im contemplating getting a 300 ultra just because. what do you think i should get and why? ive got 3 other rem. custom shop and no sakos. i hear lots of great things. i went to the local gun store that will order one for me and he said that "we will order it but we wont without a deposit becasue we have a hard time selling a gun for 1300 dollars when we think its worth 600" i dont think his figures were meant to be exact but his point was he didnt think it was worth it. any gun will be stainless synthetic. thanks for your thought jeff
Posts: 111 | Location: eagle river ak | Registered: 01 December 2002
There are a multitude of guns that fit the stainless/synthetic category. The sky is the limit. I'll say right now I dont have the most experience in guns, but I would say Sako is one of the best push feed guns. Is the Remington Custom Shop guns worth it? No. I would rather get the one of the semi custom guns on the market. I think its hill country rifles that has remington 700's that will shoot 3/4 MOA- thats the guarantee anyways. They are 1395. How much is the Custom Shop guns? And will they shoot MOA for sure? Maybe not...
Posts: 935 | Location: USA | Registered: 03 June 2001
A friend bought the Sako; he couldn't handle the recoil. Now it's got a muzzle brake, and he loves it. I don't want him shooting it near me though, too much noise.
I wound not spend the money on a Remington custom shop gun. Don't get me wrong, I have three Remingtons and they are my primary rifles.
What I've done is bought a standard stainless ADL or BDL with the junk stock. Then replaced the stock with a High-Tech from Mark Bansner (you can buy these unfinished for $210)and had the stainless blued (you could have it Teflon coated). The gun is essentially the same as the custom shop and cheaper. If the factory barrel doesn't shoot well you could have it re-placed and not be out but a few dollars from a custom shop gun. The three Remingtons I have shoot well with the factory barrels.
I don't know anything about the Sako.
Posts: 178 | Location: Anchorage, AK | Registered: 07 January 2002
There's nothing wrong with the Remington Custom Shop guns. They look good and shoot good. However, you could probably have a good smith assemble a rifle for you with hand selected components for the same price. And, I would venture to say it will shoot just as good.
By doing so, you could select a stock of your choosing. Then, purchase a new or used action and have it printed. Then, select a barrel from whomever you choose. Should it be Shilen, Hart, Douglas....
Then, when you get the rifle, you have someone to talk to about it who will care if you have a problem. And, you will have the pleasure of owning a rifle that is unique to you.
Who knows, maybe you decide to use a Sako action instead.....
A Custom Shop Remington is still just a Remington no matter how you slice it. If Remington built them right in the first place, they wouldn't need a custom shop. Buy a Sako (new or old), you won't regret it. I am not a big fan of their synthetic stock however.(get one without the key if you can)
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Posts: 3316 | Location: USA | Registered: 15 November 2001
You'll never get your money back on a Remington Custom Shop gun. They are over-priced for what they are.
My experience with Sako is with the FinnBears, not the current Model 75. I can state that all three of my FinnBears were extremely well-made, handsome rifles, and all were accurate (sub-MOA with handloads) and trouble-free.
George
Posts: 14623 | Location: San Antonio, TX | Registered: 22 May 2001
Get a 700 action,have it lapped and trued ,have a quality barrel installed and have a quality stock of your choice installed.You will get a gun that fits you has the weight and dimensions that you want and it will be more accurate than a mass produced factory rifle.
Posts: 3104 | Location: alberta,canada | Registered: 28 January 2002
I didn't reply but I have a 700 Custom Shop Mountain Rifle in 350 Rem Mag that I traded for from "hayes4" on this board. I love the rifle, fits me very well very accurate. All I did to it was replace the trigger with a Jewel, but that was a personal preference.
