A couple of friends and myself are contemplating a DIY Pronghorn hunt to Wyoming. I really don’t even know where to start with research. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Start looking in the eastern part of the state. I believe unit 24 has some public land. You must hunt the opening day.

Join www.gohunt.com

I am a member, but don't get anything financially tied to me if you do.

You will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff on Wyoming's antelope hunts. And every other western state.

There are quite a few areas to apply that have public land, and decent success with what should be 50% chance of getting a non-resident Special $500 tag with no points.

If you apply as a group and one of you gets a drawn you all get drawn. So that is worth considering.

I personally think it is nonsense to pay a trespass fee in Eastern Wyoming, when plenty of tags are available on the more expensive $500 tag in Central Wyoming and tons of public land.

A 12 inch goat from Eastern Wyoming is still a goat through.

Antelope are my favorite big game animal. When we return to the US again, I'll be burning points and buying landowner tags to pursue them.

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Originally posted by chuckmaxman:
Start looking in the eastern part of the state. I believe unit 24 has some public land. You must hunt the opening day.

You could probably hunt 24 or 7 (both in Thunder Basin), but if there isn't much left on the National Grasslands you'll wish you had a tag in central Wyoming.

24 and 7 have been traditionally 0 points for the $500 tag.

You could apply for a any deer (mule or whitetail) or whitetail tag in those same two units. Some of the antelope seasons correspond with the 1 Oct deer season in those areas.

You'll want to note that Wyoming has different units for deer, antelope and elk. So anything you apply for will have to be researched to make sure you are indeed applying to hunt antelope and deer in the same area, as they will have different numbers.

Couple other notes:

1. You can buy a GPS program that will help you determine if you are on public land or not. Even old salty Wyomingite's get bit in the ass by this, it is an expensive ticket.

2. You'll want to take a look at what predators can be hunted without a trapping license. Last check badgers required a $400 trapping tag. A lot of antelope hunters get nailed for shooting them in prairie dog colonies without a tag.

3. Gut skin and ice directly after the shot. Antelope meat can quickly taint when the skin is on it.

4. You can hunt checkboard public lands, but can not hop a corner to get to an island public land surrounding by private. If you are hunting public it must be attached to public access via a road or another piece of public.

5. You guys will have higher success in just drawing a tag in a heavily private ownership area. But the demand for antelope tags is generally huge, and it is getting harder to get a tag. in 2017 there were 20 areas that it was possible for most people to draw a tag without points on the cheaper tag. The $500 tag gave access to another 20 units.

So here’s another question....is there another state that would be better to go to? We are not necessarily attached to Wyoming in any way....we just want the best (as in easiest and cheapest) Pronghorn hunt possible.

The info you guys have provided so far is interesting...and certainly different from what I’ve just casually heard from a few folks in Texas. I had no idea there would be a draw involved. Some folks you talk to down here make it sound like it’s so easy it’s stupid...just buy a cheap tag over the counter and then go drive across the billions of acres of public land and shoot your Pronghorn. Obviously that is somewhat of a misconception.

Funny how things get exaggerated...

But that’s exactly why I posted about it here because AR never fails on educating.

Please feel free to offer up your thoughts.

I am very interested in this. Please keep the info coming
I am under the impression after the drawing that tags are sold OTC in Wyoming , and they have a public access to private land program.

Start here:
https://wgfd.wyo.gov/

Game and Fish has draw odds, success rates and a bunch of other stuff on their web site.

The OnXmaps hunt chip will save you a lot of head aches.

I've done the hunt in eastern Wyoming several times and I've always gone a week or two after the opener. On some hunts I haven't run into a single hunter and have only eaten one tag. That tag was in a unit that had been pretty well wiped out by a severe winter the year before.

Sometimes you can get left over doe tags. If you are interested in a little extra meat pick one up.

