Ann,

When I use to hunt on public land in Wisconsin, I sat up a tree stand on public land. One was not required to put their name or address on it.

I have come out and found people in my tree stand. I have also been out stalking and hunting and came across other tree stands that were empty and used them for a while.

In both cases,I have had people in mine, and I have had people come while I was in theirs. IN both instances, I have told the person in mine to keep using it for a while and I will just stalk hunt for a while., and I have had others tell me to use theirs for a while as they did the same thing.

We are all fellow hunters, and no one got their shorts in a knot over it. More of the conversation centered around, have you seen anything?

Only problem I ever had was some guy from Chicago was in my stand. He pointed out that he was there first. I pointed out that I had built it. In told him to use it a couple of hours and I would be back and actually told him I would stalk hunt for a while and told him I would take this certain path around the swamp, so if anything was there, I would drive it his way.

At first he wanted to argue because that I guess is the urban way. When he saw I was not being an asshole about it and would actually help potential drive something his way, he was real surprised and happy.

I was back in 2 hours, he thanked me for letting him sit in the stand, and offered to even give me some money for lettting him stay up there. I told him it wasn't necessary, just good luck with his hunt and hoped he had better luck than in my stand as he had not got a shot off at anything.

That was the attitude of 90 % of the people I ran into hunting in Northern Wisconsin. I have gotten lost and wandered on posted property and have been confronted by the owner. I just apologized and told him if he could point me in the right direction I would be more than happy to vacate his property.

Not being an asshole to them, I never got any anger or vengence from them whatsoever. People were very easy going in Northern Wisconsin.

cheers
seafire

I heep seeing *** You are ignoring this user *** when AC posts, don't know exactly what he means by that?

Interesting observation by Ann about who's hunting what. It has happened here in the Windy State, no reason I see the rest of the country is immune. I won't be second guessing this myself, that will be the job of forensics specialists etc. Hopefully they recovered a bullet from the "first" incident for ballistics comparison.

I will say this about the background of the Vang guy. There was a writeup in one of the news articles linked here on the subject, that stated he was in the Army, I presume they meant US Army. I would be willing to bet a grand that is incorrect. Most likely he was one of thousands amongst the hill tribes throughout in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam, and Laos that were put into play by the CIA and Special Forces during the Viet Nam war. I would not say they were necessarily like Kurtz's army in Apocolypse Now, but in essence they were hired, armed, and sicced on the NVA. They were brutal, fearless and so effective that they are still being persecuted today. Their allegience to the U.S. was their passport to this country after the fall of Saigon as they were certain to face death otherwise. To assume that they would adjust to our ways and standards was/is silly. Many have, many are still mired in the past I suppose. I don't think he was necessarily hunting hunters, but circumstances make one suspicious. I do think that a person from that background is far more likely to take that step than perhaps the average Joe from Black Rock. Race has little to do with that, but ethnic origins/background might. Vang came from a very dark place where life had little value.

And I don't think one is racist or a bigot to say any of this or to comment on the ruses used by multilingual immigrants as they deal with our system. Being a minority or having some other aspect of your life that sets one apart does not imbue superior status as a citizen in this country, even though the button is often pushed at any chance. This one of many reasons I'm adamantly opposed to immigration of any sort for any reason into the US. I don't think it makes me bigotted, but I am tired of footing the bill, and getting this crap in return.

Old Miami cop joke: Q: How do you get more English out of a Marielito? A: Hit him a little harder.

A very telling joke I think, on many levels. I heard it from my Columbian Supervisor.......

A.C.:

The property is in south central Oregon, near the California border., It is owned , and our family leases it out to others for grazing.

Seafire was born in 1952, so he has not been 25 or 30 for quite a while.

My family, meaning my parents, live in Southern California in the winter and at Lake Tahoe in the summer. They own a home in both places.

My dad is a retired Air Force Colonel who was a pilot for 26 yrs, retiring in 1974. Our home state was Virginia originally.

I myself have a Medical background and a sales background.
I own a small medical company, that supports seniors.
Most of my medical experience in sales was working in cardiology, ie: open heart surgery cases and coronary angioplasty.

After 5 yrs of college getting a degree in PreLaw, I decided not to go to law school, for moral and ethical reasons, and instead was in the Army where I was trained as a paramedic, an LPN and later an RN. Spent a brief time in the Army Rangers before deciding to opt out and finish my time in the National Guard.

I also have about 4 yrs worth of graduate level business courses but have not applied them toward an MBA.

Feel free to criticize any of the above to show that I am a racist and bigot and some uneducated YOUTHFUL, fool.

seafire

It is starting to look like this suspect really wasn't out to hunt deer. Perhaps he deliberately took a position on private land to provoke an incident or just to seek out other hunters as targets?

So your DNR sets up tree stands for you all to use? Wow! Is all I can say to that. However, I would still prefer to do my own scouting, etc and decide where to put my stand.

