This is an exit hole on a nice 8point taken by another member of this forum.....Bullet was a 168gr 7mm at 75 yard's...

Boyd I didn't know match kings would work so close up I am surprise that it even made it through first skin. All the deer I have shot with 180 gr 30 cal mks look about the same. But then I thought that they did not expand and that they are not a expanding bullet. When well the doubters learn.

I'll not get in to the Matchking debate.

But If you guys think that is a perfect exit wound, then I see why we don't choose the same bullets for Big Game hunting!

Regards

Mads

Nothing interesting about that exit wound. Was that shot at a 90 deg angle?
Take care
smallfry

Boyd, you evil, evil man. You brought back the MK topic!
Death must have been swift, but glad he didn't ruin the whole shoulder, like a friend did with a Nozler BT at close range this year.

Mads What would be a good exit wound at 75 yards most bullets leave good size holes going out. Do you need bigger or smaller. Is there to much or to little damage in your opinion.

P Dog shooter - That exit wound is way to big for my tast on such a big animal as a whittail!

As John states it was lucky that it didn't take out the hole off shoulder.

I like controlled exspanding bullets. And therefore I choose one of them when I go hunting.

If you think that 75 yards is a close shot - well I don't agree. Here in Denmark most shots are less than 75 yards. Bullet performance like the one shown on the deer, will take out most of the meat on the off side on a roe deer which is the most common "bi game" here in Denmark.

Regards

Mads

Ballistic Tips will give you the same exit wound. Sometimes. Other times, they'll 'pencil' on through. Other times, they'll blow up on the near shoulder.

So what?

George

Posted by George S:

Ballistic Tips will give you the same exit wound. Sometimes. Other times, they'll 'pencil' on through. Other times, they'll blow up on the near shoulder.

So what?

My answer:

Don't use Ballistic Tips!

OK any bullet will fail or misbehave every now and then, but I choose the bullet that gives my the biggest confidens in my rifle - and it isn't MatchKing nor Ballistic Tips

Regards

Mads

GeorgeS,

I have shot a truck full of deer, and also much larger and smaller game, with BT's for years and have never experienced a BT 'pencil through' a deer ! Hell, I never even heard of it until now. I still firmly believe that the Nosler Ballistic Tip is THE whitetail bullet!!! I would really like to see the evidence of a BT pencil through a deer.

TXPO,

I have had several BTs pencil through Texas deer. In 1994, while culling does (whitetail, fallow, and sika) on the Y-O Ranch, I, and several other hunters, had a number of Ballistic Tip bullets fail to expand.
There were 6.5mm (2200fps) and .30(2400fps) caliber holes on both sides of the deer. These were on behind-the-shoulder shots which apparently did not hit any ribs.

I still use BTs on varmints and pronghorns, but I no longer use them on anything larger and heavier.

George

last month I was hunting goats with a buddy. He was using matchkings in his .308 win. Shot a goat - he ran as untouched for some 500 yds and standed looking at us. We stalked to about 120 yds and my friend shot again. This time he just walked away, looking uninterested on us. The rifle was offered to me to try a shot. I hit him in the neck, and he was poleaxed. The neck exit wound was just like the whitetail picture. But the goat had been hit twice in the chest cavity. no expansion at all, orifices of entrance and exit undistinguishable. Conclusions up to you, wise gentlemen.

Here's some MK's that were shot into Wet phone book test medium and recovered. This article appeared in Handloader #193. This type of performance is pathetic compared to those bullets designed for hunting. I'll let the pictures do the talking.

Dang !
You could sling a dead cat thru that hole !

I like to eat my deer. Think I'll stick with game kings.

Mads I belive roe deer are a lot smaller then are whitetails the avg weight in Wis is around 130 lbs some bigger some smaller. No 75 yards is about avg here. I shot them at feet and yards. I just got done shooting 3 of them with rem 165 core locks at 2400 any where from about 50 yards to 120 yards the 165 gr core locks left about as big as exit wound as that. I have shot them with all makes and kinds of bullets any rifle with over about 2400 feet second with a good expanding bullet with leave good size exit holes. If you don't want a exit hole use a good fast expanding bulllet like a 125 gr 30 cal. they go in and mush every thing in side.Push them fast enough they don't come out.

Boyd-
I am just curious as to why there is digital manipulation (retouching) around the exit? PErhaps too gory??? Just curious...

Bobby,there is'nt.......

Ahh....then there must have either been something between the subject and lens (rain drops could cause this effect quite easily) or dust, etc. directly on the lens. If you look closely, you see a "softness" in the upper portion of the wound area and in a couple of other spots on the deer.

I'll pull it up in Photoshop later on and take a closer look to see if I can identify the exact cause of the degradation of detail.

I take it the load used was your 7 STW ? No surprise. BTW, the wound looks authentic to me.
I once saw a buck, like this one, knocked flat by a .220 Swift factory load at 300 yds. Bullet landed too high to break the spine. The buck needed a finisher, but couldn't regain his feet. This proves the factory Swift is a first class deer load ?
Shooting standing, undistrubed deer, with big magnums, is one thing. Shooting elk class stuff is another. And shooting them in heavy cover, particularly when moving and alarmed, is quite another. E

Boyd - Better give him another finishing shot with a 'hunting' style bullet. Might not be dead yet I have some Partitions I can send down.

You guys get much snow down thataway out of today's (Thursday) storm? Got about 8" here in the mtns.

R-WEST

E....It was a 280 Rem.....R-West we got 8" on my picnic table...

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Hey Bobby, while you have it in photoshop, repair that exit wound and post it back on here. It would be funny to heal the deer LOL.

And again:



Sorry, no gory photos (it was dark before I even started dressing the thing).

240 SMK from my 300 RUM at an amazing 15 yds! I didn't even use the bipod!

He was broadside, the bullet entered low pulverizing the on-side shoulder, made mincemeat of the vitals and exited his armpit leaving a hole about 3" in diameter (he was taking a step).

Hey Bobby, this one expanded!

Nice buck Jon.....My Father-in-Law shot a buck at 640 yard's with my Ultra shooting the 240's.And the same thing happened.Little hole going in BIG HOLE coming out....I guess that one x-panded too....

Nice, buck, Jon. But are you sure the bullet actually killed it or was it the tremendous concussion from that big magnum <grin>?

All kidding aside, that is a really nice deer....

Thanks guys.

You're right Bobby, had the bullet failed I think my muzzle flash would have cooked him where he stood anyway. Ya gotta love 99 grains of H870!

Nice buck!! So much for long rangers not being able to get close I am surpized that you could even find heart to shoot him that close. You even say he was killed with a match king that didn't blow up at 15 yards horrors. Thats just plain unbelivebly