I hate to say this, but a couple of things have been stated that are not quite accurate or are incorrect. One thing, for example, is that the G&F will not issue a trespassing ticket if it involves corner jumping from one piece of public land to another. It is up to the individual counties to decide since there is nothing on the books in Wyoming saying it's illegal and many won't touch it because of that. Another is that he is completely wrong regarding landowner tags. They cannot be sold or transferred to anyone else and that's the way it's always been in Wyoming. The first thing to do is to go onto the G&F website that the previous post mentioned and it has anything and everything you need to know and if you need any help let me know, as I started hunting out there in 1992 and haven't missed a season since 1998. I have friends in several places out there and spend September and October out there every year and know just about anything you need to know or know where to find it. My best buddy out there that I hunt with and help every year has taken 6 bucks the last 6 years that have gone between 75" and a B&C all time record book one that went 84 4/8", so we know what we're doing when it comes to Wyoming antelope!

I never said Wyoming has land owner tags that are transferrable.

Colorado, Nevada, California, Utah and Texas have transferrable landowner tags.

I know several people that have been fined for jumping corners on checkerboard.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eland Slayer:
So here’s another question....is there another state that would be better to go to? We are not necessarily attached to Wyoming in any way....we just want the best (as in easiest and cheapest) Pronghorn hunt possible.


No state has what Wyoming has. Montana has a lot of tags, but tons of private land. Utah, Nevada and Arizona have tons of public land but not very many tags.

New Mexico actually has a lot of tags, and a lot of public land, but 80-90% of the tags are shut out to non-residents.

Landowner tags in CO and NM are generally $1000-2000, and some of them outfitted are $2500-4500. Depending on how many 92 inch goats are running around.

Utah, Nevada and California antelope private land vouchers are quite a bit more expensive. I have seen several guided hunts with a landowner voucher in those 3 states for $6500. Not sure why?

You can Purchase Preference points. After four years you would get a decent area.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I hate to say this, but a couple of things have been stated that are not quite accurate or are incorrect. One thing, for example, is that the G&F will not issue a trespassing ticket if it involves corner jumping from one piece of public land to another. It is up to the individual counties to decide since there is nothing on the books in Wyoming saying it's illegal and many won't touch it because of that. Another is that he is completely wrong regarding landowner tags. They cannot be sold or transferred to anyone else and that's the way it's always been in Wyoming. The first thing to do is to go onto the G&F website that the previous post mentioned and it has anything and everything you need to know and if you need any help let me know, as I started hunting out there in 1992 and haven't missed a season since 1998. I have friends in several places out there and spend September and October out there every year and know just about anything you need to know or know where to find it. My best buddy out there that I hunt with and help every year has taken 6 bucks the last 6 years that have gone between 75" and a B&C all time record book one that went 84 4/8", so we know what we're doing when it comes to Wyoming antelope!

The only really bad place with checkerboard is along the I-80 corridor. It has to do with train rights of way in the 1800s. There can be checkerboard lands in other places, they just are not as common.

Beyond the G&F cops, there are Bureau of Land Management Uniformed Rangers and Agents, Wyoming State Troopers (who can cite any crime in Wyoming), Forest Service uniformed LEO's and Agents, and the county sherrif's offices of Wyoming's 23 counties.

I have always understood it as trespass to corner hop public lands checkerboard. Maybe things have changed.

I know a guy that was the chief of police in Dubois, undersheriff of Fremont county, a patrol SGT in Natrona County, and ended up retiring as the state staff ranger for the BLM in Wyoming. I'll send him an email and ask him to ask one of his predecessors in the BLM, forest service, F&G, or county SO for the answer. Either way it is worth knowing.

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Originally posted by Slider:
You can Purchase Preference points. After four years you would get a decent area.

This seems to be true, enough turn over that point creep for non-resident seems to keep better than average units to less than 6, and often 4.

"The only really bad place with checkerboard is along the I-80 corridor. It has to do with train rights of way in the 1800s. There can be checkerboard lands in other places, they just are not as common.

