Just wondering what it would cost for a person from the US to hunt Australia or New Zealand? Of course, I'd like to hunt Buff and Red Stag.....but I'd also like to hunt some of the "trash" stuff like feral camel, donkey, horse, pigs etc............so, what's available and what would it cost? I'm not into luxury accommodations.....I'd rather hunt from a bush camp!

[ 07-06-2003, 00:26: Message edited by: GonHuntin ]

Prices depend on what your chasing. For instance a sambar hunt in Victoria 1X1 is quite reasonable, or you can "do it yourself", watch out if they charge a trophy fee. Most sambar are taken on crown/public land, I can't see how they can charge a trophy fee . The guides in the Territory are chasing the US dollar and the prices are very high (to me anyway).

Do a search on the web for Aussie hunting, there are a number of outfitters with web pages.

Good luck.

Bakes

For Red Stag try the RIDGE group, htpp://www.ridgegroup.org

oops double post

[ 07-10-2003, 17:02: Message edited by: NitroX ]

Would you feel better if I called them varmints?

If you will notice, the term "trash" was in quotation marks......that's what they are considered by many folks.....doesn't mean I consider them as such.......

They certainly aren't game animals, so tell me, what would you call non-native animals that compete with native animals, damage the ecosystem and generally make a nusiance of themselves?

Targets?

[ 07-09-2003, 19:29: Message edited by: GonHuntin ]

I'd call them game. They're not deer but for most Australians that's all we have to hunt. Most Aussies don't have access to the 6 deer species in Australia. Rabbits,hares,foxes,cats,crows I class as small game. Pigs,goats and up I look at as biggame, I mean most pigs in my area out weigh some whitetail deer! And donkeys, well they are just zebra without the stripes
I think only calling certain animals "game" is a bit elitest. Each animal has its own challenges whether it be the enviroment they live in or the inherent cageness of the animal. I don't really like the term varmint. But each to his own I suppose.

Bakes

Rabbits, cats, pigs, goats, dingoes and foxes are what I would call pest animals, because they are causing the environment and farmers problems. They are also game animals, but only to us hunters. Hey Bakes I liked what you called a donkey, a zebra without stripes, a good way of looking at hunting them.

"Gonhuntin"

I certainly haven't seen any animals, game or otherwise, called "trash" anywhere else on these forums.

I have always believed to have respect for one's prey. But each to his own I guess.

I call any huntable wild animal "game". Almost all game animals produce meat which also is not "trash".

From your definition I don't see why you aren't shooting out all the pheasants, axis deer, African game, water buffalo, horses, pigs etc in North America? They are all introduced as well. What about domestic stock. Don't they compete with native wildlife as well? Trash too I guess.

Anyway this isn't your country so what does it matter what your opinion is of what we "should" be doing with our game?

Macawber

And when the introduced ferals are all shot out, or exterminated with selective viral diseases, all of us hunters will be very empty in spirit.

[ 07-10-2003, 17:21: Message edited by: NitroX ]

I am going to do some shooting in Aus. with a friend from from there that has his own farm there that lives in Dallas part of the year. I have a place in Morgan Mills, TX to take him deer and pig hunting. I am planning to go with him some time next year. Sorry no details yet.

Doug

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NitroX:
"Gonhuntin"

I certainly haven't seen any animals, game or otherwise, called "trash" anywhere else on these forums.

I don't remember saying the term came from these forums? Please point out where I said that!

I've always believed to have respect for one's prey. But each to his own I guess.

So do I! You are making a very poor assumption that because I used a descriptive term you don't like, that I have no respect for the animal.....I think you need to get a grip! Did you consider for even one minute that words often mean different things to different people? Especially when they are from different cultures?

I call any huntable wild animal "game". Almost all game animals produce meat which also is not "trash".

Are you saying that you eat all the animals I asked about? Do you eat camel, donkey, horse, feral cats, foxes etc? Our general terminology for non game animals that we hunt is "varmint". If you don't eat the _______ animals you shoot (fill in your politically correct terminology), then what do you do with them? If you just leave them to rot......then aren't you treating them as trash?

From your definition I don't see why you aren't shooting out all the pheasants, axis deer, African game, water buffalo, horses, pigs etc in North America? They are all introduced as well. What about domestic stock. Don't they compete with native wildlife as well? Trash too I guess.

If it's legal to hunt them and I have permission to do so, then, yes, I hunt them! Unfortunately, access to areas that contain the animals you mentioned is usually restricted. We don't have any free roaming axis deer, African game, water buffalo, wild horses or pheasants where I live. I do kill a feral hog when I can. Domestic stock is, by definition, owned by someone....so it's not legal to shoot them, surely you can understand that simple concept? It is clear that you either: 1. don't have a clue how things work over here, or 2. you are trying to make your point with a stupid argument that does not have any application to the original question! If I had the opportunity to hunt the kind of animals that I asked about in my first post, I would be hunting them!