Seafire, he's not a Montagnard, didn't say he was. He's Hmoung. I understood him to be in his late 40's, perhaps that is wrong. I would speculate in any case, he and/or his parents undoubtedly came over in '75 or there abouts, when the war ended. Direct involvement with SF/CIA was about the only ticket to the World for those folks. As I said in the previous post he WAS credited with being in the Army. I'm not sure what his age is at this point.

You may not have understood my intent, I was NOT excusing him for his actions, just looking at background. One does not normally turn a wolf loose in the sheep pen....... Assuming an adjudication of guilt, I would hope for the capital penalty.

And I do hope you realize that very young children were involved in the process I described above? There was precious little innocence in those hills...

I am not an American, although I have close relatives who are native-born Yanks and our ancestors came to the USA (and Canada) in the mid-17th Century. I actually have ancestors who fought on both sides in the 1776-'83 and 1812-'14 Wars and am, generally speaking, pretty pro-American.

In my opinion, the USA should NOT admit ANY MORE immigrants, period; your great country is densely populated as it is and you do NOT owe any bunch of foreigners the "right" to enter your country. Here in Canada, I want to see VERY tight curbs on immigration with ONLY people of spotless background and within 18-45 yrs. from NorthWestern European ethnic backgrounds allowed in, to a maximum of 50,000 per annum.

If, this desire to keep, protect and maintain my ethno-cultural heritage makes me a "bigot" and "racist", then, what are the sweatstinking, lawbreaking, terrorist supporting foreigners who constantly insist that their "cultural values" must take precedence over REAL Canadian and American ones, due to political chicanery in the form of "multiculturalism"? We are being overrun and our nations are being destroyed by the flood of foreigners from the over-populated sewers of Asia, Africa and so forth. We have a fundamental birthright to preserve what is ours and I, for one, want to do just that.

The only exception I would make is to allow Canadians and Americans to visit and live in each other's countries with reasonable regulation of this by a Can-Am joint taskforce.
I have had enough of radical Sikhs, terrorist Muslims, dope-dealing Hispanics (a family of these live right beside me) and welfare-cadging Africans, let 'em all go HOME!

I read that he was a member of a National Guard Unit for 6 years,,,California if memory serves. He recieved a marksman badge but his main duties were those of clerk. This suggests a long time in the US and one would expect knowledge of English.

Dan,

No negative intentions were made in my comments. I am aware you are quite aware of the situation and that you told me once before in a PM that you were a chopper pilot in Nam.

Correct me if I am wrong but were not the Montegnards the same as the Hmong anyway, from Laos?

I don't think anyone on here supports this guy or makes excuses for his actions except the usual "protest anything and everything crowd of self professed liberals".

cheers
seafire

Vang is 36 years old. From the PC statement...

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Records check of the back tag indicated that the tag was registered to Chai Vang 09-24-1968, 810 4th ST
E, St Paul MN 55106. 5�04� 145 lbs black hair and brown eyes. Vang was later arrested and was in
possession of this back tag. The Asian male from this point will be referred to as Vang.....

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The date in bold is his birth date.

Aspen Hill..



Thats a very interesting observation.



"provoke a incident"



These asian hunters are inteligent , and play ignorant. They know the hunting and fishing regulations and laws. They purposely brake the laws and tresspass and play the "I dont understand" game, or "Im lost game".



Some people get inner satisfaction that they can out smart and provoke americans, the american system and laws.



When they get away with brakeing laws , and murdering people, its a rush to them , they proof to them selfs that they can provoke and out wit americans. They feel superiour.



They know the laws and that trespassing is illegal , but they do it anyways. They know they will be confronted when they break the laws. They injoy provokeing incidents. They have back up plans already set in their mind. Its like a chess game to them, they know they can outsmart "us".



Vang knew he was doing wrong when he trespassed and used someone elses tree stand. He new he would be confronted , thats why he had a assult rifle and a 20 round clip , and more extra amunition. He knows he needs only to carry 1-3 rounds to bag a deer. The assult rifle and all that extra ammo wasnt to bag a deer it was to shoot at his confronters that he knew would show up and confront him.

Dan:

A little math will tell one that Vang was not a Montenyard at all. He is 36 so he was born in 1968. Vietnam was over in 75 when he was 7.

He has been in this country at least 25 years as the Vietnamese and Laotians and Cambodians were not exactly letting these people come to the USA at that point.

Since he has been in the USA most of this life, there is no excuse or I don't KNOW or I don't understand, etc.

Back to what I said earlier, In their cultures what we consider Illegal means don't do it, means to them, don't get caught.

To me, permenantly put him in a wheelchair and deport him to Vietnam. He can try and survive in his native culture instead of milking all the loopholes in our society that all the liberals give him.

seafire

Ann,



Perhaps he didn't know he was on private property! Perhaps he just saw a vacant tree stand and thought "this is a nice bait I'll just climb up here and see what happens".



GSP7,

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These asian people are inteligent , and play ignorant. They know the hunting and fishing regulations and laws. They purposely brake the laws and tresspass and play the "I dont understand" game, or "Im lost game".



They get inner satisfaction that they can out smart and provoke americans, the american system and laws.

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That statement of yours is disgusting, what a bigot you must be!!



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