Beyond the G&F cops, there are Bureau of Land Management Uniformed Rangers and Agents, Wyoming State Troopers (who can cite any crime in Wyoming), Forest Service uniformed LEO's and Agents, and the county sherrif's offices of Wyoming's 23 counties.

I have always understood it as trespass to corner hop public lands checkerboard. Maybe things have changed.

I know a guy that was the chief of police in Dubois, undersheriff of Fremont county, a patrol SGT in Natrona County, and ended up retiring as the state staff ranger for the BLM in Wyoming. I'll send him an email and ask him to ask one of his predecessors in the BLM, forest service, F&G, or county SO for the answer. Either way it is worth knowing."

***There actually are a ton of other areas besides along the I-80 corridor that are landlocked unless you corner jump and it's that way in most of the other western states too. Also, the G&F lost a case a few years ago in court when a GW issued a trespass ticket involving corner jumping and when that happened the staff was ordered to no longer issue tickets if that's what they get a call on. The only other agency that can issue a ticket for it is a County Sheriff Deputy and only then if they know their County Prosecutor will back them up if a person contests the ticket and goes to court. None of the others you mentioned have the authority to issue a trespass ticket on private property when their job only involves the public land, other than possibly a State Trooper issuing a ticket for parking along an interstate highway to get into public land over the fence and even then it wouldn't be a trespassing ticket that they would issue. I was in LE for over 30 years and I think you'll find I know what I'm talking about here.

The reason I mentioned the landowner tag was because I thought we/you were strictly talking about the state of Wyoming for his best chances at an antelope and you brought it up and didn't say you were talking about states other than Wyoming.

http://billingsgazette.com/new...59-001871e3ce6c.html


CHEYENNE, Wyo.- A new online map that shows state lands in unprecedented detail offers fresh fodder for an old debate in Wyoming over which of those lands are accessible on foot without trespassing on private land.


Many hunters and anglers incorrectly assume "corner hopping" without getting permission from private landowners is a legal way to access isolated state lands, said Bob Wharff, executive director of Wyoming Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife.


Corner hopping is stepping off one piece of public land onto another where the two parcels touch at opposite corners and the other two corners are private land. The question is whether those couple of steps constitute trespassing even if the person's foot never actually touches the private land but just swings over it.



"I've had guys who have gotten very emphatic that it was legal and they could do it," Wharff said. "It is one of those things, I guarantee you, a lot of the public doesn't understand the law."


The law is neither as clear nor settled as it could be, although an abundance of red on the new Office of State Lands and Investments map - red means no public access - suggests where the state stands on the issue.


"It's the way we read our rules and the way we've been advised how to treat that on our access map," said Ryan Lance, director of the state agency.


The "corner hopping" question comes into play when hunters and fly fishermen scope out maps for new opportunities.


Can they move like checker pieces diagonally across Wyoming's vast "checkerboard" of interspersed public and private lands? Or can they reach isolated state sections only if a public road goes there or a private landowner has granted access?


In 2004, an Albany County circuit judge found a man not guilty of corner hopping in a case that drew attention but didn't set a legal precedent because it wasn't a district court ruling.


The hunter was prosecuted under a state law against trespassing for the purpose of hunting or fishing. A separate law covers trespassing generally.


Then Attorney General Pat Crank wrote an opinion in response to the ruling. Intent to hunt or fish on private land was necessary to be guilty under the statute in question, he wrote, but corner hopping without such intent could constitute trespassing under the general trespassing statute.



Lance said his staff consulted with state attorneys on how to interpret Wyoming law while they developed the online map. He said more certainty would require a legal precedent or the Legislature passing a law that specifically says corner hopping is legal or illegal.


"I think those are the two ways you get final clarification and authority on the matter," Lance said. "Until then, we'll be left to our own devices to interpret."


The U.S. Bureau of Land Management doesn't allow corner hopping between BLM lands, said BLM spokeswoman Mary Wilson.



