World record elk?

29 September 2003, 04:18

Bill Leeper

World record elk?

Just caught a short (15 seconds, tops)blurb on the news about a supposed new world record elk shot in Colorado. Anyone have any info on this? Other than the obvious point that Leeper would probably have blown the hunt.
Was this a free ranging elk? Guided hunt or not? Public land or private? Green score? Inquiring minds want to know. Regards, Bill.

29 September 2003, 09:51

Cold Bore

If it was this year's kill, it would be a green score only right now, unless there is a season in July somewhere. [Wink]

Regardless, if there is a potential new world record taken out there, I'd be curious as to the details. Where in Colorado? And how about some pictures?!? [Smile]

Anybody?

29 September 2003, 09:52

Cold Bore

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Other than the obvious point that Leeper would probably have blown the hunt.

29 September 2003, 10:53

JLHeard

Taken from 24hourcampire, posted by Mixer:

quote:
This archery season in AZ ,There was a bull elk taken that might be a new world record[typical,archery]it was a 10x12 it green scored 456 it wieghed 1000 lbs.it was taken out of area 8 south of williams,AZ. just thought i'd let every one know about it,as soon as i find a pic i'll try to post

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=196664&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

29 September 2003, 11:46

JohnTheGreek

JL,

Heck of a bull! Nice stuff running around northern and central Arizona these days. Last year, I saw a herd of 15 bulls (half of them 6x6 or better with one 8x7) within a mile of my house. Now, drawing a tag . . . that is the bigger challenge I think up here.

Best,

JohnTheGreek

29 September 2003, 12:14

Yukoner

Question I got is

How the hell did they get that S.O.B in the back of the pick-up?

Daryl

29 September 2003, 15:51

JLHeard

BTW, I just want to say that ain't me [Smile]

30 September 2003, 02:18

Ivan

That's got to be the smallest 1000lb elk I've ever seen... Whole in the back of a truck, if that thing weighed 1000lbs it would take 8 guys to get it in there...

Ivan

30 September 2003, 03:21

Brent Moffitt

Generally, a "come a long" will winch em in there bigger than that pretty easy.

If that were a good size moose, and it looks smaller, though maybe from the angle, I'd say it's better than 600#, but with the big daggers on its head it's gotta be over 1000 lbs! [Big Grin]

Nice bull!!

30 September 2003, 04:53

JohnTheGreek

Yukoner,

I just guess those of us in Arizona are tougher than you folks in Whitehorse. [Big Grin]

Best,

JohnTheGreek

30 September 2003, 13:08

Yukoner

John,

Yes, I guess so.

It is strange, to me, to see a field dressed animal in the back of a pick-up.(with it's head on to boot)
It seems that everytime you kill something here in the Yukon, and it doesn't matter what it is, you got atleast a long days work ahead of you to get the thing back to camp. Well except that time I shot that bear right under the "Welcome to the town of--------" sign. [Wink]

That is an 8 foot box on that Ford pick-up. Not a chance that that elk weighs a thousand pounds. But then who give a rat's ass.

It is one hell of a nice bull.

Daryl

01 October 2003, 01:06

Johnny Ringo

I agree Yukoner, maybe 800 pounds, at most.

01 October 2003, 01:24

sdgunslinger

Hard to tell the weight from the picture.......I once hauled a dead 1600 lb bull (beef not elk ..... [Big Grin]

)out of my pasture in the back of a Chevy , and he fit easy , guts and all ......

[ 09-30-2003, 16:26: Message edited by: sdgunslinger ]

02 October 2003, 11:23

JohnTheGreek

Got a bit of inside scoop on this bull down at the bar last night where a regular knows the hunter. Turns out the hunter's buddy had been video-taping in the area the previous days for his son who had a bull tag but was in school. At a waterhole, he had seen a whole bunch of bulls (but not this one) wallowing and generally tearing things up. He went home and told the hunter about the area and suggested that he check it out. Well, that he did and the RUMOR around town is that Franklin has been offered $1million for the rack and turned it down. So much for Unit 8 being a sleeper unit. It really makes you wonder how many more like this are out there when you see a 7x7 and 8x7 right off the freeway just S. of town now and again. God I love Arizona!

JohnTheGreek

02 October 2003, 18:11

Greenhorn

World record P&Y elk is currently a bull from MT. My prediction is if that record is broken, it will be from another bull killed in MT. [Big Grin]

03 October 2003, 08:06

MtElkHunter

I have seen alot of good bulls and this is a very good bull but he sure don't look like a 400+ bull to me. It could be a bad angle or bad light but it still don't look THAT big. It might be 400+ gross but I don't think it will net over 400.

03 October 2003, 09:06

beemanbeme

Offer me a million bucks for most anything and you've got a deal.

