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Would like some opinions. These hypothetical loads are not for hunting browns. They are for stopping a charge at 50 yards or less. Assume the .375 soft point bullets are of the same make and construction. 270 grn @ 2600 fps for 4050 ft/lbs @ muzzle What would you want, keeping in mind that you may only have time for one shot. Anybody vote for a solid? | ||
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elmo, When you say same make and construction do you mean that 300 grain is the same as the 270 grain but with a longer shank and same for 350 compared to the 300? If so, that sounds like the Woodleighs. Or do you mean all three bullets are designed for big game at the relevant velocities and are perhaps hypothetical bullets? Mike | |||
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All of those round should do elmo, anything from 338 and up can hit hard enough to stop a brownie in its tracks IMHO.-Dark | |||
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As a matter of fact I was thinking about Woodleighs. By the way, these weight / velocity combinations are representative of what I think my .376 Steyr is capable off. What I want to know is,Where is the point of diminishing returns when you use very heavy for caliber bullets. | |||
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elmo, I mentioned Woodleighs because he sent me an email that his 235, 270 and 300 grainers were all the same except for shank length. I had asked in the context of his 235 grainers. They aslo said that the protected Points are slower expanders than the semi round nose and round nose bullets. You might be best to email him (Geoff Mcdonald), especially as to 2000 f/s with a 350 as that might be a fair way under the velocities he is thinking off. Mike | |||
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The way the muzzle energy drops with the 350 does have me concerned. Now keeping in mind that this is a "doomsday" load for protection purposes only. Impact velocity will be close to muzzle velocity at the range it might be used. So the question remains, If Mr Brown was running at you, from 30 yards away, which load would you want? Mike, Do you happen to have Mr McDonalds address? [This message has been edited by elmo (edited 04-19-2002).] | |||
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Elmo His email is zedfield@swanhill.net.au Mike | |||
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quote: Elmo, | |||
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I just e-mailed G McDonald. Will share his reply when I get it. Bearhunt'r I hope to be in your neighborhood in Sept. Way back in on Tustamena. Hope I draw! | |||
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I am not a bear expert, but to "stop" any animal including bears, the bullet has to disable the CNS. But a good shot (with luck on his side) could accomplish that task with a great number of cartridges. A few years back there was a guy hunting grizzly bears. He was walking on a trail a few yards ahead of his guide when he stepped very close to a sleeping grizzly. By the time the hunter realized what the big brown spot ahead of him was, the bear was already on a full charge. He dropped the bow and grabbed a .338WM rifle he was carrying on his shoulder and fired at the bear one time without aiming, then dropped on the ground in the fetal position awaiting a mauling. But the bear never got to him, so after a few seconds he cautiously raised his head to look around, and noticed the bear was a few feet away dead. The 250-grain NOS Partition had broken the bear's neck. This is what I mean by being "lucky." Use a 300 to 350-grain bullet with your .375 H&H, but launched a little faster than the velocities listed. | |||
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Elmo... Although still in the working-up-loads stage, I intend to use Hornady's 300 RN in my 375 WhnAI, as well as the 376, once it gets done, for bear stopper rounds. This seems like a good bullet, from what I've read about it. I imagine a 300 Partition would be better, from a controlled expansion stand point, but once you've acheived total penatration of a given animal with any bullet, then it don't need any more then that. ~~~Suluuq | |||
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I would suggest the 350 gr. RN at 2400 fps. Barnes list 66.5 grs. or RL-15 at 2407. I suspect that with a standard bullet you might work up a little more on the powder charge over a monolithic, but 2400 is perfect for that bullet..the PP 350 gr. Woodleigh is a tougher bullet and bears are pretty soft creatures compared to a Cape buffalo, but I bet that both will work fine... ------------------ | |||
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I'm happy to report that Shirley McDonald of Woodleigh Bullets returned my e-mail promptly and recommended the 350 grn round nose. Should have no problem at that velocity. Ray, I wish I could get 2400 fps but I think that may be pushing the envelope on that 20" Steyr. Haven't got the rifle yet but have received reloading components including 300grn Partitions. One of your previous posts on another thread got me thinking about woodleighs. Bearhunt'r Rusty [This message has been edited by elmo (edited 04-21-2002).] [This message has been edited by elmo (edited 04-21-2002).] | |||
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I would use the 350 grain Woodleigh. Maybe I would even use a Hawk bullet for the first shot and Woodleighs for the next. | |||
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Elmo, What are you doing picking on those poor innocent little bears anyway?  I will be on the Kasilof again the first week in June. YEAH! We will be staying at Tana's in Soldotna again as well as going to see friends in Whitier. My brother in law is going to buy property around Soldotna so I imagine Ill get recruited to help build. OH DARN! Like I reaaaally need and excuse to go more than I do now. Will just be doing a couple of fishing trips and no bear hunting this time as we are taking the wives with us. I hope the Kasilof dosnt get alot more pressure this year because of the tightened restrictions on the Kenai. Ill let you know when I get back.------------------ | |||
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Mike I'm not pickin' on the poor little dears, but the next time one pops his head out of the bush next to me, and says "Woof" I'll be a little better prepared! | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by elmo: HI Elmo, I would go for the 300 grain bullets. First because they are enough and secondly why limit your trajectory for the rest of your hunting. The 350 at 2000 fps could restrict you on a longer shot if the chance came up. I don't mean a really long shot but at 2000 fps it wouldn't have to be very long for the trajectory to let Murphy in the door. 470 Mbogo | |||
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I will use a 260, 270 or 300 grain for hunting,depending on what velocities or what my Steyr shows a preference for. The 350 load is purely a very short range defence load. | |||
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Elmo, Woof! Sounds like a Kodak moment to me! Maybe make a great Charman commercial. Can I do the video? It always amazes me how close they can be and you not even know it. And yes I have had to change on a couple of ocassions too! Anytime Im in the alders etc I get nervous especially if I have something down. Guess I dont just share well! So much for the lessons of kindergarden. 470Mbogo, What is the difference between the 300 and the 350? He can only shoot so many salmon anyway! ------------------ Happiness is a warm gun [This message has been edited by Mike Smith (edited 04-22-2002).] [This message has been edited by Mike Smith (edited 04-22-2002).] | |||
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quote: Ovis, You sir, are a RAT! (And I'm jealous as H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS!!!!!!!!!!!) Good luck! best, bhtr | |||
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Elmo it would appear that overkill has your "stopper". ------------------ | |||
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