I've tried stating my position in various ways but rarely find satisfaction with that course as it is similar to talking to someone who is just plain "anti-gun" no matter what. They make up and answer their own questions to their own satisfaction. Their best tool is usually "emotional clatter" and they seem to have hours and hours to vent BS likely due to all the spare time allowed by not having a well-rounded life.

Do you ignore them as they really aren't worth the time or do you spend the hours and hours necessary to go toe to toe, playing their games while making your points?

If it is onthe internet, I like beating them up a bit...

In person, I try to supply them with the truth, and give stats.

many times, I've said "Would you kill your family, friends, or strangers simply because you were pissed off? if you wopuldn;t do so, please give me the same consideration."

Sometimes, you just have to give up.

Gatehouse,
I know of at least one person on this board,who'd answer your question with a "yes".

Nebraska,
Ignoring them,ain't going to do much.They just re-register with a new name and start over.I think the only thing one can do,is tolerate them.

Brian.

Maybe we should pool our resources and have a push. I'm sure we can find a few reliable shooters here to place the perfect shot.
Now if we could agree on the right bullet???

Ignoring trolls works for me. However this forum does not have active moderators so perhaps some here are doing a service for me by arguing with them or whatever your doing.

I handle it just like a wrong number and don't reply.

I don't have enough time to even participate in all of the interesting posts. Remember that paying any attention at all to a "bad" person gives them attention and that's their need.

Just ignore them.

This is all just part of the game, so don't let it bother you. These guys get a whole lot braver and badder with a computer screen to hide behind anyway, so take some of this stuff with a grain of salt. They can become experts on animals they've never hunted, cartridges they've never used, rifles they've never hunted with, and the cock-of-the-bloody-walk merely by pressing a set of buttoms. No one has any power over you that you don't hand over by your own free choice, so give them NOTHING, and by all means, stand tall.....

AD

Nebraska: Shouldn't your question be how do you deal with a poster that makes snide, ill informed and mean spirited postings - like yourself!
Now in fact you are the person that has made snide, ill informed and mean spirited remarks on this forum and they were directed at me! And I ask you to make a mature decision and apologize for doing so and promise not to make snide, ill informed and mean spirited remarks to other posters that are trying to be helpful and share knowledge and experiences in the future.
Now if you want to make those snide, ill informed and mean spirited remarks and then edit the remarks from this forum then perhaps you are the problem!
And if anyone wants to review the snide, ill informed and mean spirited remarks YOU have made -I have copies of them!
This is a tawdry and immature thing you are doing Nebraska - for no reason trying to offend and besmirch a poster here and then trying to shuffle off blame on the innocent party! You are pathetic! You owe the people on this board an apology! Even if you are not mature enough to apologize to me.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

To save you some work, here's the pertinent excerpts from the thread in question minus my posts I deleted out of respect for Mark V. If I mis-pasted anything, let me know and I'll correct the thread. If you add my comments where they belong, I'll delete this post.

Mark V
Hi,
I am new in this forum, so forgive me if this is chewed through allready.
I was just wandering if you have chance to own only two rifles for all of your lifetime - what calibre would it be ??
You don't know beforehand what type of game or where you would be hunting - this is the point. Select calibres that can bring the pot full of meat in any conditions, plains, bush, Alaska, Africa...
My choice:
- 7x57
- 9.3x62
Should be sufficient in any conditions IMHO. I am traditionalist and do believe that most good things have been invented a looooong time a go.
Regards, Mark V

VarmintGuy
If the nightmare of a two Rifle "rest of my life" were to actually happen - I would immediately commit Hari Kari! Don't even talk like two Rifles! EVER!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Mark V
Hi,
Interesting answers. I'm sorry (again) if some of you feel this question is out of reality. I don't think so. Many people own only few rifles and i don't really think that answers "we will not want live in world that allows only 2 rifles" are too realistic - if it would be reality would there really be mass-suicide ??
IMHO The hunter who has two good rifles build around controlled feed action, and has used them for, let's say 2 decades is 10 times deadlier than a man who owns 29 rifles and tries to use all of them in hunting. Just my opinion...
Regards, Mark V