Anyway this isn't your country so what does it matter what your opinion is of what we "should" be doing with our game?

Were you drunk when you typed this post? I don't know where you got the idea that I was giving any opinion of what your country should be doing with its "game"?

Learn to read! I asked about opportunities to hunt in your country.....period! You got your panties in a wad over a word I used to describe some of the animals that you hunt. For some bizarre reason, you are pissed off at a perceived insult that never existed and you are now to the point of being irrational and making a complete fool of yourself!

Macawber

And when the introduced ferals are all shot out, or exterminated with selective viral diseases, all of us hunters will be very empty in spirit.

Is this the real reason for your tirade? Are you afraid that too many people will come to your country and shoot up all your "game", leaving you with nothing to hunt?

Get real and get help!

Hey NitroX

Before you start accusing me of being "disrespectful" towards animals, you might just want to look in the mirror!

All quotes by NitroX in his own "respectful"(?) words:

Will be setting off from Adelaide and Sydney and meeting at the Walgett area of New South Wales for up to a week to blast a few porkers with big bore cannons.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Aust Hunting&Number=425&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Whats wrong with the army boys - don't they use the roos as mobile target practice on the ranges anymore ?
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Aus tHunting&Number=3434&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Just point me in the right direction of these hordes of hogs and bloody slaughter will ensue.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Aus tHunting&Number=3304&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Yep Nitro, sounds like you really respect your quarry!

[ 07-10-2003, 19:29: Message edited by: GonHuntin ]

Don't see the word "trash" anywhere?

I noted your original answer to my question was not a reason, merely an excuse.

"Amry boys using roos as target practice" - obviously said tongue in cheek as I and the person it was addressed too, know full well that any service personnel shooting native wildlife without legal authorisation would be in deep shit. When the roo cull happens on the base, most of the roos will be left to rot. That is a fact of life and the law.

"blast porkers with big bore cannons" - what is disrespectful with that?

"bloody slaughter" - paraphrasing Shakespeare. He was an English author, playwright in the 16th Century. (just in case)

Now back to the original comment above. I don't see the word "trash" anywhere?

Descriptive words used:

"porkers" - a common word used for domestic pigs as they produce "pork", and "porkers" is especially used for younger pigs ready for slaughter and eating. Nothing disrespectful here.

"roos" - a shortened version of the word - "kangaroo" - nothing disrespectful here .

"hogs" - a common word for pigs, especially in the USA. Nothing disrespecful here

I'm confused

.... nitro... sounds to me like you're just looking for something to be pissed about... I read his post, and very reasonably assumed he was talking about "non-big-game" animals... judging from the way you talk about "slaughtering" hogs, it's YOU that has no respect for the "non-big-game" animals....
gonhuntin sounds to me like he respects animals, and hunts animals.. just like most of the rest of us.... you want to quibble over his use of a word that YOU might not use, when in context, he appears to be very much the sportsman. I think you're being just a little too self-righteous... and I think you owe gonhuntin an apology..... how silly.

NitroX yes selective viruses might be developed that could eliminate some animals. I hope not, but I don't have any confidence in the land managers we have as they will take the easy way out. For example they would rather poison ferals, rather than allow hunting of these animals on there turf. Where I live Kangaroos are starving to death, to many. No shooting allowed. The greenies would start agitating if they heard about the culls. This has to be kept quiet.
I'm quite sure GonHuntin mean't no disrespect to the animals mentioned and I feel that you both respect wildlife. We shoot them but we care a whole lot about them and there continuance if were hunters.

Macawber

I think what you say is very true. Our wildlife managers believe everything native is sacred and everything introduced must be exterminated.

When wild populations are starving surely it is a good idea to reduce numbers so the survivors are stronger and disease less likely to kill off a higher proportion of the population. With, for example ducks and kangaroos so capable of regenerating numbers why when there is a drought do they reduce shooting !!! Duck shooting for example has been shown to really not impact the overall population at all, whereas lack of suitable water does.

As the feral numbers become more controllable, I don't really see the need to exterminate them. If they can be controlled, then control them and manage any damage they do. We would then be able to keep our sport even if quality becomes more important than quantity, don't you think?

I wonder when us hunters in Aust will wake up to ourselves and lobby pro-actively to be able to sport hunt kangaroos? (other than in Qld). They are a serious hunting proposition especially if bowhunted.

As for "Gonhunin", I will drop the matter, as it was not intended to be a big issue and was a very minor comment. Thanks for the mediation

Now I probably start another avalanche here, but I can't help myself and it's friday and I'm leaving work in 10 minutes so I wont see the result until monday

quote:

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They certainly aren't game animals, so tell me, what would you call non-native animals that compete with native animals, damage the ecosystem and generally make a nusiance of themselves?
Targets?

