Maybe it's just me, but it seems that more and more I find posts being "hijacked" or "taken off topic" to the detriment of the original poster (OP). The OP posts here looking for information, input, advice or opinions RELATED TO THE SUBJECT. If you can't offer such RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, you are free to open another post yourself to debate non-related issues or send someone a PM if you have a real issue with them.

Most recently, a post about where to hunt a "big buck" got turned into a post about "high fence / low fence" and other issues that had nothing to do with the topic. Another fiasco was one in the Classifieds that got completely carried away. It started with good intentions, but it degraded into multiple personal attacks and namecalling that had nothing to do with the subject and contributed nothing to the discussion.

I have come to find AR a valuable place to find good information, opinions, advice and feedback, but this unnecessary fluff getting added to posts is something I can do without.

That's my two cents. Be safe and good luck this season.

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Originally posted by erict:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that more and more I find posts being "hijacked" or "taken off topic" to the detriment of the original poster (OP). The OP posts here looking for information, input, advice or opinions RELATED TO THE SUBJECT. If you can't offer such RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, you are free to open another post yourself to debate non-related issues or send someone a PM if you have a real issue with them.
...... it degraded into multiple personal attacks and namecalling that had nothing to do with the subject and contributed nothing to the discussion.
...

This is becoming more common on all the forums, not just AR. Some people just figure that since they are anomynous, they can say and do things on the 'net that they would never do in person. Sad indication of the state of our culture.

Unfortunately, the Internet is assumed by many to be their personal pulpit...

I always like to say...ATFQ...that would me Answer The F**king Question

I can't tell you how annoying it is to me when someone posts

"I was going to use a 270 with barnes 150 grn TSXs for a drop camp moose hunt as I am on limited funds and can't afford another rifle. Does anybody have a favorite load?"


Of course 2/3rds of the posts that follow tell the guy that for $500 he should buy a 30 caliber magnum...

How annoying...

For a while, I would track threads to see how many posts it took to have the thread sidetracked, and off into never-never land, and never to retuen to the subject of the thread.
Generally speaking, after thrre replies, the thread would go to hell in a handbasket.
As Mike said, Internet Forums are a place for would be preachers to boast about their exploits, with no regard, or respect for the initial poster's question, or point he wanted to make.
Sad,

Don

.........since you brought up high fences, I think they.......

I couldn't resist........we are all frustrated by this, but the folks that do it don't care and won't change.

Bob

erict,

You are right. I am partially responsible for the "hijacking" of Reloader's thread recently. I want to apologize to Reloader. It is just so damned frustrating when people won't use their brains (in this case, it is an AR member whose name I will not mention, but I'm sure many of you know who I am referring to). Once again, sorry for the hijack. From now on, I will try to open my own thread for that sort of thing.

Good post ES.......you and Bobby aren't the ones that started the slippery slope.....but you did get sucked in.

Good Hunting,

Bob

I'd say it depends.

What is the twist rate in that .270?

I'd go with the 130 grain partition.

Yea, no rational thoughts or difference in opinions allowed. Answer the dumb question about which bullet to use or where to go to kill the biggest shrew and go back to being an thoughless invalid.

MG

MG,

It's called respect. If you want to say something off topic...have the initiative to start your own posts.

matchkings are not hunting bullets.

BTW this whole thread belongs in miscellaneous topics.

Oh, bull manure, most of the time, even the silliest of questions gets answered, deservedly or not. If we all stuck to one topic in our conversations, we'd never get past "Hi, How are You?"

We don't (or at least most of us don't, unless you're an engineer) think or talk only in straight lines and asking for that on a forum goes against human nature.

erect: I'm one of the "guilty" ones on the thread that you refer to. I have 2 questions:

1) What is wrong with letting a conversation "wander" (expand?) to other topics. When sitting around a campfire, do you act as the "topic police" and insist that the conversation remain on only one topic?

2) Why is this thread posted under "American Big Game Hunting"?

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Originally posted by Madgoat:
Yea, no rational thoughts or difference in opinions allowed. Answer the dumb question about which bullet to use or where to go to kill the biggest shrew and go back to being an thoughless invalid.