The Wyoming Game and Fish Department is willing and able to investigate suspected corner crossing with intent to hunt or fish and refer those cases to county prosecutors, said Scott Edberg, assistant chief of the department's Wildlife Division.


Not that Game and Fish staff have had many opportunities to do so.


"We have not had a lot of issues with corner crossing," Edberg said.


Recent efforts to either prohibit or allow corner hopping in state law have gotten nowhere. In 2004, a legislative committee considered but decided not to take up a bill that would prohibit corner hopping. Rep. Steve Harshman, R-Casper, and others last session brought a bill that would allow corner hopping. That proposal also didn't get far.


Wharff, of the sportsmen group, said he would support future legislation to allow corner hopping but thinks it's better to work with private landowners to arrange public access to large blocks of state land.


"That, to me, is probably more of a win-win than just telling people you can do what you want," he said.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Hunting/H...Hunting/Antelope-Map

The units with checkerboard are primarily 100, 94, 99, 112, 59, 96, 92, 60, 61, 55, 108, 56, 53, 52, 50, 48, 46, 43, 44 and 38, but only along the I-80 corridor as I said before. Units like 57 and 60 have tons of public that is not checkerboard if you get away from 70.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Hunting/H...Hunting/Antelope-Map

The units with checkerboard are primarily 100, 94, 99, 112, 59, 96, 92, 60, 61, 55, 108, 56, 53, 52, 50, 48, 46, 43, 44 and 38, but only along the I-70 corridor as I said before. Units like 57 and 60 have tons of public that is not checkerboard if you get away from 70.

I think you mean I-80.

Thanks for the catch.

Wade, One option is to look into the options for Texas under the new program. I don't know what it completely entails, but in three regions you can get a free tag at any retail outlet and all you need then is landowner permission. I'm sure that permission comes at a good price, but the areas listed have some nice antelope. There is also an area of the parks and wildlife website that lists landowners and the counties they are in that may have tags they are willing to transfer.

Again, I am sure it is not a "cheap" experience, but might be worth looking out for if the fellows that want to hunt are residents. They will just need a normal deer tag for it.

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Originally posted by larrys:
Wade, One option is to look into the options for Texas under the new program. I don't know what it completely entails, but in three regions you can get a free tag at any retail outlet and all you need then is landowner permission. I'm sure that permission comes at a good price, but the areas listed have some nice antelope. There is also an area of the parks and wildlife website that lists landowners and the counties they are in that may have tags they are willing to transfer.

Again, I am sure it is not a "cheap" experience, but might be worth looking out for if the fellows that want to hunt are residents. They will just need a normal deer tag for it.

Interesting....I'll have to look into that. We are all TX residents.

I would start with intel from WY residents, not those in other countries, experts from Michigan, Wisc, Minnesota, etc who travel there once a year.

Mark knows a guy here, outfitter he books for but solid guy who would steer you in the right direction no doubt.

jjbull,

I would agree. I offer what I can, as I understand it.

I am a Wyoming native, 99% of my family lives in just 3 towns in Wyoming.

The G&F has made their website the easiest to use of any state, and the amount of information on that website is staggering. What is not on the website can be found or paid for.

My family hunts Wyoming every year, and some of the areas we hunt we have hunted since the time when my grandfather moved everyone up from Kansas City during the depression.

Someone living in Wyoming who has been there a while will have more information.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
jjbull,

I would agree. I offer what I can, as I understand it.

I am a Wyoming native, 99% of my family lives in just 3 towns in Wyoming.

The G&F has made their website the easiest to use of any state, and the amount of information on that website is staggering. What is not on the website can be found or paid for.

My family hunts Wyoming every year, and some of the areas we hunt we have hunted since the time when my grandfather moved everyone up from Kansas City during the depression.

Someone living in Wyoming who has been there a while will have more information.

