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Hello. This is my first post at accurate reloading. My fiance and I are looking into getting her a Winchester Featherweight for her first big game hunt this fall for elk, mule deer and bear. We are looking for a light recoiling cartridge that still will have enough punch to 200 or 250 yards. I like the ballsitics of the 140 grain offerings from Nosler, specifically the Accubond. Any thoughts on this combo ? We looked at the 270 WSM and standard 270 & 30-06 and felt that after cutting off some of the stock to fit her that the gun may be too light and pack too much punch on her end. I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions you might have. Thanks.
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That .30-06 ought to be fine with a good 180gr. bullet. You can find that ammo anywhere.


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7-08 mm would be perfect for her. I've shot two elk with one and they fell dead as quick as any other round. Bruce


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Posts: 424 | Location: Ticonderoga NY | Registered: 19 March 2004Reply With Quote
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I would go with an 06 ver versatile load up or down...you could also go with a 308. Peerfectly fine out to 200 yds and its unlikely she will shoot beyond that...


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BB,

I shoot a 270 featherweight (made in the late 80 when they called it a "light-weight"). Topped it off with a Lupold 2x7 VarixII. I've been very pleased with it, and it seems to shoot 140's the best.

If considering the 270 win, run a box of Federal 150 gr. Nosler Partitions through it. My second choice would be the 140 gr. Trophy Bonded, at either the regular velocity (2900 fps) or the high velocity (3100).

I got 3/4 moa with the reg velocity Federal TB load.

Hope you have a good hunt! thumb

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The 7-08 would be just fine. My wife keeps shooting through her elk with her 280 throttled back to 7/08 velocities. I highly recommend 140 gr. X-bullets (preferably the triple-x design, or the coated version).

I'd buy her a 308 before I'd consider the 270 or '06. The shorter rifle will be so much easier to handle for a short armed person.

The other option you have is to buy her a gas-operated self-loader, like the Browning short-trac. These do cut recoil quite a bit. HTH, Dutch.


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If she doesn't like the recoil of the 06, the 7-08 will do fine w/ good bullets & good shot placement (as usual). I would definetly stay under 250yds & away from any bad angle shots on bulls.


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no problem using the short action cartridges; though shot placement is always priority 1...

as per the ballistics tables, a 7-08 at 200 yds hits about as hard as a 7 mag at 300 yds

or a 308 at 200 yds hits about as hard as a 300 Win at 300 yds

most will tell you a 7 mag or 300 mag will kill elk beyond 300 yds with proper shot placement
 
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My wife shoots my 300RUM mod 116 SAK Savage which has a very effecient muzzle brake.Kick is similar to .243win.You can load this round down but you can't load the little ones up.And with a
good dope sheet you can take elk at very long range.
 
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