MG

Here's my biggest shrew:

Simple Request:

If straying off the topic bothers you, stay off the intraweb!

Sorry, but that is the nature of the beast!

Since the subject is shrews, the biggest would be my ex-wife. Couldn't resist. (And I normally do)

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Oh, bull manure, most of the time, even the silliest of questions gets answered, deservedly or not. If we all stuck to one topic in our conversations, we'd never get past "Hi, How are You?"

We don't (or at least most of us don't, unless you're an engineer) think or talk only in straight lines and asking for that on a forum goes against human nature.

hitler, stalin, abu musab al-zarqawi and judas iscariot must be handing out ice skates or hauling a tobaggon up to the top of some hill in hell.....

My opinion is that the threads posted on this site are CATEGORIZED so that someone looking for information on a specific subject can quickly get to the point. Once into a category, I note that there is a column labelled "Topic". This indicates to me that if a topic is "Colorado Elk Hunt tips" it is about that, if it's "Maine black bears", I'll be able to read about that. I have no use for posts in a thread that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC. I am all for agreements, compliments, disagreements, opinions, constructive criticism, tips, etc., as long as they relate. If all the TOPICS end up being nothing more that an assemblage of random comments then all of the topics might as well be named "Stuff" or "Huntin'".

Perhaps this is all because I use these posts more for reference material and less as a place to engage in casual wandering conversation. If that's your interest, then so be it. Once a post gets overly "hijacked" or taken "off topic" for too long it becomes a chore to sort through the fluff. It's twice as bad if it becomes a back-and-forth debate over unrelated stuff, and three times as bad once the name calling and personal attacks fly.

In the end, you will all do as you choose. Human nature is to take the easier path, and it's easier to post a reply than open a new TOPIC.

PS - this is posted in the American Big Game because:
1. The posts here will likely get busy as the big game seasons countrywide get in to full swing,
2. I read a lot of posts here and saw an amount of off topic posts,
3. I figured it might do the most good here.

I normally just lurk here, but this thread just got me lurchin' and snappin'. Hmmm..... What was the topic of this thread? One of you experts will tell me, I'm sure. Hey, did I ever tell you about the time...........What?!?!?Hijack a thread? Never!

Idjit, so you hijack a whole forum to get your twinky little idea acrost??? I sometimes get more info from the "flow of conciousness" info than from the original question.

Call the Waaaaaaaaambulance.

I don't want to filter fluff...waaa
I want to control what you say and you won't let me....waaaa
I can't find the Miscellaneous section...waaaa

Or maybe it really is about the shrews...the taming of the shrews.

Post a specific question, you get some specific answers. The rest you just filter out, so what.

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Originally posted by erect:

Perhaps this is all because.........

perhaps it is because you are a closet fascist......

quote:

Originally posted by Bob in TX:
.........since you brought up high fences, I think they.......

I couldn't resist........, but the folks that do it don't care and won't change.

Bob

What if it is a short fence in the mountains of wyoming and he was just pushing the ewe through.

there you go again....getting off topic. Poor ol' erict, he just can't keep us on topic. We must all be ADD.

I subtract sometimes too.

And, once, I multiplied!

BBBrucie is a liberal pig.
what was the subject?

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[Origin: 1275–1325; (adj.) < L subjectus placed beneath, inferior, open to inspection, orig. ptp. of subicere to throw or place beneath, make subject, equiv. to sub- sub- + -jec-, comb. form of jacere to throw + -tus ptp. suffix; r. ME suget < OF < L, as above; (n.) < LL subjectum grammatical or dialectical subject, n. use of neut. of subjectus; r. ME suget, as above; (v.) < L subjectÄre, freq. of subicere; r. ME suget(t)en < OF sugetter < L, as above]

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—Synonyms 1, 4. Subject, theme, topic are often interchangeable to express the material being considered in a speech or written composition. Subject is a broad word for whatever is treated in writing, speech, art, etc.: the subject for discussion. Theme and topic are usually narrower and apply to some limited or specific part of a general subject. A theme is often the underlying conception of a discourse or composition, perhaps not put into words but easily recognizable: The theme of a need for reform runs throughout her work. A topic is the statement of what is to be treated in a section of a composition: The topic is treated fully in this section. 3. reason, rationale. 17. subordinate, subservient. 20. contingent.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LRH270:
I'd say it depends.

