xmas eve 2008,5 wolves rolled thru a friends herd of registered angus killing 2 and tearing 2 more up so bad they had to be shot.
feds killed 2 of the 5 wolves. tracks showed all 5 wolves involved in attack.
don't understand why only 2 of 5 killed.

Ain't it wonderful? And not a damn thing can be done except let it happen, and plead your case with the USF&W! Wolves! Government sponsored terrorists!

all the more reason for s-s-s.

Instead of bitching, maybe convince our legislature to come up with a common sence plan to get them delisted. At the rate we are going, we will just "fight" the feds for the rest of our lives. They could get a clue from Idaho and Montana, but are too proud of themselves to do that. Our legislature is a joke. As for the cows that got killed the rancher likely got a pretty significant damage payment, so I'm sure he's happy too. He just won't admit it. And please don't call me a wolf loving liberal.

We have people in our society who knowingly, willfully, and with malice of forethought, introduced one species of animals into our habitat so that species could kill other domestic, and wildlife species. I'm talking about the deliberate introduction of wolves into our habitat. Wolves have only ONE function in life; killing other animals, and humans if they had the opportunity. Wolves provide no positive benefit for our society. Their sole meal ticket in life is killing other animals.
The introduction of wolves was done under the guise of "Balancing Nature". How can anyone justify introducing a dangerous animal into our habitat so it can destroy newborn animals, and say that is "Balancing Nature"? These people who want protection for Wolves disregard the rights of newborn animals like Elk Calves, Moose Calves, and Deer fawns. And, Wolves don't have a monitor within them to keep them from killing livestock on ranches and farms. Wolves do not discriminate, they kill anything they want, cows, sheep, and dogs.
These people who introduces Wolves into our habitat operate like they have done something Noble, that they should be knighted, for bringing death and destruction to the innocent lives of the wolf victims. How can the PETA types justify protecting wolves, at all costs, while ignoring on the other hand the destruction of majestic animals like Cattle, Elk, Moose and Deer?
Above, I mentioned that these people who introduced wolves did so with malice of forethought. When looking at the job description of wolves, there is only one entry; and that is killing. The people introducing, and now protecting wolves, could NOT have avoided knowing that wolves kill.
Didn't we just put Michael Vick in jail for doing the same thing?


Don

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As for the cows that got killed the rancher likely got a pretty significant damage payment, so I'm sure he's happy too.

They get market value, after a lengthy investigation, a tribunal so to speak, where evidence is taken, DNA, proof that is was a wolf. And once the USF&W is convinced it was a wolf, they get what that particular animal is worth at market, it does not matter if it was registered, a 4H calf, a rare breed, market price. Yearlings, bred or replacement heifers, or feeders, and all less than a $1 a ppound except for maybe feeders. Oh, and not Chicago prices either, local markets.

As for Wyoming, the majority want the state to stay the course. No or little change in the current law. So a law suit is pending. They are the feds wolves, let the feds continue to pay! You should, at the very least, be able to protect your property, cow, dog, sheep, horse, llama!

Payments for animals killed are spotty at best. First the animals have to be found in time to get a confirmed wolf kill. Try that sometime on western ranches. Secondly, there is no payment for all the added work, stress on livestock (read weight loss) and reduced quality of life.

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all the more reason for s-s-s.

As someone who makes a living and supports several families from a large herd of registered Holstein dairy cattle, I could not have said it better myself. We have a large pack of wolves here and have had them come into the pastures, especially when the deer yard up on our fields in the severe cold of Dec through Feb. Seems the wolves have a tough time sustaining their numbers when they come out in broad daylight. Who can explain it? I have heard that Sierra Matchkings are toxic to wolves when in close proximity to cattle. I bet the wolves come across the target I have on the other side of the north fields and mistake all the Matchkings in bedded in the bank for food. That must be it. I bet its lead poisoning, better switch to Barnes "X" bullets. Sorry folks, but I get a little pissed off when I see photos like the ones posted in this thread.

I would shoot them on sight if they did that to my livestock.

Let me see, if that were my livestock, "fair market value" would not pay for what I see and how I would feel about loss.

Antis use it, SO where is a really good attorney that actually can fight the case. Sue USFWS/Federal government etc . . .

As I remember it one has the "right to a trial with a jury of their peers".

Not a bunch of Denverites displaced from Kaliforniy or New Yawk City, but peers, those who make a living raising cattle.

Stepping down from soap box with a final statement

"Just an opinion and you know what they say about opinions"

LB

I got a tip one time from an old time homesteader here in Alaska. He said that they used to "gut shoot" bears and wolves. 22LR works good. They will eventually die. There is no carcass to explain or cover up.
Before you greenies get on my aZZ, I have never done it and don't plan on it.
If I was a rancher and my livelihood depended on it, I would think about it.

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Originally posted by Joe Miller:

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all the more reason for s-s-s.

As someone who makes a living and supports several families from a large herd of registered Holstein dairy cattle, I could not have said it better myself. We have a large pack of wolves here and have had them come into the pastures, especially when the deer yard up on our fields in the severe cold of Dec through Feb. Seems the wolves have a tough time sustaining their numbers when they come out in broad daylight. Who can explain it? I have heard that Sierra Matchkings are toxic to wolves when in close proximity to cattle. I bet the wolves come across the target I have on the other side of the north fields and mistake all the Matchkings in bedded in the bank for food. That must be it. I bet its lead poisoning, better switch to Barnes "X" bullets. Sorry folks, but I get a little pissed off when I see photos like the ones posted in this thread.

Joe,

Right on!
That's why I made the posting above.
The HUGE number of mindless Liberals in this country who worship Wolves pisses me off.
I seriously do not understand how they can sleep at night, knowing wolves destroy other folks cattle. I really think they belong in jail, just like Michael Vick.

Don

some whole oats mixed in with ground burger.... dead wolves.


Steve

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I seriously do not understand how they can sleep at night, knowing wolves destroy other folks cattle

Not only that, but what about your bird dog, stock dog, hounds, or just your family companion!

How about the big male that was seen at the end of our driveway at 4:25 when the kids get off the buss? And then the next afternoon, he was back at the buss stop, strange that he was thinking about a delicious little girl for supper. Surely wolves stay where they are supposed to, in the forest with all the other fuzzy forest friends. The wolf that came to the buss stop, was told that an evil woodsman with 458 caliber ax lives here and he shouldn't come back to eat little red riding hood. Ain't nature beautiful.

Speaking with a REAL wildlife biologist (elk specialist) here in "blue" New Mexico, he said that if wolves were introduced in the Jemez (NW of Albuquerque) the pack would go thru the whole Jemez (75 miles) in a day... they also do a good job of "controlling" the coyotes... pushed them all out to the roads in Yellowstone. What a mess!
They NEED a LOT of room and just because Tessa Treehugger would like to put them in "her" 30K acre wilderness within 30 min of her suburban home for "viewing" it's not going to work.