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Recently we have discussed, in general terms, the NRA use of funds on extravagance. The Washington Post has published a piece today about this subject. I can’t post such things. But a quick google search should find it. No commentary from me. | ||
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Thank you Saeed. The problem is with me. I get a digital subscription on my phone. When I save it, I do not know where the link goes on my phone. | |||
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Best way is to use a browser like Safari, open the page you want, and copy and paste the link. I have done this from an iPad. | |||
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The problem with a lot of this is that it sounds awful to the average person. It sounds awful not knowing a lot of the facts behind SOME of these issues. These are generally the same people who believe the NRA should operate just fine and dandy well on the dues alone. Let's look at a few of these issues: 1- Ted Nugent performs and gets paid for it. Guess what? Ted and his entire band has to be transported to the location of the show plus all of the equipment. There are roadies involved. Insurance and many other costs as well. Why should he do this for free? The number disclosed didn't phase me in the least. 2- Let's look at the ammo sold by Pete Brownell. The NRA needed a supplier that could provide a large volume. Virtually every supplier capable of providing this volume has some tie to the NRA. Someone had to do it. Why not Pete? 3- What about Wayne's suits? I am sure this sets a lot of people off. Wayne make a lot of public appearances. Wayne makes a lot of private appearances where big dollar donations are solicited. The reality is he need to dress well. Hell, I go to a large volume of board meeting for clients annually. I buy expensive suits. I am not saying none of this bothers me . Some of it does. The first thing that bothers me is how a vendor (the ad agency) has so much power. I cannot comprehend that. Most of the things that I see that are potentially problematic are related to that agency. | |||
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In this particular article my biggest problem is with WLP’s clothing allowance. I realize in large firms this is common, but is not the NRA a 501c? His compensation should be sufficient to buy his clothes. Clothes will not see him to the poor house. The other issue is this spending is not for the retention of staff or advancement of policy. I love the NRA school and clays program. But I do think some top level reform is needed. Another question is, are they bidding out these reimbursements or just letting board members charge anything to be reimbursed? It appears if you are a board member you can name your price for the ammo or range time you are providing instead of a bid/solicitation process to keep cost down. That is a problem. | |||
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FREEDOM is NOT FREE!!! | |||
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And money needed to keep freedom should not be spent on board members ammo when another source can provide ammo cheaper. At least, it should be verified there are not cheaper sources. | |||
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It's abuse plain and simple but just another example of weighing the results against it. Obscene salaries for non-profits have been around forever with the rationalization being you have to pay massive $$$ to hire the best executives. Ugly business if you ask me and a lot of these folks have no soul. I'm sure WLP has a tidy fortune put away already and his next several generations have nothing to worry about. Why not do it for free at this point if he really "cares"? | |||
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I would like to know how much money was raised by WLP on his fund raising trips to Italy, Budapest, and the Bahamas- since those and similar fund raising junkets cost the nRA about $250,000. And why did the NRA quit paying for his suits if it is all perfectly above board. I ask after spending $275,000, he ran out of closet space..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I do not want to come across as anti compensation and accept the cost of lobbing. I have a problem with the apparent lack of bidding. It appears if you are on the board, you get to name your price for whatever service and the money is handed over. First, no company should run lack that Money is a limited resource for any enterprise. The NRA is donor funded at least the NRA says it is. It is not being obstructions to ask that project s be solicited and bid. Second, WLP does not need or deserve clothes being bought. He is paid appropriately. JDollar ask a honest question. | |||
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My first question is this: "why should I believe anything the WP writes about the NRA?" friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Because everyone agrees the money reported was spent as the Post reported. | |||
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"Everyone", as in everyone at AR, or everyone in media, or everyone, including those at the NRA? Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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If any of this is not true, then the NRA should tell us what is the truth. | |||
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Why would they pay $50K to hear Ted Nugent. What a waste of money. This happened to NWTF a few years back. I wonder what the overall efficiency rate is for NRA. | |||
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Paying board members? The idea at least on the boards I have sat on are to raise money for the group, increase exposure, etc. Never heard of a board member being paid by the organization they're supposed to be overseeing and looking out for the best interest of the members and organizations. Creates a conflict of interest. If we substituted NRA for HSUS, and Washington Post for Fox News people would be all over it. Have no problem with people being properly compensated for work they do but there needs to be someone minding the store. Some other interesting articles. https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/...cusations-corruption https://www.salon.com/2019/05/...nras-tumult_partner/ The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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Efficiency ratings on non-profits are almost entirely useless. They do not account for appropriateness or reasonableness of expenditures. I can pay Wolfgang Puck $5,000 a night to feed the homeless or pay 5 short order cooks a $100 each a night. Both expenses will considered 100% towards Program Services. I am of course using an extreme example to make my point. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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No, everyone as in the NRA. Those are accurate reports. I have not re-reported the allegations the Gun Collation makes by Jeff Knox x son because I cannot tell how much is anpbove board and how much is sour grapes. I let you look all that up. | |||