Poor guy has to use Depends.
Must be rough in deer camp.

LRH270. I'm lost on the "four" subjects of Sweden. I speak pretty good "sweglish" if that matters. Now, back to the "subject".....

The history of human civilization is the sad epic of an attempt to create order out of chaos.

In the end, entropy will win.

flaco

quote:

Originally posted by erict:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that more and more I find posts being "hijacked" or "taken off topic" to the detriment of the original poster (OP). The OP posts here looking for information, input, advice or opinions RELATED TO THE SUBJECT. If you can't offer such RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, you are free to open another post yourself to debate non-related issues or send someone a PM if you have a real issue with them.

Hey Erict, Everything you mention is True. But the real value of this site is the genuine First-Hand Experience Base of folks who contribute here and the "Free Flowing Nature" of the discussions. Yes, there are some strong opinions and yes things do occasionally get skewed a bit.

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Most recently, a post about where to hunt a "big buck" got turned into a post about "high fence / low fence" and other issues that had nothing to do with the topic.

Did you notice that the guy that started the thread(Reloader) did not get upset with the sideways discussions. I'd guess he just laughed about it and read on.

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I have come to find AR a valuable place to find good information, opinions, advice and feedback, but this unnecessary fluff getting added to posts is something I can do without. (EDIT IN: from Erict's secong post.) I use these posts more for reference material and less as a place to engage in casual wandering conversation. If that's your interest, then so be it. Once a post gets overly "hijacked" or taken "off topic" for too long it becomes a chore to sort through the fluff. It's twice as bad if it becomes a back-and-forth debate over unrelated stuff, and three times as bad once the name calling and personal attacks fly. ...

You explained your thoughts very clearly and why it has bothered you. I can understand.

On the other hand, I prefer "most" of the random Secondary Discussions that remain civil. People are free to contribute a thought without being concerned some heavy-handed thought-police will delete or "modify" it. I've been trying to think of the name of a Site I used to visit many years ago. It had basically Black Banners with Red Lettering and it seemed to be leaning a bit toward Military Firearms in the most frequented Boards. For some reason I believe it was based in NY, but that could be all wrong.

Anyway, they also had a Hunting and a Reloading Board that I enjoyed. Every once in awhile someone would mention "their post" had changed and they had not changed it. Couldn't figure it out, but I did notice those people rarely posted again.

I got into a discussion about Round Nose Bullets with some folks where there was the typical mix of "I like `um." and "I hate `um." posters. I asked a few questions to a couple of the most ardent HATERS about how many they had used and at what distances. And they weasel-worded their responses about how many they had actually used. Huuummm. I suspected they had never used any and asked that - "Have you actually used any RNs or are you talking about something where you really have NO First-Hand Experience?"

Got an email from a Moderator that he did not like the Tone of my post. I ignored it and went back to the site. When I got there, apparently the Moderator had gone in and changed my question. Needless to say I was not pleased. Just happened to dawn on me that I could still "Edit" the post he had modified. Went in and changed it back, plus added a bit of Moderator Bashing.

Got a real Terse email that I could be Banned from the Board "For changing what he had changed!".

Back to the Board and I believe I just erased all of my posts on the thread and replaced them with a ( . ). Got ANOTHER email from the same Fool. Something about "I should not have done that, because there was a lot of good information in what I had erased." I did send him back a "Feel free to Drop Dead as well as the Board you rode in on!" email and never bothered to go back.

The point of the above is..., there are Boards out there that are run just as you would prefer them. Very strict, no room for anything outside the Topic of the Thread, and for sure NO DISAGREEMENTS!!! I'm not encouraging you to leave AR, just saying there is room for both kinds of Boards. I really prefer this kind where there is a bit of skew to the discussions.

Best of luck to you.