Look, I may not live in Wyoming, but I'm out there at least two months every year and probably know more about Wyoming than most of it's friggin residents! What you posted above is EXACTLY what I stated and that is that corner hopping has nothing in any Wyoming statute saying it's illegal and that's EXACTLY what it said in what you posted. Also, it doesn't take checkerboard lands like you keep mentioning to involve cornerhopping. If you look on a decent map it is just like I said. There are a ton of private lands that ALMOST landlock pieces of public property if you can find what were talking about where two public corners meet. The ranchers hate that there isn't a law against it in Wyoming because they want to keep control of everything in their areas like it's their deeded land. Incidentally, Bob Wharff is a total jerk off that moved from Utah to Wyoming to start a chapter of the SFW for Don Peay and that bunch that want all land privatized for the high rollers that they cater to. As the state of Wyoming sportsmen are finding out what he and SFW are all about SFW has lost almost all of it's Wyoming members. The biggest chapter that was in Cody dropped out of that sorry ass outfit and started their own organization! Everything I have stated in my posts is factual and the gentleman now living in Germany may need to come back to his home state to find out what is actually happening since it sounds like I've spent a lot more time in Wyoming the last few years than he has!
PS: jjbull lives in Montana where there is an actual state statute that makes cornerhopping illegal and we had many spats when he was a member of NAHC and obviously he still has a big problem whenever I state facts! How ya doing jj old buddy?

There is an Wyoming Attorney General opinion floating around that “corner hopping”is illegal from 2004.That has the force of law until a court says otherwise. I found it the other day researching this hunt. I am sure a google search would take you to a secondary source citing it.

There is a program that private landowners can enroll in that grants access to that private land for folks who draw a tag.

I have never been to Wyoming, but this info is accurate. That is my only motivation in posting this.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is an Wyoming Attorney General opinion floating around that “corner hopping”is illegal from 2011.That has the force of law until a court says otherwise. I found it the other day researching this hunt. I am sure a google search would take you to a secondary source citing it.


***Nope, the AG opinion was in 2004 after the G&F lost that case in Albany County and the opinion was that it isn't illegal under the G&F Statues if it involves a person doing it to go hunting or fishing on the public land and has no intent to trespass on the private property itself. I have looked all over and can't find the 2011 AG opinion you mention, so please find an post it.

There is a program that private landowners can enroll in that grants access to that private land for folks who draw a tag.

***That is correct. The G&F pays private land owners to open their land under the "Access Yes" program. One is called WIHA and the other is called A Hunter Management area.

I have never been to Wyoming, but this info is accurate. That is my only motivation in posting this.

***If it's accurate, but you've never even been to Wyoming, then please find and post that 2011 AG opinion that you evidently think supercedes the 2004 AG position that is right in the posted article earlier on this thread.

You I are typing about the same 2004 ruling my fingers, and yes the AG said the person could be guilty of trespassing under a trespass to hunt statute.

But a hypothetical person could still be prosecuted under the General Trespass statute. That General trespass statute is statute Section 6-3-303.

The Albany Conty Court acquittal in 2004 under the trespass to hunt statute is not precedent upon other courts in Wyoming bc it is not a District Court.

Leason, respect landowners and property rights and get permission.

Call and ask Wyoming Fish and Wildlife. They will tell you the same thing.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You I are typing about the same 2004 ruling my fingers, and yes the AG said the person could be guilty of trespassing under a trespass to hunt statute.

But a hypothetical person could still be prosecuted under the General Trespass statute. That General trespass statute is statute Section 6-3-303.

The Albany Conty Court acquittal in 2004 under the trespass to hunt statute is not precedent upon other courts in Wyoming bc it is not a District Court.

Leason, respect landowners and property rights and get permission.

Call and ask Wyoming Fish and Wildlife. They will tell you the same thing.