Nebraska
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VarmintGuy
MarkV: Try as I might, and over the last few days I have racked my brains trying to remember even ONE Hunter I know that only owns TWO RIFLES! I am selling a collection right now for a widow who's husband was killed recently in a traffic accident here in Montana. He was a relatively young man and not afluent at all - he had 23 Rifles! I have sold all but 7 of his Rifles and all these recent buyers also owned several other Rifles. I went "back home" just before Christmas a few weeks ago. While out in Seattle a friend of a friend of mine died suddenly. His widow wanted the Guns sold. I helped out as I already had reservations at a Gun Show. Again this was a "not wealthy man" and he had 18 Guns mostly Rifles. They were virtually all sold (quickly) to myself and guys that owned other Rifles. I now live in Big Game Heaven here in the Rocky Mountains. Everyone I know here owns several Rifles. Prior to moving to Montana I was a decades long member and served for 9 years as a director for a 16,000 member Gun Collecters society in Washington State. Virtually none of the members I knew owned just 2 Rifles! In addition I have Big Game Hunted and Varmint Hunted in all the western states of America and never ran across a serious Hunter that owned just 2 Rifles! Not once! I had an F.F.L. for many years and sold LOTS of Guns. Most all the people I sold Rifles to bought more than one Rifle over the years - just from me. I never really sold a Rifle to someone that wanted to fill out his "2 Rifle all around set". I am sure that across the world there are a lot of folks that own just 2 Rifles (and Heaven forbid some that own JUST ONE RIFLE!)! Good for them. But to intimate that someone that owns a lot of Rifles is not much of a Rifleman is... just goofy! I own at least 150 Rifles and I will match my proficiency with Rifles and record of Big Game and/or Varmint Hunting with you anyday! I shoot (when the wind permits) several times a month! Firing 30 to 60 rounds from my Rifles an outing. In addition I Hunt year round starting with Spring Bear Hunting then Antelope in early fall then Deer and Elk in the long fall season here (6 weeks long). I often Hunt other western states and Alaska when I feel the need! Many times I have Hunted 3 states in one year for Big Game alone. My Varmint Safaris occur year round and often include 4 states per trip. Right now I am awaiting better snow conditions to round out the year Hunting Mountain Lions. I have Hunted Fox, Coyote and Bobcat in the last 30 days. Last week I went along while my friend Hunted Buffalo (my freezer is already bursting at the seams!) I did not actively Hunt but was the back-up shooter by the way with a very rare Winchester Model 1895 in 405 Winchester caliber! Just off hand I know I have killed in excess of 200 head of Big Game including Moose, Elk, Mule Deer, Whitetailed Deer, Blacktailed Deer, Antelope, Black Bear and Mt. Goat. I do not feel my large battery of Firearms detered in anyway my efficient harvest of these fine Animals! Quite the contrary in fact!
I am proud to say the last several head of Big Game I havetaken were all killed with one well placed shot from a Rifle suited to that Game!
And now to prove I am a good sport I will enter into your NIGHTMARE scenario of a 2 Rifle battery with these two choices: 240 Weatherby and 7mm Remington Magnum. These two fine calibers are capable of very good accuracy and very flat trajectories. They have worked well for me in the past on Game and should the need arise, could fulfill most of my Hunting needs.
Long live America!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Mark V
VarmintGuy,
Thanks for your long and detailed post. I have never said that man who owns a lot of rifles isn't a good rifleman. I just said that man hunting only with 2 rifles is deadlier than a man who tries to use dozens of different rifles in hunting.
IMHO To know your weapon thoroughly and how it shoots is much more important than the theoretical advantages that some particular weapon/calibre has compared to some other weapon. There is big difference between 60 rounds or 2000 rounds under your belt with the rifle you are using.
Regards, Mark V