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Here's my answer:
I'd call them HUMANS

Ms. T. Happy:

Aha, so that means you are game....

Hey, gatogordo, now I'm offended!

I'm BIG game

NitroX,

I am glad to see this settling down. I have known and hunted with GonHuntin for years. I can assure you that GonHuntin has immense respect for all the game he has hunted over the past 30 or so years. As he stated, he did not mean anything by the use of that word. I have seen many Aussie's use much worse describing the various feral animals hunted down there.

No harm, no foul........

Lighten up a bit, mate!

Good Hunting,

Bob

Ms. T. Happy:

Are you dangerous as well?

MS T Happy is seriously dangerous big game

NitroX I agree with you on all points, but will the wildlife managers? Much easier to poison and keep tabs on a professional shooter.
Ms T Happy, yes your right the demands of people have destroyed most of the worlds environment. Some how theres got to be a limit to population growth. What we should be aiming for is quality of life not quantity.

Nitrox.... I guess I misspoke earlier... I thought this was a forum, where all comments were welcome... I didn't realize one had to be part of the original "argument" to participate. For the record, I DID read the whole post...from the beginning.. which is what prompted me to make the statements I made.... which, by the way, in retrospect, I still stand by.
This is not intended to start, or continue an argument... I have no animosity toward you... I just happen to disagree with your seemingly overly-harsh criticism of someone else's choice of words. The term "trash" when referring to animals is fairly common here... and it generally means a non-game animal... such as sparrows, meadowlarks, etc, when hunting dove or quail.... "don't shoot at that one.. it's just a trash bird".... I'm sure there are terms and colloquialisms that are specific to Australia that Americans wouldn't understand at all... but to criticize you for using them would be (to my understanding) an inexcusably arrogant thing to do. Perhaps we should exchange a lexicon of really strange things we say... it might be amusing...
anyway... I gotta go to the store... I don't care if it hare-lips the governor..... adios amigo....

[ 07-12-2003, 06:07: Message edited by: hornetguy ]

hornetguy,

Got to agree with you. Guess we'd all be rollin' in sawdust about now...

hornetguy

I didn't intend to participate in this thread anymore, but your posts remind me of a wannabee desparate to jump in and join a foray.

I usually don't visit the BG Forum much and probably will less again. Never seems to be much actual hunting discussions going on. Just had a look at the last 50 posts of the two posters above

[ 07-12-2003, 08:15: Message edited by: NitroX ]

GonHuntin

I'm not that big. The biggest part on me is probably my mouth

I'm sure that some guys don't agree that you're in the top of the food chain. I know them by name: Ms P. Bear, Mr B. Croc and Sir M. Lion probably see things from another angle

The "angle" they would see is the muzzle of my 416 Rigby......I have a feeling I could make them more agreeable with it!

GonHunting,

I've dropped you a private e-mail, actually related to your original question!

Regards,

Frans Diepstraten

not much to say after nitrox's last gracious post... exept, ..well..... bye.

hornetguy

While from looking at GonHuntin's posts (nice elk) I can well see he may well venture down South on a hunt, I doubt you get out from behind your keyboard much and then only to the range. Try those hills out there. They can be quite nice.

I think I will read more posts as I see I truly outclassed and corresponding with some masters of the art of shooting and hunting as the following quotation shows:

From "Shooting with Hobie"

quote:

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What have I learned at Accurate Reloading? Well, let's see:

4. There are lots of people out there that know much less than I do about nearly everything.

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Jaysus

Well I'm going hunting down under, I should have gone this morning but my driver door on my rover wouldn't open so I had to fix it. I'm going Sambar hunting for the next week, it will be good to be back in the Sambar country again. I have a young Drahthaar pup , my old Labrador with me and my son. The boy wants to head off at 3 am in the morning, but I said 4am. Well is there nothing better than going hunting. Hope I have something to report when I come back.

GonHuntin, maybe Ms P. Bear and the others would hesitate hit by your .416, but Mr M. Buff, Mr R. Rhino and Ms L. Ephant could tell us otherwise. But at least you'd still be on the top of the foodchain, they would'nt think of eating you even though lying served mauled on the ground...

I'm just pulling your leg...don't be mad. It's sunday and I'm bored...no hunting - it's summer and the woods has to be left in peace...

Ms. T

I'm not even remotely mad......I knew you were just having a good time....same as me!

Something tells me a 416 to the brain would give anything that walks an attitude adjustment!

If they did smash me into a wet spot, all I can say is I'd die doing what I like to do best....can't think of a much better way to go!

[ 07-14-2003, 03:13: Message edited by: GonHuntin ]