03 October 2003, 11:10

JohnTheGreek

MTElk,

I have not seen the bull (apparently it is stashed somewhere in Williams, AZ for the time being) but, according to ESPN, "The bull . . . was green-scored by Safari Club International measurer and elk hunting guide John McClendon. After the numbers were added together, the huge elk was given a green non-typical gross score of 453 0/8 inches and a net non-typical score of 439 6/8 inches." This, of course, outshines the current WR P&Y non-typical by about 19" total. Nothings gonna shrink that much. It doesn't even approach the B&C WR but that BC bull was a pick-up. If anyone has a book handy, I'd be interested to know the score of the largest non-typical "hunted" elk in B&C and how this one compares.

Beemanbeme,

I agree with you! If it were me, I would have made a phone call to Dick Cabela too see if he would beat the $1m offer (assuming it wasn't him that made it in the first place) and that bull would have been GONE to the highest bidder! I can do a LOT of hunting around the world on $1m!

Best,

JohnTheGreek

03 October 2003, 11:26

huntsonora

I hunted with Alan Hamberlin a few years back for desert sheep and if I am not mistaken he has the largest elk ever killed by a hunter. It was close to 482" gross killed on White Mountain. I will do a search and try to get the exact score. I think it nets 451" non typical.
Drummond

[ 10-03-2003, 02:30: Message edited by: huntsonora ]

04 October 2003, 18:39

Greenhorn

I was right. It was MONTANA once again. [Big Grin]

http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/s/h_fea_Burkhead_Adams_record_03.html

05 October 2003, 07:30

Jameister

That a fine picture of an old elk from Montana all right. but that not the "new one".

by the way, that guy in the pickup is 6 foot 8 adn weighs 265 pounds. just makes the elk look smaller. and those that say a bull elk that stretches with his ass against the cab to his nose past the 8 foot mark onto the tailgate looks small, have obviously never packed one out in pieces. i have seen two average bulls SXS in a pickup box. But one thing is clear: there is total confusion about 1000 pounds gutted weight, 1000 pounds hanging, 1000 pounds live weight, and 1000 pounds dressed. But there is nothing confusting about onething: Once you get it dead and on the ground, there is no such thing as a small bull.

05 October 2003, 10:21

Yukoner

[ 10-05-2003, 01:29: Message edited by: Yukoner ]

06 October 2003, 15:59

Frans Diepstraten

Hi John,

Good to hear you are so tough!! ;-)

It'll come in handy when you have to put those bison quarters on the back of the trailer!

Since I'm a little whimp of a guy, I'm happy to leave the floor to the tough'uns! ;-)

Frans

08 October 2003, 03:03

<SkiBumplus3>

I just received a picture of a bull taken in central Washington last week. I hear it green scores 415 net. I might have been a new P&Y record for about a day!
Chuck Adams bull doesn't have a chance.

Ski+3

08 October 2003, 05:18

tcencore260

current B&C world records on all elk ssp.

B&C World Records on Elk

I'll have to wait until I get home to look up the largest hunter-killed nontypical elk.

Troy

08 October 2003, 05:22

JohnTheGreek

Hi Frans,

Bison quarters and backstraps aren't too bad to move. . . it's the head and hide that are tough to handle. I'm up for it if you are! [Smile]

Best,

JohnTheGreek

08 October 2003, 08:04

MtElkHunter

John
I would believe that score for a NON-typical elk. The post I was talking about said typical elk. There is a big difference how a typical and non-typical animal is scored. This bull has way to many deductions to score really high as a typical, but he will score good as a non-typical. I have seen 400+ typical bulls and they are REALLY impressive.

09 October 2003, 02:47

<SkiBumplus3>

Guys. Boone and Crocket is for rifles. This thread is discussing bow kills. Pope and Young is the appropriate record book. Chuck Adams holds the current recort typical elk. It scores 409 and change.

Ski+3

09 October 2003, 03:44

BBTURTLE

Elk?
Read this.
World record? Again?

BTTS
T [Cool]

13 October 2003, 07:11

JohnTheGreek

skibum,

B&C accepts entries for all methods of take, including archery.

Best,

JohnTheGreek

13 October 2003, 07:51

<JOHAN>

JohnTheGreek

Amazin that Arizona has such fantastic animals. I was under the impression that one had to go noth to get one of these mosters.

I guess you soon will have bison in AZ too [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN

14 October 2003, 03:16

<SkiBumplus3>

JohntheGreek,

I know. Are you aware of any top critter in B&C harvested with a bow? I'm not. That's why Pope and Young was started IMO.

Ski+3

14 October 2003, 09:03

JohnTheGreek

Johan,

Northern Arizona is an amazing destination for Elk! In addition to mine, there is a free roaming herd of Bison around the south rim of the Grand Canyon known as the "House Rock" area. Chuck Adams took the P&Y record bison there a few years ago (not too big . . . scored around 118 I think).

SkiBum,

You're right, I don't know of any either but It would be interesting to find some of the top animals in B&C that happened to be harvested with a bow wouldn't it!

Best,

John