You just repeated everything that was already posted earlier on this thread and your lesson is BS!!! The only reason a law hasn't been put on the books in each state out west to make it legal without a doubt is because the ranchers have too much political influence with the Legislators that would pass such a law. They think they own all the public land when in actuality every American citizen owns that Federal land. The G&F is also "beholden" to the ranchers because the only way they can do good game surveys is to be allowed to access private land as a part of their annual surveys and that's the only reason they try to tell people to know where you are at all times and not trespass because Wyoming doesn't require land to be posted. You really should go on a hunt out west to see what we're talking about because there are million of acres of OUR public land that is landlocked by private property and a lot of it is easily accessed by corner jumping.

You are not correct. Do not take my word for it read the statute and call Wyoming Fish and Wildlife.

Trespass at your own risk. And no you do not know more than resident s or professionals in the State Fish and Wildlife.

Notice your last post states one cannot trespass on private property to acess public.

Your own words are no Law is on the books that allows the acess you claim. I do not care so much as why a Law is the way it is, rather what is the law before engaging in an activity.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are not correct. Do not take my word for it read the statute and call Wyoming Fish and Wildlife.

Trespass at your own risk. And no, you do not know more than residents or professionals in the Wyou Fish and Wildlife.

No, one cannot trespass on private property to acess public. If one does he is in violation of the statute I cited. That is not BS.

Your own words are no Law is on the books that allows the acess you claim. I do not care so much as why a Law is the way it is, rather what is the law before engaging in an activity.

Call me a liar your an idiot if you must, but this is my last post on the acess topic.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are not correct. Do not take my word for it read the statute and call Wyoming Fish and Wildlife.

Trespass at your own risk. And no, you do not know more than residents or professionals in the Wyou Fish and Wildlife.

No, one cannot trespass on private property to acess public. If one does he is in violation of the statute I cited. That is not BS.

Your own words are no Law is on the books that allows the acess you claim. I do not care so much as why a Law is the way it is, rather what is the law before engaging in an activity.

Call me a liar your an idiot if you must, but this is my last post on the acess topic.

***I didn't call you a liar and I know what the friggin statute says! Like I said, I've hunted out there since 1992, haven't missed a season out there since 1998, and most years since I retired in 2002 I've spent at least two months out there. You said yourself that you've never even been out there and everything you've stated is just stuff you found on the internet. In case you don't know it, not everything you read on the net is factual or accurate. I said that you don't know what you're talking about and you still don't, not that you're a liar. I did 30+ years in LE and one of the GWs out there is a good friend, so I do know what's going on in the G&F Sir, especially the corner jumping status and how Tom was told to handle it by not doing anything. Cripes, I've even been in the Washakie County Prosecutor's Office about it and he won't touch it with a 10' pole. What the G&F puts in their brochure is just for politics and to look good and not what they are actually doing on corner jumping. Also, you are not even stepping on private property when you corner jump if the corner has a survey stake. I'm glad you're finished posting on this because you're referring to a completely different situation that the statute you mentioned involves. The fact is that what we're talking about only involves hunting or fishing and that's why the Judge ruled in favor of the hunter in Albany County and why you're wrong because the guy corner jumped, didn't step on any private property doing it, and he didn't have any intent to trespass. That final part that he didn't have any intent to violate the law was actually why the Judge ruled in his favor and is exactly why the County Prosecutor won't touch it.

Oh antelope, they are so much fun to hunt. One does not have to get up early. One does not have to sit still or be quiet One merely looks for white spots in a usually brown environment and starts a stalk.

I would research how to be able to hunt one as quickly as possible. waiting 4 years for preference points seems strange to me. I want to hunt now. Wyo has lots of antelope but I am sure there are other options.

Also if you have never gone antelope hunting before don't spend thousands of $'s for a high dollar goat hunt. Antelope are just plain fun to hunt don't complicate it with a high dollar hunt. That is just my option of course.

Antelope, hunting with friends is more like pheasant hunting than other big game hunting. I could imagine giving my buddy a great deal of grief as they missed that 200+ yrd shot knowing they will get another later in the hunt.

To Summarize if I were going on an antelope hunt with a couple friends I would have the mind set of "pheasant hunt." They are fun to hunt with friends.

