rot. Do it wrong, and you are going to have spoiled game. All this folks I have had to diner, “Oh, I can’t eat venison it is gamey.” I have them try. Now, they call wanting to know when I am cooking venison. After they taste it the first time. I tell them as follows:

You order dry aged beef and spend 80 bucks right? The answer is yes. I then respond. All dry aging is is controlled rot to break down tissue. You know what that does. The answer is no. I finish, you are making your steak gamey.

I have shot deer on real cold days, skinned, gutted, and hung up in a barn with cavity open to come back the next day to cut up. A word on this, again real cold is the point. This sort hang is not long enough to be “aging.”

Now, I am sure I have made a lot of folks mad. You may begin to consume me.

If deer, elk, geese (yes Canada) ducks, doves, quail, pheasant, rabbits, etc did not taste so good. I would not full with it.

The worse thing that ever happened to ducks and geese is I learned how to cook them.
 
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What do you do to take the inevitable "dryness" out of wild game.


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You don't over cook it. Do not cook past medium rare. I pull my venison (meaning deer. elk moose, and antelope) at 127 degrees.

Also, you use a "reverse sear" on thick roasts. Cook to about 107 deg @ 350 then pull meat out of the oven, crank the oven to 450 deg then put back in until you hit 127 then pull out.

You need to let it sit for at least 15 mins so the juices re-consititute before you carve.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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A cook game meat at least once a week.

I even serve mergansers to mix crowds they say do not like wild meat. They eat it up.

The keys are:
Number 1-Meat care. I know everyone talks about waiting hours before trailing. However, the longer you let an animal go hot and I cleaned you are asking for problems. Even “bad” shots can deliver good table fare as long as you get the animal clean. Get your meat cooled down and cleaned. If all you can do to cool down now is hide off, do it. Anything is better than nothing.
Use cold water to clean, then dry. Big part of meat care is not contaminating meat with glands or a life that might cut into gut/intestines. Same thing goes if you use a knife, saw, ax to cut through the spinal column like removing a head. Do this last, and do not use that blade for anything else. Why would one do this? Well, most western states require it as proof of sex, KY know does, or I have seen folks do it in commercial meat processing and them go right into using that blade on meat. Nope.

Number 2- Remove the “bad” On deer, elk, geese, groundhogs, merganser etc, even pigs- Remove fat, connective tissue, silver skin, and that film that looks like clear plastic. I even did this w the one bison someone had me cook. Of course, remove the bloodshot, bruised, broken bone.

Number 3-Brines are necessary to some smokes and pastramis. A good brine always helps at the margin. A bad brine is a death kiss. I like to use a little sea salt and cover w buttermilk for 2-4 days. You wash it off and dry. Every once in a while I will use herbs, a Cab, and sea salt for 1 day-Wash and dry before cooking.

Number 4-Shoot the best you can. A clean shot makes everything easier.

Number 5-Do not, Do not, Do not over cook. If you cannot eat rare/medium like a civilized person find the lowest temp you can. The Well Done burners do not get invited. I will give them meet, but the abominations they engage in are their business. I can’t do it.

Now, with bear, boar, and cougar (if you eat it). Yes, you must go the the Gov recommended temp. This is because these critters carry Trichinosis. Meatester guy gave himself and a guest Trichinosis with under cooked Black Bear. Freezing May kill it, but the Gov has never said this is effective. 165 degrees is mandatory. Domestic pork I will go to the 150s. That is bc Trichinosis has been virtually eliminated in commercial domestic pork production. That is me. You need not follow.

Number 5-Make sure when you go to cook your meat is dry and room temp before going to heat.

Number 6-When processing or butcher leave cuts as large as you can. Larger cuts are easier to work with and give more options. For example, leave back strap whole. When you want a steak cut what you need/want. Now, on the weekend you can do an amazing roast with the other portion, or smoke, or split and fill with spinach, good white cheese, maybe some ordered, tie and sear on grill. If you had cut it all into 1 inch steaks, you are very limited.

Sharp knives are your friend
When you cook make stages of prep. Everything is out and in its place. As you prep to pan you are moving in ann assembly line fashion. If you start cooking while Trying to work on things that make the cool, you are going to have a bad time.