Nebraska
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VarmintGuy
Mark V: You are welcome! But your argument is not convincing - in the words of the legions of American attorneys your argument is specious (full of words but no specifics or facts and without merit!). Lets forget me for now and concentrate lets say on my retired civil servant friend Ben. He is not a wealthy man and has 3 children. An average but dedicated Hunter! Ben is 55 years old and has been retired for 6 years (his wife still works!). He has Hunted all over North America and 3 Canadian Provinces! He has 2 Trophy Dall Sheep on the walls of his home along with a Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep, a Stone Sheep (3/4's of a Grand Slam there!), a monster Moose from Alaska, a Kodiak Bear rug, a Brown Bear rug, a Black Bear head mount, two types of Caribou, 2 Trophy Bull Elk (6X6's) and a 7X7 Bull Elk (that I was with him when he took), a 29" Mule Deer, a Boone & Crockett Mt. Goat, a European style mounted Walrus and several Antelope. This guy loves to Hunt and has to make sacrifices to enjoy his Hunting. He dreams of Hunting Africa but can not yet afford to! Again I would call him a dedicated Hunter! His arsenal of Rifles conists of a small safe full! I am not sure of what all he has in the way of Rifles but I know he has these calibers as I have been with him when he used them. 6mm Remington, 270 Winchester, 30/06, 300 Winchester Magnum, 338 Winchester Magnum and a 338/378 Weatherby Magnum. Like I say I am not sure what all he has but I know he has these. This past fall he took Big Game with 3 different Rifles! And we are both wating for conditions to improve so we can get back out Hunting for Cougar. He is proficient and familiar with all his Rifles. Other than being knocked unconscious by his 338/378 last year shooting at a 6X6 Bull Elk, I have never seen him falter while using any of his Guns! The incident last year was this - he was shooting uphill, prone and at a steep angle with the big magnum. Apparently snow got between his Rifle butt and his shoulder. The Rifle "slipped" during recoil and gave him a bloody forehead and a short nap! This neccesitated a long trip to a hospital and several stitches. So maybe he made an "unfamiliarity" type error there but all Hunters are human! I guess to prove my point I must challenge you - if you are ever in Montana during our long Big Game season I will let you pick out which one of my Rifles I would Hunt with that day. I am quite certain I could handle it well! As a matter of fact I know lots of folks here that have two different Rifles just for Elk Hunting. And they will often use them both during the same day of Hunting! They use their longer ranged higher scope powered Rifle in the morning and evening Hunt then take a different Rifle into the bedding thickets during the day. Also the Elk Hunters in the far NW part of our state (where its heavily forested and very few parks) use the thicket type Rifle more often and when and if they go and Hunt in the more open parts of the state use their longer range rigs. I have two different Rifles I use for Whitetail Deer Hunting - if I am going to drive or stalk a river bottom or Hunt from a tree stand I use my short barreled Winchester Model 88 with 2X7 scope in 308 Winchester. But when I am Hunting the cultivated fields and pastureland on the bench's above the river bottoms I use my 25" barreled custom Winchester Model 70 in 280 Remington with 4X12 powered scope. Remember the Model 88 is a lever action and the Model 70 is of course a bolt action. I have no trouble handling them. Again I think your argumment is ambiguos (not clearly defined) and specious (lacking merit). Lets go Hunting sometime!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Nebraska
Re-post to be supplied by VarmintGuy.