WY is a great place to chase pronghorns. i go every other year on the even years for a long weekend, usually a week or two into season.

I generally hunt area 38, but have hunted other nearby units. we are always into goats.

look at the maps, see if there are accessible roads that intersect public land. there ya go, hunt that

be prepared to walk. i hunt extremely pressured areas and still kill goats out from under all the truck hunters, because we're willing to walk in a mile or two from the back side of where the truck folks drive in and push the goats to us.

there are also little hidden areas if you're willing to get out of the truck and walk. something like a steep hill near a road, but there may be a big flat behind it. antelope hunters will not climb it to see whats behind it; so we end up with a few areas of several square miles to ourselves by doing this.

take a pack frame and you can easily haul out a gutted goat whole. it's freaking windy out there, so know what your gun does in a cross wind. we've taken them from 70 to 380 yards, so distances vary.

If you go hunt in the eastern part of the state, look into the walk in hunting areas.

Don't be afraid to knock on doors to ask permission. The ranchers don't care for antelope.

Montana is just as good for goats
And corner jumping is technically no mans land here as well
Kinda in limbo and politician don’t wanna address it being beholden to private landowners
I have no idea why
Technically nobody owns air above the ground as long as you don’t touch it is my opinion
Any lawyers with ideas about this?
Just looking for simple opinion

Technically and traditionally at English Common Law a person who held property in fee owned from heaven to hell within the boundaries of the fee hold.

I have no idea how Montana has modified or modernized this traditional rule. Being from E. Ky my practice with such questions has focused on the subsurface and minerals.

I do not see how one other than flying in one could corner hop and not touch the private land.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Technically and traditionally at English Common Law a person who held property in fee owned from heaven to hell within the boundaries of the fee hold.

I have no idea how Montana has modified or modernized this traditional rule. Being from E. Ky my practice with such questions has focused on the subsurface and minerals.

I do not see how one other than flying in one could corner hop and not touch the private land.

Montana has neither modified not modernized this. It is illegal to corner-hop.

Here in Region 7, game wardens don't go out of their way to pursue this particular violation in my experience. But if a landowner makes a complaint, it will be charged and has been prosecuted same as any other trespassing.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Technically and traditionally at English Common Law a person who held property in fee owned from heaven to hell within the boundaries of the fee hold.

I have no idea how Montana has modified or modernized this traditional rule. Being from E. Ky my practice with such questions has focused on the subsurface and minerals.

I do not see how one other than flying in one could corner hop and not touch the private land.

Maybe I was wrong since you said you wouldn't make any more comments on this access situation, but here you are again! Your last sentence makes no sense at all because if there is a metal pin marking a corner like we're talking about it's very simple to step over it from one public section to the other public section without touching the private land UNLESS maybe you're drunk, LOL!!!

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Montana is just as good for goats
And corner jumping is technically no mans land here as well
Kinda in limbo and politician don’t wanna address it being beholden to private landowners
I have no idea why
Technically nobody owns air above the ground as long as you don’t touch it is my opinion
Any lawyers with ideas about this?
Just looking for simple opinion

Randy Newberg did a deal where they helicoptered into a big BLM or forest service land locked property in Montana. I don't know what the outome was, as I didn't watch the show.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Technically and traditionally at English Common Law a person who held property in fee owned from heaven to hell within the boundaries of the fee hold.

I have no idea how Montana has modified or modernized this traditional rule. Being from E. Ky my practice with such questions has focused on the subsurface and minerals.

I do not see how one other than flying in one could corner hop and not touch the private land.

Maybe I was wrong since you said you wouldn't make any more comments on this access situation, but here you are again! Your last sentence makes no sense at all because if there is a metal pin marking a corner like we're talking about it's very simple to step over it from one public section to the other public section without touching the private land UNLESS maybe you're drunk, LOL!!!

I was responding to a friend not you. I am not the one telling folks to trespass. I have an extra unnecessary one in that sentence, but everyone but you seems to follow it just fine.