I've had 30 Ruger 77 centerfires as a minimum. I've yet to have one that didn't shoot well. All responded to bedding,load development and proper action screw tightening techniques.

I rather like 'em.........

For every good Ruger story, there are 3 horror shows. At least that has been the ratio for the Rugers I used to own, and my friends.

Appearance-wise the rifles are fine, accuracy-wise they are a lottery ticket. I've had some that shot great one day, then lousy the next. Send them back to Ruger and nothing is changed because 2.5 MOA is within factory spec.

If you have one you are happy with, great. But you get what you pay for and I'd rather not throw money away on a gamble.

The revolvers I've had good luck with, but as we've seen, a few turkeys get out. What do you expect for the price? Those are worth the gamble though, as you don't expect as much accuracy from a handgun.

The shotguns and pistols are another story, they are just not durable, reliable or accurate.

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I have met people that swear by Ruger rifles and I can respect that but my requirements as they relate to accuracy, fit, finish, and just plain aesthetics have evolved past what Bill Ruger can provide.

DWM

http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-papabill.html

http://www.survival.com.mx/gunrack/b_ruger.html

http://www.netside.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/ruger.txt

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Some guys report poor accuracy with their Rugers. I've owned a few that wouldn't shoot well out of the box myself. Well so what? I know everybody's looking for that bargain basement out-of-the-box miracle rifle, but heck, don't act like the world's coming to an end if that beauty doesn't throw all bullets into a one-inch circle right off the bat. Tweek it, tune it, take your time with it, invest in some gunsmithing if you need to, but don't give up on it. Most rifles can be made to shoot better than you'd ever dream possible if you're patient and don't always expect instant gratification.

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Originally posted by Longbob:
I forgot. There may be some animosity because of the perception of Bill Ruger selling out to the anti's.

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Bill Ruger sell out to the ANTI'S??
BULL SHIT!!

When did Bill Ruger sell out to the anti's? thats news to me. I've always thought highly of the man, and the company he runs!
OOPS missed those links Longbob I will have to go read them now.
X-Ring

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The evidence seems to be overwhelming. I'm depressed.

On second thought, now I don't feel so bad about complaining about all the crappy 77's I've had.

R-WEST

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By now you have probably guessed that the next rifle will also be a Ruger, stainless, and CRF (and not a lock on the bolt).

Another rifle I like is Ruger's 10/22. With the replacement parts found at Cabela's, Midway, and others it is up to one's imagination on the way it should look and shoot. But out of the box, a 10/22 is a great shooter.

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Hilljack

Of the two M77 rifles I owned, one had a horrible trigger that was solved by a Timney, and the other was a good trigger from the factory. Both shot very well. Just not my cup of tea, really, but that's a personal thing since I didn't have a problem with either rifle. I just like Winchesters.

The three others I had were Red Labels. All were great shotguns, but they just didn't fit me well. The only problem I has was with the 12, and that's because I thought it was too heavy. The other two were 28s. They were sweet little shotguns, but I didn't want to take the trouble of getting them to fit me.

Some say that the Red Labels are loose, but most don't realize that they have assited opening that makes them feel loose when they're not. If interested, read Steve Bodio's Good Guns Again.

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You are right. I did not know Bill Ruger, but I can sleep well at night knowing that I have never helped draft ANY restrictive gun legislation. I wonder what part of "Shall not be infringed" he didn't understand?

Would also be willing to bet that if you took all that Bill Ruger has done over the years for gun ownership even considering his helping draft some language (don't think he had a vote in the legislature) and compare it to Long Bob's being able to sleep well at night ( is that the sum of it?) you would find a landslide on Mr Rugers side.

MarkII- Always had feeding problems-sold
Ruger SRH.454-Dog, shot out of time-sold
Ruger 77II-stainless .338win. couldn't ask for better.
Ruger10-22-super reliable
Ruger old model .44mag. carbine-great gun-sold, wish I had it back.
Single Six Con..22/.22mag-old one, great shooter,sold yeah, yeah, wish I had it back.

All of the brands have their good and bad points, and I've got some of each and some are better than others, but they're all good.

I had one really bad Rem.700 in .25-06, real bush hammer but my present favorite is a Rem.Mod7. Hell, they're all fun!

If you ever have the opportunity to look into the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, you would understand a little more where I'm coming from and why ANY compromise is quite dangerous. It may come across to you as being hardline, but you should read the portions of the Federalist Papers concerning the 2nd and you will see otherwise. It's not there for hunters. Hunting is a neat byproduct of our RKBA. The 2nd Amendment is there to protect the PEOPLE of the United States against an oppressive government even if it is our own. I'm not making this stuff up. Read it yourself.

I understand that Bill Ruger has produced many more guns than I have over his lifetime. He was in the business of making them. But how can you say that his actions were the actions of the patriot that you are trying to make him out to be?

I will give you an example. Smokers have been make second class citizens and smoking has become a criminal act in some places. This was allowed to happen because we non smokers just stood by and watched because it didn't affect us.

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Absolutely amazing.

Mike

You still haven't read any of the Federalist Papers I see.

When considering Constitutional rights, one does not "give a little." Damn man, one DOES NOT GIVE ANY.

High capacity magazines and speed limit laws have nothing in common and are certainly not analagous.

Do you REALLY believe current gun kuntrol mandates have made you and your family safer? What statistics might you have to defend such a position?

By the Gods, your dissertation scares the hell out of me. You say don't touch the hunting guns, handguns, and target guns because enough has been done. And you say high capacity magazines are not needed as they are toys.

My big bore rifles are.... TOYS! I certainly do not NEED them as I can easily hunt with smaller, more traditional calibres.

The whole point here is the individual's Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, not your perception of what is needed or your interpretation of common sense.

Bill Ruger is a man of many talents and his contributions to the firearms community cannot be denied, however, they are certainly diminished given his actions regarding the high capacity magzine issue. Corporate profit took priority over principles.

Our rights will continue to erode with the anti-personal freedom genre standing united while the rest of us decide what is "right" or "necessary" for each other....

Simply astonished,

~Holmes

It really scares me to hear a gun owner talk like that. I don't have the stats, but I'm willing to bet that drunk driving causes more deaths than firearms. Lets put a limit on how much one can drink. I can see how someone might stab someone with a pocket knife, better get rid of those. Where does it stop? You said "anyone could get a high capacity mag and steal a gun and do terrible things with them, not so with a full auto". I find it quite interesting that you think people are capable of stealing most guns but not full auto's, how does that work. If you start banning things because of their potential harm we won't have ANYTHING left. Other gun owners have done everything in their power to keep what they had, but it didn't matter laws were passed anyway. What makes you think that when they reach "your line" that you or anyone will be able to stop them there? If you are going to worry about someone coming into McDonalds with a 20 rd. mag and shooting up the place I would say you should be equally worried about someone coming in with a 5 rd. mag. Worse yet, how about someone driving through the place in a semi. I realize that every person has a right to his or her own opinion and they also have the right to express that opinion. That does not mean that they aren't misguided.

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