VarmintGuy
Nebraska: I was checking my calendar here (the big ones put out by Remington each year) and I make notes on it every year regarding when and where I Hunt. And I have done this for many years. I save those calenders from year to year not only for the wonderful art on them but the references for future years - where I went and on what date! Since last January I have been on two very successful Buffalo Hunts, a spring Bear Hunt (10 days), continuing with Big Game for the last year I then Hunted Antelope for 9 days, then I virtually Hunted the whole Montana Big Game season for Deer and Elk (this season was 36 days long - I did not miss a day with the exception of a few travel days!) then continuing with Big Game starting December 1st and continuing on into the future til quotas are filled the Cougar season is going! In addition this past year I gleefully Hunted Hungarian Partridge, Pheasants, Sharptails, Sage Grouse, 3 kinds of woodland Grouse and Turkeys! I have spent SO many days afield Hunting Game Birds tis year (I got my best ever Gobbler this fall - remember 1 Turkey in the spring and another in the fall is legal here in Montana). And Waterfowl! I have killed both Geese and Ducks til I was sated this past year. Now Nebraska, I will get into my Varmint Hunting a little. Many of my Varmint Hunts are combined with scouting for Big Game (Deer, Elk, Bear and Antelope) and Turkey Hunting! I have actively Hunted and was licensed for Bobcat along with the no license needed Hunting for Rock Chucks, Coyotes, Fox, Prairie Dogs, Ground Squirrels, three kinds of Rabbits, Badgers, Skunks and numerous Flying Varmints.
For a total days afield Hunting last year of 155 days! These days are a dream come true for me and I relish them. I wish you perhaps knew what you were talking about when you make mean spirited and ill informed statements. I would be happy to hear how many days Hunting afield your cousin spends. And I will resist putting my foot in my mouth (like you just did) regarding evaluating your cousin because I do not know him and maybe thats not my job. I will make ths blanket statement regardng your cousin I bet he would LIKE to have a few more Rifles! I know nothing about your cousin and will not comment on his experiences or Hunting habits! Perhaps you have made THIS mistake in your snap assessment of me - you do not realize I can and have hundreds of times spent a full day (dawn til dark) afield Hunting Big Game, Varmints, Game Birds or Waterfowl and be back in my home here in Hunting Heaven (SW Montana) in time to peruse the puter for some Hunting tips and such. Yeah I CAN and do Hunt and compute on the same day! In the past 30 days I have Hunted - Bobcat, Coyote, Fox, Cougar, Ducks, Geese and Buffalo! Hmmm! I think you are just wrong Nebraska! And maybe check your attitude at the keyboard next time! Just regale me with your opinions and experiences! I promise I will (if the situation warrants) respond to you in a positive and mature manner with specifics and positive points. I will not make an ill informed and ambiguous attack on you!
Lets go Hunting sometime!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Nebraska
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Mark V
Guys, guys. Peace.
Let's not make this a (pissing) contest. The issue here is not to compare our invidual skills.
Regards, Mark V

VarmintGuy
Nebraska: I did not think you would respond directly to my specific refutation of your ambiguous and mean spirited post! Typical! I won't give my fingers a rest - you have nothing to say or do in regards to my behavior. Speaking of behavior your parents should have done a little better job with you. When it is shown an ADULT should apologize and does not that is a sign of immaturity! Again I open my self to an apology from you. Do not over estimate your self importance (ego). If you do not have anything positive to say or think about my posts then make a mature decision for youself and just don't read them. That perhaps is to simple a concept for someone as intellectual as yourself. I feel sorry for you and other immature people (site pests) like yourself - having to interject your ill informed, ambiguous, immature and snide remarks in a forum that is supposed to be about sharing experiences, asking questions and helping each other. Nothing positive about your attitude so far - so I will again suggest leave your petty attitude on your side of the keyboard until you have learned some manners and good intentions!
I take back my invitation to come Hunting with me. I do not think you would be pleasant company!Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Nebraska
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Current Post
VG...those tactics won't work. You have my number if you'd like to spew in person.

VarmintGuy
Nebraska: Then I take it you still refuse to admit your ill informed, snide and mean spirited remarks to me are inappropriate for this forum! And apparently you have made the decision not to apologize. Typical!
Keep your phone number to yourself. I have plenty of mature and positive people to talk to both on the phone and online.
And no comment from you will affect the length or content of my positive postings. Having said that your rude and ambiguous statements will not keep me from responding to ill informed, snide and mean spirited (in kind if the need be) comments directed at me from you or anyone else.
Yes if I were you I would immediately delete all your postings in this thread!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

[ 01-27-2003, 10:16: Message edited by: Nebraska ]

I forgot to mention the tactic of demonization that is so common among bullies and trolls. Oh well.....there it is for all to see if VarmintGuy can live up to his word and supply all my posts. We'll see!!

VarmintGuy,

Please don't take this wrong. I'm serious about letting the other members make the call. I'm not out to make enemies, especially over BS, or misunderstandings and I'm not afraid to say I'm sorry when it's warranted. In your case, I don't feel it's warranted. As a matter of fact, I think you went off the deep end. With ALL the posts listed for review, I think we'll get a pretty good idea of the situation.

I wouldn't order anything yet. You might be surprised at the outcome.

[ 01-27-2003, 10:14: Message edited by: Nebraska ]

Nebraska,

you made a mistake in one of your above post. Perhaps you should reread and correct it.

ncboman.... ....it was tough enough reading it the first time don't ya think?

Help me out on that. I'd be glad to change any mistakes.