A word on aging: I am feeding folks a 4 year old buck, killed actively engaged in tutting. It is pull your bite apart w a fork tender non-gamey. I can honestly saw I have never served a gamey buck. People talk about aging venison. I do not do this. Again, getting the meat cooled down and cleaned is number one. I do not have the facilities to do that and she. Also, aging is controlled rot. Do it wrong, and you are going to have spoiled game. All this folks I have had to diner, “Oh, I can’t eat venison it is gamey.” I have them try. Now, they call wanting to know when I am cooking venison. After they taste it the first time. I tell them as follows:

You order dry aged beef and spend 80 bucks right? The answer is yes. I then respond. All dry aging is is controlled rot to break down tissue. You know what that does. The answer is no. I finish, you are making your steak gamey.

I have shot deer on real cold days, skinned, gutted, and hung up in a barn with cavity open to come back the next day to cut up. A word on this, again real cold is the point. This sort hang is not long enough to be “aging.”

Now, I am sure I have made a lot of folks mad. You may begin to consume me.

If deer, elk, geese (yes Canada) ducks, doves, quail, pheasant, rabbits, etc did not taste so good. I would not full with it.

The worse thing that ever happened to ducks and geese is I learned how to cook them.


Excellent advice and information!!

Only have comment - OK.. RANT.. (which I know will set off a firestorm):

Why the constant comments from everyone that those of us that like our meat medium well to well done are not "civilized"?? My son and I both happen to like our meat with little or no pink - always have, and always will. It is not any aversion to blood or anything - we both feel it simply tastes better. I'll eat rare meat if I have to but to me its just does not taste as good.

We routinely cook both game meat and the best Angus cuts we can buy and we cook it medium well. If someone is visiting and wants theirs rare, we will cook it that way - and without any snarky comments... But every time I ask for a medium well or well done steak people look at me like I have 4 eyes.. I even had a waiter at a fine dining establishment tell me they do not cook meat well done - I got up and took my party elsewhere..

We can cook any piece of meat to a medium well state without it being dry or "burnt".. just takes preparation...


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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A cook game meat at least once a week.

I even serve mergansers to mix crowds they say do not like wild meat. They eat it up.

The keys are:
Number 1-Meat care. I know everyone talks about waiting hours before trailing. However, the longer you let an animal go hot and I cleaned you are asking for problems. Even “bad” shots can deliver good table fare as long as you get the animal clean. Get your meat cooled down and cleaned. If all you can do to cool down now is hide off, do it. Anything is better than nothing.
Use cold water to clean, then dry. Big part of meat care is not contaminating meat with glands or a life that might cut into gut/intestines. Same thing goes if you use a knife, saw, ax to cut through the spinal column like removing a head. Do this last, and do not use that blade for anything else. Why would one do this? Well, most western states require it as proof of sex, KY know does, or I have seen folks do it in commercial meat processing and them go right into using that blade on meat. Nope.

Number 2- Remove the “bad” On deer, elk, geese, groundhogs, merganser etc, even pigs- Remove fat, connective tissue, silver skin, and that film that looks like clear plastic. I even did this w the one bison someone had me cook. Of course, remove the bloodshot, bruised, broken bone.

Number 3-Brines are necessary to some smokes and pastramis. A good brine always helps at the margin. A bad brine is a death kiss. I like to use a little sea salt and cover w buttermilk for 2-4 days. You wash it off and dry. Every once in a while I will use herbs, a Cab, and sea salt for 1 day-Wash and dry before cooking.

Number 4-Shoot the best you can. A clean shot makes everything easier.

Number 5-Do not, Do not, Do not over cook. If you cannot eat rare/medium like a civilized person find the lowest temp you can. The Well Done burners do not get invited. I will give them meet, but the abominations they engage in are their business. I can’t do it.

Now, with bear, boar, and cougar (if you eat it). Yes, you must go the the Gov recommended temp. This is because these critters carry Trichinosis. Meatester guy gave himself and a guest Trichinosis with under cooked Black Bear. Freezing May kill it, but the Gov has never said this is effective. 165 degrees is mandatory. Domestic pork I will go to the 150s. That is bc Trichinosis has been virtually eliminated in commercial domestic pork production. That is me. You need not follow.

Number 5-Make sure when you go to cook your meat is dry and room temp before going to heat.

Number 6-When processing or butcher leave cuts as large as you can. Larger cuts are easier to work with and give more options. For example, leave back strap whole. When you want a steak cut what you need/want. Now, on the weekend you can do an amazing roast with the other portion, or smoke, or split and fill with spinach, good white cheese, maybe some ordered, tie and sear on grill. If you had cut it all into 1 inch steaks, you are very limited.