One of my firends just got his Alaskan Hunter in 375 H&H and he seems to like it very well.
of the three i have .300 win mag. 8mm rem mag. and .375 hh. ive shot them all a lot. the .300 i have tons of round through. been an alaska for 13 years and shot everything up here with it and just back from africa where i took 11 animals with it. out of the 3 i have never had a problem with any. ive had trigger work done and thats all. they all shoot well. ive just been hearing about this sako and was surprised at the clerks statement. ive been thinking of getting a 300 ultra to play with. although i probably wont take anything else hunting but the .300 win mag. (unless big browinies or buff) just to attached to it. when i was buying these i didnt know enough to put together a semi-custom gun and thought these would be close. they have worked out just fine but thats all i own and was just was wodering if there is something i was missing out on. i liked getting all the same models with all the same triggers so picking up one is just like the other, no new tweaks or anyting. thays my 2 cents. oh yea my bro. has 2 for 12 yrs and loves them also
Posts: 111 | Location: eagle river ak | Registered: 01 December 2002
My recommendation would be to build a rifle with your action choice or purchase the Sako. I have three friends that have tried the Remington Custom Shop route and all are disapointed. Their complaints range from not feeling like they got what they paid for to the rifle being mis-chambered to a cartridge that can not be determined. I have learned the hard way that having your rifle built by someone with a passion to build rifles is the only way to fly. Its cheaper in the long run, but more importantly, you will have pride of ownership. When you're getting more than you bargained for it's nice to know you're getting what you paid for.
Also, if possible, find yourself another gun shop to build a relationship with. You don't need the horseshit from the one you currently use. Life is too short. You want bright and helpful service that creates value.
quote:Originally posted by N E 450 No2: Take a look at the Blaser R93. You can get it in the 300 Ultra.
This is just to funny
I would buy an used sako, old or new and build a custom rifle on it. The factory stock from sako is really the worst on the market. Get a McMillan, H-S or any other good synthetic stock.
Why not use an old win push feed for a custom work?
I owned a rem 7 KS in 350. The design of the stock was poor, and recoil with 250 grainers was a pain. Shooting the 200gr X was a pleasure yet. Steel treatment against rust was a shame (no bluing but non reflective like parkerization which was not really effective), the action was rough, the magazine floor was in poor quality aluminium. I paid 2000 USD for it. Sold it for 1200. Now I still own my ruger in 350, a much better made rifle, and two blaser 93, which I used recently to kill a doe at 360 meters in Scotland. Believe me, once you are used to your blaser, going back is nonsense. And should you resell it, no problem. R93 never stay long... olivier
What custom shop Remington have you owned? What did you find wrong with it to say it's over rated?
Just curious, please qualify your statement.
Jim
I have owned one apr in 300 win and AWR in 338 win. The problem with the AWR were that the black finnish on the stainless were peeling off and that the rifle needed to be re-bedded before accuracy were under 1,5 inches. Otherwise it was fine.
The APR had accuracy problems and were rebarreled two times before I got tired and sold it. I also had problem with feeding properly and ejection. The rounds were not staying in the magazine as they should but flied out once you tried to camber a fresh round.
This is my experince and I hope that all rifles are not the same, I just wanted to state my experience, soo you know. The posetive were that remington fixed all problems without any haggeling or fuzz, which I find very good.
I've been shocked at the quality or "lack of" coming from the Remington custom shop lately.
Posts: 8351 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001
Thanks for the reply. I know folks want to be short and sweet on their posts, but when folks talk about this is bad gun or thats a bad gun, I always like to hear what the problems and what models they owned, so I can look out for them when I look at the guns. I have a Remigton Custom KS Mountain Rifle and have not had those problems. But to be honest I would not reccomend one for the price and waiting time Remington has. I think the Berretta Mato is a much better deal and considerbly cheaper. It's a shame those rifles didn't catch on better. Antother that is in the same price range or cheaper was the Magnum Research Mountain Eagle, which were built by Krieger.
Just my opinion.
Bear Claw,
What rifles have you owned recently from the custom shop and what problems have you had?
