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Found out a couple days ago that I drew a once-in-a-lifetime Shiras bull moose permit here in Utah. I've seen plenty of moose ove the years, but never thought I'd actually draw a permit, so I've never paid much attention to them other than they're BIG! I've been searching everything possible on the internet and have been looking at a ton of pictures to get an idea of what I should be looking for. I'm not expecting to kill the next State record, but I want a good representative of the species for the wall. I called and talked to the hunter who had the same permit last year and he killed a bull that's 44" wide with 7 points on one side and 9 on the other. Said it also has some pretty good mass. Needless to say, I'd be thrilled with a similar bull. I've been thinking about trying to bust one with my muzzleloader, but then I get to thinking that it's a O-I-L hunt, so maybe I shouldn't mess around and should just take a rifle. If I do take a rifle, it'll be my Pre-64 Model 70 .300 H&H. Any of you have experience hunting Shiras? Any pictures of successful hunts you could post? Thanks in advance, Buster | ||
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Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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good luck!!! PETA: people eating tasty animals | |||
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This will be a statement of the obvious to you I am sure, but when we lived in Park City (Jeremy Ranch) we were literally plagued by Boone and Crocket size moose. We loved to watch them in the front yard but they also feasted on all of the mountain ash trees in the neighborhood. Their biggest threat was the semis blasting down Parley's Summit as the moose headed for water on the south side of I-80. Your 300 will be fine and I would be very selective as there are some enormous bulls in certain areas. I hope that you have a great area and hunt. Good luck Best of all he loved the Fall.... E. Hemingway | |||
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Don In Colorado, The area I drew is Folley Ridge CWMU, which isn't too far from Park City as a crow flies. The guy who had the permit last year told me he'd seen a dozen bulls before dropping the hammer on his the afternoon of the first day. October can't get here soon enough!.... | |||
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I've killed a few, and guided a lot more. Don't shoot unless the bull has forked or better brow tines, and good palms. The moose is the easiest to judge with fewest number of measurements. The one circumference at the bases is almost alway 6.5" to 7". Look for better than 40" width, paddles from 10-12" wide, and length from top to fork of brows in the 30" range. That will be a really nice B&C bull. Don't worry about the width if you can put all of the others together. Ears are about 22" tip-to-tip when alert, so go for one which is ten inches wider than its ears. | |||
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