Please go to the link below and click on the boxes marked:
"Fallow deer belching" "Red Roaring" and "Sika screaming"

http://www.deer-uk.com/deer_Sounds.htm

Do they sound like any American deer? Can anybody suggest any American deer calls which might reproduce those sounds?

In particular does the "fallow belch" sound similar to the grunts made by whitetail?

I was wondering if any of the American made Whitetail grunt tubes might reproduce those sounds???

The other vocalisations on that site might also be interesting for you guys, particularly the Sika scream.....At dawn in the deep woods, that is one of the weiredest sounds you can hear...

Thanks in advance,

Peter

It does sound a lot like whitetail grunting, I think one of those variable grunt tubes that allow you to both bleet and grunt from the same tube (depending where you hold your finger) might work.

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The Sitka scream sounds very much like an Elk Bugle, The Yak Yak sounds like a Turkey, and the alarm turkeyish. All three can be made with diaphram mouth call.
The Red Deer Roar could be made with an Elk Grunt tube with a little practice. The others are going to be tougher. I agree a variable Grunt tube might work for the Fallow farting but I havn't played around with htat type of grunt tube so I am not sure. Red Deer barking is going to be tough.
Good Luck and let us know what you come up with.

Greg

Thanks Guys,

Do you have any particular brands/products in mind? I'm looking for calls which are suitable for the musically challenged!I know some stalkers are using short lengths of plastic drain pipe to imitate the roar of a red stag, but I have had no luck trying this.

The only common deer calls we get in the UK are for Roe and they are fairly easiy to call if the deer density is high.

Regards,

Peter

Pete

A friend of mine recently returned from the US with a camo Grunt Tube for me. I think he was having a laugh. So far it has only been used as a source of amusement for my dogs. It could well be used to amplify a grunt to mimic a rutting fallow buck.

I have mimicked a fallow grunt myself with a reasonable degree of success but I found you soon end up with a sore throat trying to get those deep notes.

Have you considered the BEEP BEEP of an incoming text message as a roe call? Apparently it worked for an Austrian mate of mine last year!

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Richard,

As I understand it, a lot of those grunt tubes are basically open pipes with the onus on the user to reproduce the correct sound. As I am tone deaf, I would have no chance! I am looking for something "pre- tuned" this just needs blowing...

I'm convinced that calling is an area that is neglected in British stalking; rattling antlers is another thing I would like to try too.

Regards,

Peter

Pete E.

Listening to the various sounds, I'd say you could use about any elk bugle to mimic the Sika scream. Just keep it in the higher pitched end of the call's range.
The Fallow belching noise could be imitated w/ a grunt tube. Probably one of the Knight and Hale Magnum grunters or Hands-free grunt tubes would do a good job.
As for the Red deer roaring, you might be able to get it done by using a Knight & Hale adjustable grunt tube.

As for the rattling, I can remember as a kid in Texas, hearing about rattling for the first time. Most of the 'old time' hunters thought it was a joke. They didn't see any value in 'scaring off' the deer. Now it's a normal thing and you even have folks rattling for whitetail in most of the rest of the country. Simply because it works at times.
Elk hunters have used dead tree branches to imitate the sound of a bull elk fighting w/ a tree to bring in 'real' bull elk. I don't see why it wouldn't work on the deer over there. Just use the antlers during the pre-rut period, when the stags would be setting up their harems or fighting for dominance and it would seem to me that it would work.
If you do try this, let us know how it works out.

Bbear,

I have heard of stalkers thrashing a small bush to bring in Roe bucks during their rut, but I have not actually come across anybody who has tried rattling.

I emailed E.L.K inc calls yesterday, and their (quick) response was that their Larynx Bull Call may work on Sika and thier Grunt tube may work for Fallow, but i might need to use my voice to vocalise more.

Thanks again everybody,
regards,

Pete

Pete,

The fallow calls don't work - I tried. To be honest I don't see how they can unless you're so close to the stand the buck thinks you're a threat. If you're that close you could probably shoot anyhow, also I'm not sure how ethical shooting fallow on a rutting stand is....I used a primos trophy grunter and allthough it sounded different I couldn't interest anything in coming to see me.

I have called a pricket by smashing pine branches by a high seat.

A lot of the commission stalkers use a sika call.

1894,

I'm going to give the fallow a try anyway, simply out of curiosity. They are the only deer i have reasonably local so they are going to get called whether they like it or not!

Any idea what the comission guys are using for calling Sika? I have heard of people destroying kids toys to get the squeaker out, but would like something a bit less hit and miss.

Pete

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