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I disagree. I am very involved with Ducks Unlimited and we have an 83% efficiency rate. Meaning 83 percent of our money goes back into the ground to conserve wetlands. All volunteers and board members pay their own travel. Whenever I travel for DU I pay all of my own bills. Even the President of DU pays for all of his own travel. Our staff is different but Volunteers do not get paid or compensated. | |||
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Clark, You may not have understood the example. Efficiency ratings related to charities have nothing to do with the effectiveness of the charity. They are % of money spent on the designated Program Services. One charity can have all volunteer staff and one all paid staff. If paid staff spend all of their time working on Program Services it counts. Charities can waste money but if all the money is spent towards the Program Services it counts. Charity A is set up as meals for the homeless. Takes in $1000 in donations buys 20 homeless people each a $30 steak dinner at Joe's steakhouse and spends $230 on administration and logistics efforts directly related to the steak dinners and $170 on expenses unrelated to feeding the homeless. They have an 83% (830/1000) efficiency rating. Charity B is designated as meals for the homeless. Takes in $1000 in donations cooks 156 homeless people a chicken dinner at a cost of $5 each at a church hall and spends $50 on administration and logistics efforts directly related to cooking the chicken dinners and $190 on expenses unrelated to feeding the homeless. They have an 81% efficiency rating. Charity C is designated as meals for the homeless. Takes in $1000 buys 20 homeless people a steak and lobster dinner at a cost of $45 each at Fred's surf and turf and spends $50 on administration and logistics efforts directly related to buying the dinners and $50 on expenses unrelated to feeding the homeless. They have a 95% efficiency rating. Which charity is doing a better job feeding the homeless? Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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10-4 Thank you. Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Any so called charity that has paid staff is a for profit business. One can argue semantics if you want. | |||
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I do not think of the NRA as a charity. Though they may technically be. I am not anti compensation. I will just use the items reported in the article. Be we all are, generally, anti waste and cronyism. The clothing thing by WLP was ridiculous. If the NRA was a true private enterprise not hounding for donations then fine. If we were not told every dollar is needed to burn the field then fine. That is not the situation, and WLP made more than enough to buy his clothes. Second, why is the NRA not bidding and soliciting ammo and range time instead of letting Board Members charge what they want to. I bet Winchester or Federal would have significantly provided such at less per bullet. This is just greedy, stupid waste of funds. Badly needed funds. I am not saying stop being an NRA member. I am saying stop give them a pass with your money. This behavior weakens the NRA. I do not think it is Second Amendment treason to demand better. The muscle must be torn to build back stronger. How long did Republican have the House and then the Senate. Suppressors could not even get deregulated, national CCDW was a nope, bump stocks turn them in by executive order(I do not like or own one, but if Obama had done that). Now, I lay most of the blame at Paul Rayn’s feet. However, the NRA with majority of its preferred congressional makeup have given us little legislatively. Would things be worse without the NRA? Yes! That is not the discussion or issue. The discussion is, is the NRA executive leadership and Board misusing, or at least stupidly using, funds for personal gain and excess. If the answer is yes, then what can grass roots members do about it. If the answer is yes and grass roots members can go straddle a billy goat, then the BRA is lost. I wonder if anyone at Conservation Force has a clothing stipend in addition to compensation? When I have to buy a copier for one office I take bids. When I have to buy a bulldozer for another I take bids. These are private enterprises. Why, is it divisive to ask that of the NRA? If you disagree, you have no less of my respect as a human being. Not that anyone needs it. | |||
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There seems to be a never ending series of articles written about the NRA over the last few months. I have read many. I have a certain amount of information given my contributions over the years. I have had a lot of contact with high level people . For example, I took the (then) President turkey hunting at one of my places. Given this exposure , I would like to make a few comments. There is little doubt the media is attempting to sensationalize SOME things . Some sound pretty bad to the uninformed and/or the little guy on the street . Take Wayne’s travel expenses for example. He travels private for security reasons. He also often has an impossible travel schedule if he were to fly commercial. Often multiple speaking engagements in a single day and/or events to raise big dollars. On the other hand, there are many expenses that are hard to comprehend and hard to explain . I cannot comprehend an ad agency having the power that they apparently had. Perhaps the most bothersome is the suspension/resignation of Chris Cox. This makes me wonder what kind of force the NRA will be at election time. Guilty off not, I wonder how tarnished Wayne is by all of this? | |||
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That’s why I have a rule of thumb to never give money to a non profit that has employees being paid more in one year than I have ever earned in one year. I do volunteer my services occasionally. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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