The Beretta Mato has to be one of the most mis-managed disappointing rifle projects in history! Their own Customer Service department did not understand the business plan for the Mato. I had two of them. A 270 Win that shot 4" groups that the safety broke on and a 375 H&H. I can't tell you how the 375 grouped because it jammed so bad on every round that I never fired a shot with it! Beretta got tangled up in their underwear so bad over this Mato they had to quit the bolt action rifle business and buy Sako! The market is efficient. The Mato did not "catch on" because riflemen "caught on" and said no to the commercial aspects. Its not a shame the Mato is extinct. This is what happens to inferior products. The angry comments you hear is because of the companies involved. Folks save their nickels to buy a dream from trusted friends like Remington, Winchester, and Beretta; names with hundreds of years experience building firearms, but yet the unacceptable quality looks like they have never seen a rifle in the history of the company! And, they are not helpful if you have a problem. The mis-alignment occurs when the manufactuer losses its passion to build fine firearms and sees its rifles as a commodity but markets to us as if it is sharing our passion. Forget the Beretta Mato! Good riddance to bad trash!! It sounds like Remington did not create value for you! You will not recommend a Custom Shop Remington and you have one.
I amazed at the Berretta Mato's. Since the actions are produced by Dakota (a company of known quality) I guess Dakota had better look at there safeties. I have not had any problems from my Dakota 76. The barrels are Lothar Walther and the barrelled action is mounted in an H-S Precision stock, Berretta had very little to do with the rifle. I amazed at the bad experience you had.
No reason to get hostile though, I am not trying to flame anyone. I won't recommend the Remington Custom Shop rifles because there are better deals out there with a shorter wait. Mine is a fine rifle with good accuracy that I got for a good price. Otherwise I wouldn't have one.
This is where the confusion lies with the Mato. The action is not a Dakota 76 and the stock is not H-S Precision. As to the barrel, probably from the low bidder whoever that is. Dakota and H-S Precision may have had an influence, or so Beretta wants the Market to believe, in the early goings to enhance Beretta's credibility as a maker of fine bolt actions.
The Dakota action is about $1800.00 in the "white" and a H-S Precision stock is between $300-$400. The Mato was retailing complete between $800-$1200 based on chambering in synthetic. Beretta attempted to make the action and the stock came from the low bidder. What beretta found out was crafting a quality bolt action rifle is more difficult than they thought and Beretta went back to the business of making shotguns which they have a deep skill set to do. Beretta's dabbling into the world of bolt actions was a misguided strategy to imitate a Dakota at a discounted price and capture margins they felt Dakota, and other custom rifle makers, were leaving on the table. It failed as you would expect.
alaskadude asked for our help. your first post infers you agree with him spending hard earned dollars for the Remington Custom Shop rifle, when in actuality, you honestly can not recommend it.
No where in my first post did I reccommend the Remington Custom Shop. I simply stated that I love mine and it's accurate, which I do and it is. It's his money to spend how he wishes. Would I spend the money and the 1 year wait on one? No, I would not as I said before I got a good deal on mine and I really like it.
I was always under the understanding the Beretta is a Dakota 97 action, which is not $1,800, the whole rifle only retails at $1,995. The action RETAILS at $1,000. Which I am sure on a large order Berretta would get for half. Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on the action. Sorry you had bad luck out of two of them. Hope you got something nice instead.
Thanks Jim. I replaced the Mato 270 Win. with an old Browning Safari Grade long extractor. I've been more than happy with this rifle. As beat up as it is, it shots 3/4" groups with factory ammo and does everything else it is suppose to do. I just look at all the dents and scratches as character marks!
After the 375 Mato disaster I went the M70 route chambered in 416 Remington. I loved the 416 Remington cartridge, but the Winchester quality and service was very, very poor. Trying to solve the Winchester woes I found an astounding group of riflemen that had the same problems I was having with their Winchesters. I am now looking for the big bore rifle to replace the Mato and M70.
We will leave it agreeing to disagree. FYI. The Dakota 97 is based on the Remington 700, a round action. While the Dakota 76 is based on the M70 and Mauser 98. The Dakota 97 and Dakota 76 look completely differently. Next time the opportunity presents itself look at the Mato and you will see it copies the Dakota 76 except for the bolt release. This can not be confused with the Dakota 97. Dakota did not make the Mato action and from a business and image perpective no custom or semi-custom maker will discount goodwill value and sell its actions cheap for volume. Dakota is not set-up to produce actions by volume.
Just in case you hear about Ruger, Ruger is supposedly casting rifle actions for others, but keep in mind Ruger is in the casting business not the custom or semi-custom rifle business. Ruger is a world leader in casting technology.
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