Sharp knives are your friend
When you cook make stages of prep. Everything is out and in its place. As you prep to pan you are moving in ann assembly line fashion. If you start cooking while Trying to work on things that make the cool, you are going to have a bad time.

A word on aging: I am feeding folks a 4 year old buck, killed actively engaged in tutting. It is pull your bite apart w a fork tender non-gamey. I can honestly saw I have never served a gamey buck. People talk about aging venison. I do not do this. Again, getting the meat cooled down and cleaned is number one. I do not have the facilities to do that and she. Also, aging is controlled rot. Do it wrong, and you are going to have spoiled game. All this folks I have had to diner, “Oh, I can’t eat venison it is gamey.” I have them try. Now, they call wanting to know when I am cooking venison. After they taste it the first time. I tell them as follows:

You order dry aged beef and spend 80 bucks right? The answer is yes. I then respond. All dry aging is is controlled rot to break down tissue. You know what that does. The answer is no. I finish, you are making your steak gamey.

I have shot deer on real cold days, skinned, gutted, and hung up in a barn with cavity open to come back the next day to cut up. A word on this, again real cold is the point. This sort hang is not long enough to be “aging.”

Now, I am sure I have made a lot of folks mad. You may begin to consume me.

If deer, elk, geese (yes Canada) ducks, doves, quail, pheasant, rabbits, etc did not taste so good. I would not full with it.

The worse thing that ever happened to ducks and geese is I learned how to cook them.


Excellent advice and information!!

Only have comment - OK.. RANT.. (which I know will set off a firestorm):

Why the constant comments from everyone that those of us that like our meat medium well to well done are not "civilized"?? My son and I both happen to like our meat with little or no pink - always have, and always will. It is not any aversion to blood or anything - we both feel it simply tastes better. I'll eat rare meat if I have to but to me its just does not taste as good.

We routinely cook both game meat and the best Angus cuts we can buy and we cook it medium well. If someone is visiting and wants theirs rare, we will cook it that way - and without any snarky comments... But every time I ask for a medium well or well done steak people look at me like I have 4 eyes.. I even had a waiter at a fine dining establishment tell me they do not cook meat well done - I got up and took my party elsewhere..

We can cook any piece of meat to a medium well state without it being dry or "burnt".. just takes preparation...




You are not alone. I like raw meat, as in carpaccio - pounded flat, drizzled with olive oil, flaked with shaved Parmesan cheese and sprinkled with cracked black pepper and salt. BUT - my all-time favorite cooking method with larger cuts is braising. I find 'blue' steaks that are cooked on the outside and raw in the middle too schizophrenic.

Meat is often tough because it's not cooked long enough to break down the connective tissue into collagen. Just because you like meat rare doesn't mean all cuts will be tender when cooked to rare. There is a spectrum of connective tissue in the different cuts of an animal - the more use the muscles get, the more connective tissue = cook them longer and LOWER. That tissue will soften and the muscle fibers will come apart easily.

A bunch of years age a friend gave us some elk steaks (cut off the back leg). My wife cooked them to medium and when she took a taste is was tough as leather. She said well I guess I ruined those. I said put them back in the pan, add some stock 3/4 the way up them and let them simmer. Eventually they were fork tender.

For the record the best steak I've ever had was boran cattle on ol pejeta. It was cooked at least medium. Delicious.
 
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I cook my elk meat at medium and enjoy it. It's all about personal preference.

I have argued with people about how I did not care for one particular game meat and they
were insistent it was a result of "I did not know how to cook it".

Beef will always be my favorite with elk not too far behind. However, that is a bit off topic Smiler
 
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Venison is great as a kebob. I use the 'football' roast specific for this. I cut this muscle into chunks, then marinade all day. Get the skewers out, stick the chunks with your choice of vegetables to roast on your grill.

I like to sprinkle some Cavender's on for seasoning.


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Elk meat is great, they're grass feeders. Deer, shoot them in a wheat or corn field and they're even better Smiler


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I have discovered that I dislike Desert game, with a few small game exceptions. Deer taken in the high country always tastes better, I am convinced of it. But I suspect it may be a regional thing. My theory is two things contribute to "gamey" tasting meat. 1- the local herbivore diet. 2- The regional temperatures.

The last couple of Desert deer I killed were nasty tasting with the exception of a few cuts. The high country bucks are the polar opposite. I dont think it is coincidence.

As for cooking, yes. I like mine cooked thanks. There are many ways to do so and make it delicious. A family favorite is Venison chili Verde. In the slow cooker for several hours.
For a delicious Roast, add a few Bacon strips, a turnip and a couple bay leafs. Low and slow is the way to go. If your roasts are too dry try it in a "Brownin bag".



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I was raised on Mule deer, coues deer, Whitetail deer, Spanish goat, its all good and I agree that diet and condition of the animal is primary. a good rain year is important a warm winter is helpful up North, Don't shoot a rutting buck. A fine lady cook with a ranching background is a great requirement. Desert deer are better than alfalfa field deer when fed on sotol and/or pinions. Cut off silver skin and all fat. Whitetail are better than Mule deer as a rule.

I like deer chicken fried, pinto beans,pico de gallo, biscuits and white gravey and vegs to suit like fried Okra.

who likes Javalina and pronghorn, therein lies the challenge.

I agree with most of what Ive read here, but it comes with a table spoon of hogwash!!


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Thank you for the tips. The only thing I do to increse the quality of the meal is pick a young female instead of an old bull if the game is tablefare vs a head for the wall. It is always tablefare for me.
 
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I have discovered that I dislike Desert game, with a few small game exceptions. Deer taken in the high country always tastes better, I am convinced of it. But I suspect it may be a regional thing. My theory is two things contribute to "gamey" tasting meat. 1- the local herbivore diet. 2- The regional temperatures.

The last couple of Desert deer I killed were nasty tasting with the exception of a few cuts. The high country bucks are the polar opposite. I dont think it is coincidence.

As for cooking, yes. I like mine cooked thanks. There are many ways to do so and make it delicious. A family favorite is Venison chili Verde. In the slow cooker for several hours.
For a delicious Roast, add a few Bacon strips, a turnip and a couple bay leafs. Low and slow is the way to go. If your roasts are too dry try it in a "Brownin bag".


This is interesting to me. I have hunted the southern NM desert for mule deer for the past 15 years and killed 6-8 bucks, mostly older. Not a one has been "gamey" to me. In fact, the old guy I killed in 2008 was by far the best tasting muley I've ever eaten. He was better than most of the cow elk I have eaten. I'm sure these guys don't have the best diet, as we only get about 8-10 inches of rain per year, mostly in July and August. We can months without moisture, so their graze/browse has to be pretty low quality for much of the year. Despite that, they're still darn good on the plate!

I'm a steak and ground guy. If it's not a good steak, it'll go into the grind pile and get turned into burger. I'm with Mike - steaks are cooked hot and fast on the grill and eaten rare to medium rare.


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who likes Javalina and pronghorn, therein lies the challenge.
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I like pronghorn very much. I believe the key to a good tasting pronghorn is quickly quartering and cooling the meat. If you want to drive around in 80+ degree heat with your goat cooking in the back of your truck so you can show your pals, that meat is going to suck. My goal with pronghorn is to have the quarters on ice within two hours of death, if not sooner. When I stick to that, my pronghorn steaks are fantastic.

Javelina? Meh. I'll eat it, but it's way down the list. The last one I killed got turned into chorizo. I cut in some pork fat and doubled the amount of seasoning recommended and that javelina became pretty good breakfast burritos.


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Dont underestimate the desert when it comes to graze or browse, in South Texas or Mew Mexico/ In november Ive cut 6 inches of fat out of the hip..black Grammar grass, sotol, and a number of other plants, and the cattle always look good when we get 9"s or rain, sometimes a bit more..If those NM deer are thin, your hunting in drouth or rut, Ive hunted and ranched North of El Paso to Ruidoso
as far North as Santa Fe many times..

Javalina in So. Texas fair much better than in SW Texas/ a young one over mesuite coals is decent eating..Had lots of antelope on my ranch and never did much care for it, looks more like horse meat, but we had a lot of Coues deer so maybe we just got picky,


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Guys,

I'll have to disagree on some blanket statements made on this thread. There no need to remove all the fat from moose or caribou. Sadie and I have ground many pounds of it into my mooboo burger. No need for pork etc. In 60 degree weather you can let meat hang for a week or so as it will only gets more tender. The outside might look a little funky but a sharp filet knife will take care of that.

As for cooking, when in doubt about what to do with a chunk of meat pot roast it low and slow. It will fall apart. Steak I agree should be cooked no more than medium rare.

Finally pronghorn to me is the 2nd best wild meat with Dall sheep being 1st in my book.

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